New Constitution!

Originally posted by Lannister
I refuse to even read this thread. If you don't like our constitution go live in Communist China.

It might be pointless to respond to this if you aren't reading the thread, but I'll try anyway:

Though I don't agree with everything the OP wants, he/she is not suggesting to replace the US government with some entirely alien system or with a communist government. They are suggesting what amounts to tweaks to a system they feel isn't working as well as it could or should, but it's still a representative democracy based on the same principles the current government is founded upon. It's actually a far less radical change than moving from the Articles of Confederation to the current U.S. Constitution, both documents created by our Founding Fathers.

If you HAD read the thread, you would know that. It's a not a crazy idea at all. Thomas Jefferson himself even believed that every generation or so it would probably be necessary to create a new Constitution for the country. I believe he said every 19 years, specifically (why 19, I'm not sure but that's apparently what he said).

reply to post by deadeyedick


You dont need a new Constitution for these things thankfully and can be implemented in the current framework.

I believe (to your point about term limits ) that the easiest way to take care of these lifer bum politicians is re-draw the districts so that everyone has equal say in who they elect to congress. This gerrymandering of districts to either keep one in office or oust another is not and has not been giving voice to the people.

Ever wonder why Charlie Rangel keeps getting elected despite being such a lying tax dodging, tax cheating, race baiting fraud? Gerrymandering..

reply to post by 11235813213455


That is why I proposed one representative per county. No gerrymandering, no cutting out districts for racial reasons, just use the political subdivisions we already have. Sure, some folks would not be as well represented as others. And then there is Disneyworld. It is a county in itself and it has no elected government. It is run by a company only and has no full time residents. It's not the perfect solution, but it would go a long way to solve the problem. With 3,300 members it would awfully hard to bribe enough members to influence a law. It fits the old maxim "the solution to pollution is dilution."

If we could get our government to abide by the Constitution we have, there would be no problems. There are some changes that could and probably should be made, and maybe with time that will happen. To write a new Constitution would open the doors for all sorts of new abuses since it would be those in power that get the most say, and we know how much we can trust them to protect our rights.

I might hazard to add to that you should not be allowed to vote unless you are a current property owner or are in he process of being a property owner someday ( have a mortgage). Until then I dont believe you have enough skin in the game to be calling the shots for others via a vote.


Edited to add...

But then again I guess they could always take your right to vote away by eminent domain. Check and mate for them.

Originally posted by LifeInDeath

Originally posted by Lannister
I refuse to even read this thread. If you don't like our constitution go live in Communist China.

It might be pointless to respond to this if you aren't reading the thread, but I'll try anyway:

Though I don't agree with everything the OP wants, he/she is not suggesting to replace the US government with some entirely alien system or with a communist government. They are suggesting what amounts to tweaks to a system they feel isn't working as well as it could or should, but it's still a representative democracy based on the same principles the current government is founded upon. It's actually a far less radical change than moving from the Articles of Confederation to the current U.S. Constitution, both documents created by our Founding Fathers.

If you HAD read the thread, you would know that. It's a not a crazy idea at all. Thomas Jefferson himself even believed that every generation or so it would probably be necessary to create a new Constitution for the country. I believe he said every 19 years, specifically (why 19, I'm not sure but that's apparently what he said).

The problems we have in this country aren't caused by our constitution and the solution is not to burn it and write a new one. The problems stem from out of control bankers, corporations and wallstreet being able to run around without restriction while the average citizen gets their feet tied down to the system. Throw the criminals in prison. The law of the land (constitution) already not only warns of the problems we face, but explains exactly how to fix it. Throw the scum in prison.

People we are not at war with radical muslims in the middle east. No, we are at war with a bunch of greedy old men that want your land, your money, and to control of every aspect of your life. It's time to wake up and see this for what it is; a take over of the united states government from the top down by criminals and out of control greed. Impeach their puppets and prosecute them directly.

Thomas Jefferson may have been right on a lot of key issues, and may even be right in saying that the constitution does need to be revised when it seems that it's not working anymore, but as I said the constitution isn't the problem because the constitution still works - it's the only reason we still have any sense of liberty in this country.

reply to post by Ookie


No, we don't need a new constitution. We need to stop rewriting the old one. Half of our amendments contradict the original draft, for the specific purpose of creating custom loopholes in a contract that was never intended to have loopholes. That's why we're in so much trouble.

I think I read the OP’s rewrite in Behold a Pale Horse…

Sounds like Agenda 21 also...

We need to actually follow the constitution and get rid of everything that’s unconstitutional; so at least 75% of our ‘laws’ will go bye-bye…

Why do you let the freakin presidrnt appoint judges?
We dont need a new constitution. We need to enforce the old one and make a few ammendments abouy career politicians

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Ok...this solves absolutely nothing at all. Why not focus on some of the REAL issues surrounding our criminal government? Most of your changes simply have to do with stripping the Senate of power. Here are some ACTUAL problems to address.

1. Lobbying of all kinds needs to be outlawed. Basic Game Theory dictates that the only reason an organization would pay money OR a politician accept it is to subvert the will of the people. Lobbying needs to become treason and ought to be punishable by death.

2. Immediate eradication of all standing Executive Orders with the provision that any future use during times of peace is also tantamount to treason.

3. All branches of the government must disclose 100% of their spending, budgets, and finances in a completely free and open manner in print and digitally. Digital databases must be downloadable in their entirety in a single click.

4. "freedom of the press" is expanded to include modern media such as the internet, video, audio, etc.

5. The Bill of Rights picks up a citizens "right to privacy" in which any attempt at surveillance, espionage, monitoring, or the unauthorized use of consumer data is also considered treason.

