God particle is 'found': Scientists at Cern expected to announce on Wednesday Higgs boson particle

reply to post by Jordan River


Well.. that's a pretty dumb analogy.

There are really no comparisons to be made between the two. Why on Earth would your mind even go there.
I don't even know what the implication is.. were you joking or being prejudiced?

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Originally posted by Jordan River

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

Agnosticism for the win.

Thats like saying bisexual win, when compared to all other sexualities

Do you have a problem with bisexuals? Oh, that's right: you worship a god who hates all forms of love that aren't centered on himself.

Agnosticism is the belief that the existence of a god doesn't matter. It's a very healthy perspective, considering your beloved god hasn't stepped in on behalf of innocent civilians in CENTURIES. Where was he on 9/11, eh? Exactly. We've all agreed that your god has no place in this thread, that the coinage "God particle" was a mentally handicapped term, and that speculating on the religious implications has done no good. Keep your faith out of this.

An Easily Digestable Documentary On The Basics

The Hunt for Higgs

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My only regret is that I have but one star to give for that post.

Frankly, the last few pages have me so discouraged, I am seriously considering logging out here and losing my password.

This is a monumental achievement in theoretical physics and mathematics, and here at ATS -- where our motto is "deny ignorance" we are (for the most part) chasing rainbows and unicorns over it.

I am Jack's bitter disillusionment.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by DARREN1976

 

Why does it matter who paid for it? This was clearly the only way such research could be conducted...the only other solution would be to say, "Stop looking for these answers." And if that's your sentiment, I have one question for you:

WTH?

Not really bothered who paid for it, just curious I guess, like to have all the facts in everything that I look at, all knowledge is good knowledge as they say..... do you know who had a hand in funding it?

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by DARREN1976
Errr.... this is kind of why they named it the God Particle in the first place, as it's apparently the glue that holds everything together, and if their theories are correct, it's fundamental in making everything else work, with regards to speed, energy, the effect of gravity on objects with mass...... and its all due to it supposedly giving evreything else its mass..

Higgs field does NOT "hold everything together". It is responsible for the electroweak symmetry breaking, it gives mass to gaguge bosons and other particles, but how it all relates to gravity is not clear at all at this point.

Look up "Higgs Mechanism" on Wikipedia.

I know the theorised mechanism of the Higgs Bosun, my bad though, was a bad choice of words on my part,I know its gluons that do that job, was just trying to simplify things to others in explaining the job it does above all others on a quantum level, some peope need things simplified, but thanks for the correction, like I said, entirely my fault, I tend to try and over simplify things sometimes and choose the wrong phrase or words to try and explain things in laymens terms....
PEACE!!!

Originally posted by The GameKeeper
If this doesnt tell you we are living in the end times I dont if anything will.. Its quite unfortunate the GOD particle is in the hands of the wrong people, whose only desire is to create the ANTI God Particle. Wake up people.

Anti god particle? How about SATAN particle.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by reject
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

Ok, guys. Now for the $65K dollar question: Does this discovery have any bearing on nuclear fusion research?

No.

Anything's possible, but right now there is no way we can actually manipulate either strong, weak or electromagnetic fields of the particles involved. If we could, this would be way bigger than the Higgs.

It could have an effect as it affects the Standard Model.

Neutrinos Oscillations from Nuclear Reactors are being researched with regards to MASS and decay rates. The Higgs research could shed light on Neutrino research which is also part of the comprehension of Nuclear Fusion and the associated research of.

The Higgs research could include finding the missing pieces for determining various theoretical models and their practical applications, including the mass and decay of Neutrinos.

en.wikipedia.org...

Neutrino oscillation is a quantum mechanical phenomenon predicted by Bruno Pontecorvo[1] whereby a neutrino created with a specific lepton flavor (electron, muon or tau) can later be measured to have a different flavor. The probability of measuring a particular flavor for a neutrino varies periodically as it propagates. Neutrino oscillation is of theoretical and experimental interest since observation of the phenomenon implies that the neutrino has a non-zero mass, which is not part of the original Standard Model of particle physics.

Many experiments have searched for oscillation of electron anti-neutrinos produced at nuclear reactors. The KamLAND experiment, started in 2002, has made a high precision observation of reactor neutrino oscillation. Neutrinos produced in nuclear reactors have energies similar to solar neutrinos, a few MeV. The baselines of these experiments have ranged from tens of meters to over 100 km.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Sun is a natural nuclear fusion reactor, powered by a proton–proton chain reaction which converts four hydrogen nuclei (protons) into helium, neutrinos, positrons and energy. The excess energy is released as gamma rays and as kinetic energy of the particles and as neutrinos — which travel from the Sun's core to Earth without any appreciable absorption by the Sun's outer layers.

