The Creator was a......?

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by Romekje
reply to post by Akragon

 

I must say you sound pretty demeaning about this.

Did you look into it at all before commenting?

Demeaning?

How do you figure?

You are demeaning. You dismiss my ideas without having done any research into them. That is not just demeaning but arrogant. You make little statements that you think can disprove my theory but inadvertently prove you've not investigated the theory.

Alright... show your evidence that there is any volcanoes in that area... While you're at it... show some evidence of any volcanic material around Mt.Sinai...

I don't need to disprove anything... the burden of proof lies with the person that makes the claim...

Which Mount Sinai? The incorrectly sited one, the speculated ones or the real one no-one can locate for certain?

You will bring them in and plant them on the mountain of your inheritance--the place, O LORD, you made for your dwelling, the sanctuary, O Lord, your hands established. Exodus 15:17

Volcano.

reply to post by TheFogHorn


Very interesting... you just might be on to something...

I would say Jebel el-Lawz is the place... now is there evidence of Volcanic activity in that area?

This idea might actually be logical if the evidence exists...

So you have no interest in finding out what my extensive theory entails but are very interested in belittling it every time I post something about it?

Im not trying to belittle you... im a healthy skeptic when it comes to peoples intrupretations of bibical matters...

lets just say i have a certian way of posting which happens to offend the "sensitive" types...

Im good with that...

reply to post by Akragon


The "proof" (evidence) is in the link i posted.
And in the links posted by the OP aswell.

"I don't know you so why should i read your blog?"
What kind of attitude is that? Why join the thread to begin with then?

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

Very interesting... you just might be on to something...

I would say Jebel el-Lawz is the place... now is there evidence of Volcanic activity in that area?

This idea might actually be logical if the evidence exists...

So you have no interest in finding out what my extensive theory entails but are very interested in belittling it every time I post something about it?

Im not trying to belittle you... lets just say i have a certian way of posting which happens to offend the "sensitive" types...

Im good with that...

edit on 30-6-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)

I'm not sensitive but annoyed with people who have very firm opinions about things they proudly say they have no interest in understanding. I am pleased to see you are now doing some research but saddened that it seems clear you totally ignored my previous posts made days ago regarding Mt Sinai. Was Pussy having a little nap then? Do I have to say it all again?? Grrrrr!

Please go through my blog. I'm not after hits to my blog, as some have suggested. It's just that all my research findings are documented there and there's nowhere else that contains the information. How about you spend a day or two going through it and then respond?

Originally posted by TheFogHorn
reply to post by Akragon

 

I know I can convince people because it convinced me.

I aim to convert people away from the worship of imaginery volcano gods. Did you not understand that? Maybe my posts are not fool proof.

Imaginary volcano Gods? That's unaccecptible, I agree.

In the NIV Achaeological Study Bible, Mount Sinai is said to be a volcano.
On page 96 of The Urantia Book Yahweh is said to be just one of hundreds of nature gods but with a volcano as its deity.
In 'Moses and Monotheism' by Sigmund Freud, Yahweh is said to be a volcano god.
In 'Mount Sinai a Volcano' by Charles beke, Mount Sinai is said to be a volcano.
In 'The Invention of God' by Bill Lauritzen, the role of volcanoes is highlighted in the establishment of 'god'.
In 'Mythology's Last Gods', William R.Harwood describes Yahweh as a volcano god.
In 'The Christ Conspiracy', Acharya S describes Yahweh as a volcano god.
In 'The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets by Barbara Walker, Yahweh is said to have been a volcano god.
In 'The Masks of God Volume 3 Occidental Mythology' by Joseph Campell, Yahweh is described as an Arabian volcano god.
In 'The Jews: Story of a People' by Howard Fast, Yahweh was described as a volcano.
In 'Mass Psychology', Sigmund Freud says Yahwey was a volcano god.
In 'Atheism in Christianity' by Ernst Block, Yahweh was said to be a volcano god.
In 'The Oxford Companion to the Bible' by M.Coogan and B.Metzger, Yahweh is described as a volcano god.
In 'Psychoanalysis and Religios Experience' by W.W.Meissner, Yahweh is described as a volcano god.
In 'All About Adam and Eve' by Robert Gillooly, Yahweh is described as a volcano god.
In 'The Genesis of Misconception' by Paul John, Yahweh is described as a volcano god.
In 'The Autobiography of God' by William Harwood, Yahweh is described as an extinct volcano god.
In 'Adieu to God' by Michael Power, Yahweh is described as originating from a volcano god.
In 'Freud and Moses' by Emauel Rice, Yahweh is described as a volcano god.
In 'Moses the Egyptian' by Jan Assman, Yahweh is described as a volcanic demon.
In 'Eschatology in the old Testament' by Donald E. Gowan, Yahweh is described as a volcano or storm god.
In 'Water for a thirsty land' by H.Gunkel and K.C.Hanson, Yahweh is described as a volcanic deity.
In 'The Divine Invasion' by Philip Dick, Yahweh is described as probably a volcanic deity.