6. The House and Senate are limited to a maximum of two, four year terms and may not take any private appointments in the private sector in between those two terms.

7. Congressional reps may not invest or hold stocks or other securities in private companies while they are in office and instead will be bonused upon the aggregated performance of the US-BASED private sector.

8. The presidency shall be limited to a single 6 yr term.

9. The second Amendment is revised to specifically cite that the people have the right to bare rifles, shotguns, and pistols of all kinds as well as conventional explosives, but that this right doesn't extend to other weapons such as biological and chemical agents, nuclear devices, directed energy weapons, or space-based weapons.

10. The members of all local, state, and federal "police" forces must be elected.

11. There will at no time be more prison space (either occupied or unoccupied) than what is necessary to incarcerate 1% of the population.

12. The US government will not at any time consider "terrorists" to be engaged in acts of war, and the term "war" is defined as pertaining only to being in relation to foreign governments.

13. No corporation which does business wholly, or in part on US soil may be allowed to raise a privately funded military.

14. End the Fed, and execute the traitors for their crimes against humanity during the 20th first part of the 21st century. All assets from the primary shareholders of the federal reserve will be seized and is to be used for rebuilding the country.

15. A "Constitutional Patent" is established in which inventors and creators of intellectual property may choose to release their works in order for the betterment of humanity. Such patents are considered to be in the public domain and may not be bought, sold, or monopolized.

16. The government shall have no dominion over issues regarding human reproduction or sexual activity between consenting adults. Period.

17. The freedom OF religious expression is expanded to include freedom FROM religious evangelism and religious groups/entities are taxed. (Preferably frequently and often).

18. ??

19. ???

...now THAT'S a start. What the hell good is it to "crack down" on the Senate if you are still going to allow for legalized bribery and theocratic fascism?

Originally posted by 11235813213455
I might hazard to add to that you should not be allowed to vote unless you are a current property owner or are in he process of being a property owner someday ( have a mortgage). Until then I dont believe you have enough skin in the game to be calling the shots for others via a vote.

That is by far the most ignorant comment I have ever heard in my life. Remember...the guy with a summer house in the Hampton's and ski chalet in Aspen thinks YOU don't have enough "skin in the game" to participate in our democratic republic.

Likewise...is just owning property enough to have "skin in the game"? A retiree who rents a condo for convenience and has $10 million bucks in the stock market has a lot more "skin in the game" than Hillbilly Joe w/ his ramshackle cabin in the bayou.

What about intellectual "property?" A vehicle is considered personal property.

You see where this goes? It's a dumb idea...that why we got rid of the idea a long time ago.

People really have too much free time...

This brings me to a question - if constitution should be changed, what part you think should change first?

IMHO gun right should be changed, but that would be huge new topic (and it was many already)....

reply to post by milominderbinder


Listen, I'll forgive you this time because you didnt read my entire post. I was obviously being flippant.

Little advise.....You should control your knee-jerk instincts and actually digest what you read before you respond.

Originally posted by 11235813213455
I might hazard to add to that you should not be allowed to vote unless you are a current property owner or are in he process of being a property owner someday ( have a mortgage). Until then I dont believe you have enough skin in the game to be calling the shots for others via a vote.


Edited to add...

But then again I guess they could always take your right to vote away by eminent domain. Check and mate for them.

edit on 2-7-2012 by 11235813213455 because: (no reason given)

Wow i had that idea a couple years ago!
Way to think outside the box.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
We don't need a new Constitution.

We just need more people to enforce it and to stop ignoring it when it interferes with their interests.

It was meant to limit government, not enable government to be more powerful.

Yup. And another problem is that no matter what is set forth in any constitution there will always be those that will manipulate it to their benefit.

Originally posted by 11235813213455
reply to post by milominderbinder

 

Listen, I'll forgive you this time because you didnt read my entire post. I was obviously being flippant.

Little advise.....You should control your knee-jerk instincts and actually digest what you read before you respond.

Ummm...there was no apparent "flippancy" at all....just a whole lot of not thinking real hard.

Also a little advice:

1. The proper spelling is "advice"...not "advise".

2. All "instincts" are inherently "knee-jerk"...that's what makes them "instincts". I believe the proper adage you are looking for is "knee-jerk reaction".

No need to be sour just because you didn't think before you posted.

Originally posted by borracho
If we could get our government to abide by the Constitution we have, there would be no problems. There are some changes that could and probably should be made, and maybe with time that will happen. To write a new Constitution would open the doors for all sorts of new abuses since it would be those in power that get the most say, and we know how much we can trust them to protect our rights.

Unfortunately, you are correct.

The trick is how do you enforce a document which in many (but not all) ways does not adequately describe the world around us?

reply to post by milominderbinder



At least you got through the whole post this time. I see progress!

What it really sounds like to me is youre a bit cranky because you need a diapy change. Did you get the humor in that?

Please feel free to spell check this too. abgDuohc

Originally posted by 11235813213455
reply to post by milominderbinder

 

At least you got through the whole post this time. I see progress!

What it really sounds like to me is youre a bit cranky because you need a diapy change. Did you get the humor in that?

Please feel free to spell check this too. abgDuohc

edit on 2-7-2012 by 11235813213455 because: (no reason given)

...or perhaps I'm just a lot more intelligent than you are.

reply to post by milominderbinder


You know responding to you at this point is like piling more crap on a crap hill that already has too much crap on it.

More intelligent than me? Are you kidding me? Its like I'm talking to a 6th grader now because your tossing schoolyard insults. For what? A misunderstanding on your part that you couldnt admit to?

Hey, its ok guy we all get egg on our face from time to time you just gotta put on your big boy britches and chalk it up to experience.