As neutrino detectors became sensitive enough to measure the flow of neutrinos from the Sun, it became clear that the number detected was lower than that predicted by models of the solar interior. In various experiments, the number of detected neutrinos was between one third and one half of the predicted number. This came to be known as the solar neutrino problem.

The solar neutrino problem was a major discrepancy between measurements of the numbers of neutrinos flowing through the Earth and theoretical models of the solar interior, lasting from the mid-1960s to about 2002. The discrepancy has since been resolved by new understanding of neutrino physics, requiring a modification of the Standard Model of particle physics – specifically, neutrino oscillation. Essentially, as neutrinos have mass, they can change from the type that had been expected to be produced in the Sun's interior into two types that would not be caught by the detectors in use at the time.

www.physics.upenn.edu...

The most likely mechanism for producing this transformation requires that neutrinos have small, but non-zero mass. This is an indication of exciting new physics beyond the Standard Model of elementary particle physics. Although the mass of the neutrinos is tiny, the total mass of all the neutrinos in the universe is comparable to that of all the visible stars.

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haha don't you know he's the ''only one that can save the day''? NOT

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When the populus is happily gorging on their forcefed dreamscape pills is there anything else to expect?

It's like making Fois Gras.

Originally posted by Kryom

Originally posted by The GameKeeper
If this doesnt tell you we are living in the end times I dont if anything will.. Its quite unfortunate the GOD particle is in the hands of the wrong people, whose only desire is to create the ANTI God Particle. Wake up people.

Anti god particle? How about SATAN particle.

I guess he refers to anti-mater.

So, now it is god's particle, even it is not really that, just play of the words...

reply to post by theabsolutetruth


Thanks for the reply, but what does it have to do with nuclear fusion, which was being discussed in my post?

reply to post by buddhasystem


Nuclear Fusion RESEARCH was the original question. Developments in the Standard Model COULD influence Nuclear Fusion RESEARCH as it utilises the Standard Model.

www.physics.upenn.edu...

Throughout my career, I have been fascinated by the mystery of mass - what is the missing piece that gives mass to the fundamental particles of the universe? I started by performing one of the first measurements of the W boson mass with the ALEPH experiment at CERN. The W boson carries the weak nuclear force, esssential for the nuclear fusion reactions that power stars, and was discovered in 1983 at CERN. The W boson acquires mass in the standard model of particle physics via the hypothetical, much-hunted but exceedingly elusive, Higgs boson. Interpretation of improved measurements of the W boson mass in the context of the standard model of particle physics leads to a better constraint on the unknown mass of the as-yet-undiscovered Higgs boson - and a better idea of where and how to search for it.

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the 2nd link from the original poster or right below the original post, there is a comments section on that page and it seems the majority of people think it will disprove religion, IDK how i feel about it, but if its already being said who knows

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But what can they do with this particle, I mean can they control it ?. So they gonna do more tests .. And what was that fuzz about this could trigger mini black holes. has this dangerous threat being eliminated..?

reply to post by 0bserver1


All they want to do is know for a FACT what particles exist, what particles don't exist, and what their places are in the atomic model and the subatomic forces that govern the atomic physics.

They just want to be able to write down, "This is this and this does this," and know for a FACT that it's true. It gives them something to think about while spanking their monkey.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


while part of what you said is true,,,,, you must realize,,,,, that scientests tests,, and subsequent disoveries,, and knowledge,,, lead to all scientific and technological breakthroughs,,,, scientests embarked on labeling the periodic table of elements,,,, now those elements are known to be used in certain and specific things,,, when you know how something works and what it is and how to create it,,,, you can control it,,, and use it,,,

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How exactly do you propose to create technology out of a particle that hasn't even been seen, let alone mastered?

reply to post by theabsolutetruth


you posted quite a bit of info on neutrino oscillations, and while it's a fascinating subject and certainly tied to Standard Model, I don't see immediate connection to nuclear fusion. And just let me restate this: it's a pure speculation that advances and refinements in Standard Model can help advance nuclear fusion. It was pursued even before we discovered W and Z, and other fascinating stuff, but it didn't help any.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Jordan River

 

Well.. that's a pretty dumb analogy.

There are really no comparisons to be made between the two. Why on Earth would your mind even go there.
I don't even know what the implication is.. were you joking or being prejudiced?

edit on 3-7-2012 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

Its a brilliant one if you think about it, its playing both sides and being safe. so you cannot lose, thats agnosticism