reply to post by TheFogHorn

Why join the thread to begin with then?

To find out what "the creator" was in your opinion...

By the way, the God of the OT was not the creator... That much is obvious.

I'm not sensitive but annoyed with people who have very firm opinions about things they proudly say they have no interest in understanding.

Which returns me to my original statement... i don't see the point...

IF the people from the OT actually did worship a volcano... it wouldn't change who or what God is...

Just another in the long list of false Gods...

I am pleased to see you are now doing some research but saddened that it seems clear you totally ignored my previous posts made days ago regarding Mt Sinai. Was Pussy having a little nap then? Do I have to say it all again?? Grrrrr!

I've read all your threads... this is the only one i've been interested in replying to...

If the God of the OT was a volcano... does that mean God doesn't exist?

Please go through my blog. I'm not after hits to my blog, as some have suggested. It's just that all my research findings are documented there and there's nowhere else that contains the information. How about you spend a day or two going through it and then respond?

The issue is you're trying to prove something to me that i already know... no need to go into detail and read days and days worth of information to come to the same conclusion... that being the OT God was not God

Perhaps you might take a look at my thread... You'll see where im comming from

Jesus vs OT God

reply to post by TheFogHorn

The Creator was a......?

Fart.
That's right, the creator was a fart. There is hydrogen in the gas we pass, and hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. That would explain the Big Bang. And, just as a fart dissipates as it spreads itself thinner and thinner, so too will our universe.

Now, just who was the farter, I have NO idea.

reply to post by Akragon


I asked you to read all my blog posts and not all my forum threads. Then you would have all the answers to your questions regarding Mt Sinai. etc.

If you want to continue believing in some almighty god despite learning that the supposedly 'one true god', the omnipotent/omnipresent god of our childhood brain washing does not exist (who would continue to believe in him on realising the volcano connection??) then so be it. Maybe eventually your 'one true god' will also be debunked and then a few people will believe in a bigger and better one true god....but even he will get debunked....leaving just a few people to then believe in the actual genuine real and ultimate one true god.....but then even he will get denbunked.

I'm sure I'll be dead by the time the whole god concept gets buried but......

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

The Creator was a......?

Fart.
That's right, the creator was a fart. There is hydrogen in the gas we pass, and hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. That would explain the Big Bang. And, just as a fart dissipates as it spreads itself thinner and thinner, so too will our universe.

Now, just who was the farter, I have NO idea.

Not far(t) off actually given volcanoes produce a lot of gas, which explains the burning bush incident, angels (flaming gas leaks), the reddening of the Red Sea and the death of the first born in Egypt.

reply to post by TheFogHorn

If you want to continue believing in some almighty god despite learning that the supposedly 'one true god', the omnipotent/omnipresent god of our childhood brain washing does not exist (who would continue to believe in him on realising the volcano connection??) then so be it.

Unfortunatly your threads do not disprove the true God... Only the OT God as being a false God...

Maybe eventually your 'one true god' will also be debunked and then a few people will believe in a bigger and better one true god....but even he will get debunked....leaving just a few people to then believe in the actual genuine real and ultimate one true god.....but then even he will get denbunked.

Truth can not be "debunked"... no matter how hard one tries...

I'm sure I'll be dead by the time the whole god concept gets buried but

I have a strange feeling something will happen within our lifetimes that will "debunk" religion...

but one can't "debunk" what is...

The truth lies within, but few will see it... or feel it.

bit of a old one this immanuel velikovsky got his worlds in collision book banned in 1950 with a chapter on the origins of the word yahuwe .yip before the yids worshiped a volcano .the bible states that they worshiped the stars .i wonder how many volcanos a bunch of reptiled gened inbreeds would meet on a wander from georgia to egypt

Conclusions Jacobovici’s program is convincing at first blush with its 3-d simulations and bits and pieces of corroborating evidences from Greece as well as Egypt. And I sympathize with his desire to convince us that God manipulates our environment in order to do his miraculous works. I myself ascribe to this belief that a miracle to a believer looks like an explainable phenomena to an unbeliever. Otherwise, how could the Pharisees watch Jesus perform miracles and still call Him a blasphemer?

But I disconnect from Jacobovici’s desire to place all his eggs in one basket (vis-à-vis the Santorini eruption). The many details given in the Biblical account simply don’t line up with his theory geographically or chronologically. And while there are some thought provoking parts to this theory, it is after all a bringing together of various theories from various points in time to create a whole cloth. Many of the same points have been made by others, but it is Jacobovici that brought them all under one umbrella.

Jacobovici himself is Jewish and I believe it is his desire to bring glory to God while presenting an explanation for the Exodus that makes sense to the unbeliever. Perhaps we should be sure that this same theory makes sense to the believer first.

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What is with you and volcanoes? Srsly?

I understand what the people claiming that God in the OT was a Volcano are referring to, however, at the same time they unfortunately also ignore the descriptions that speaks against Yahweh having been a Volcano, such as the description of a very loud and long trumpet-like sound during the descent. Not to mention; whom would ever go up on a Volcano during its eruption, and yet fully understand the danger of doing so, as the Bible describes how the whole area before the descent had to be fenced of for security-reasons, as the many unlookers would perish if they got too close to the place for descension.

The God was a Volcano-theory, although thought provoking, have way too many holes to hold water if truly analysing it.

Could this Volcano theory be the reason why some people believe the earth will end in fire? Unlike the said flooding of last time.

So did Moses make up the commandments himself? Were they not allowed to have "Volcano" imagery due to it being the likeness of God?

It's a interesting theory but it doesn't explain our existence. I'm not truly an evolutionist or creationist since I think both are what we are experiencing.

So if I was to get technical I could say Mother Earth is God?

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

What is with you and volcanoes? Srsly?

This is the religion forum isn't it? Volcanoes spawned religions everywhere they erupted...including the Holy Land. Back then probably most of the world's population was worshipping one volcano god or another.

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
Could this Volcano theory be the reason why some people believe the earth will end in fire? Unlike the said flooding of last time.

So did Moses make up the commandments himself? Were they not allowed to have "Volcano" imagery due to it being the likeness of God?

It's a interesting theory but it doesn't explain our existence. I'm not truly an evolutionist or creationist since I think both are what we are experiencing.

So if I was to get technical I could say Mother Earth is God?

edit on 1-7-2012 by TheLieWeLive because: (no reason given)

A lot of people assume the fire could be prophetic and then assume we're all going to die a horrible death due to a meteor, etc. Sometimes the very obvious is very hard to spot.

Either Moses made them up or Moses never existed and he was made up to add a hero to the plot. Of course then ten commandments were made up. Have you ever heard of a volcano that could think like a man?

No...imagery was, I believe, due to not wanting to deify imagery. The ban on the name of god is very likely due to the original name giving the game away.

Discovering the Hawaiians worshipped Pele the volcano god had absolutely no affect on our understanding of our existence but it did on theirs. I'm sure Australian aborigines will not be the least bothered about it.

You can say mother earth is god if you like but I prefer to say there is no god, no thing in our heads recording everything we do, no entity tallying our good and bad points, no-one to meet us at the exit and nothing orchestrating or tweaking the weather or the goings on in the world. This world, I believe, is the result of a multitude of chains of events.

I couldn't resist entertaining an actually literal depiction of the text-piece in question, that some interpret as describing a Volcano, going by how the text describes this descent of Yahweh;

there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount. And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.