Its Been A Hell of a Ride Folks!

There will be highs and there will be lows. We're merely going through a peak right now. Records will be set like they've been in the past.

And then it will swing the other way and low records will be set a few years down the line, and hysterical, feral wolf children like the OP will claim a new Ice Age.

It's becoming more and more evident to me that people are with increasing frequency hoping for these doomsday scenarios rather than just predicting or warning about them.

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Fairly cool out here so far this year. Nothing out of the norm really. Expect that will change soon tho.

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Be aware of who this Guy McPherson is:
www.linkedin.com...

McPherson's latest chapter includes abandoning his tenured position as full professor at a major research university for ethical reasons. His story is described in his memoir, "Walking Away from Empire." You can read about that book and his many others at his website: guymcpherson.com...

So basically he's become "political" by focusing on speeches and books. He's abandoned educating because he thinks it's interlocked with empire and thus is impotent.

He could be right, but I'd rather trust the bulk of people, not the minority. He's minority.

IMHO, he's advocating destroying our current "empire". And this means, in my view, setting us back 100 years and ensuring that whatever destruction we permitted will prevent any recovery.

Life is a chance. It always has been. This man wants to deal in certainties, yet life is never certain. But we live in a free country, so if this man wants to abandon the "empire" then so be it.

It's odd that this mean gives me the impression of once being a liberal because, at the heart of his recent actions, he became conservative. By fearing climate apocalypse and defaulting and losing his faith in humanity and relying more on certainty (which is an impossibility and more like a christian than a scientist) he has turned full circle and transformed himself into a die-hard conservative.

He's also an idealist and he'll never be happy with what happens in this world since it'll never measure up to his expectations. The thing about this world is it's a mix of every ideal out there. It's incredibly shoddy and messy. Call it a messy miracle. In this way, an idealist simply cannot mix their own limited and inflexible world view with the one that's transpiring in real-time. Actual real world conditions almost always will be different than what any single person desires just because no single person has all the answers. By becoming an idealist you curse yourself to a life of disappointment and betrayal.

He's greatly underestimating the effectiveness and will of life to overcome adversity. This is why history is filled with predictions of doomsday that did not happen. Oh, sure, there were bad events like world war I/II and terrorism, there were plagues, there were famines, there were earthquakes and fires and every possible natural disaster, but humans in their ability to predict virtually never fail to be grossly in error. The reason this is so is because humans do not willingly admit that solving today's problems involves billions of interacting people and billions of billions of other various factors in nature both inside and outside the realm of this planet and that people are hopeless to predict this!

Individually, we're much the result of our ability to predict, but globally, we're the result of a magic. This makes us furious!!! Especially idealists! They fume like a burning volcanic vent. Soon they erupt and scatter their violent outrage across the world. To admit that we're unable to predict everything is to say we lack complete control over our destiny. And this conflicts with our belief in directed destiny. We teach our kids from a young age that everything is a choice, a responsibility. We're driven to believe that everything is predictable and thus controllable. For an idealist, these beliefs are fully realized and embraced. While it's true that everything eventually comes within our grasp to predict it, it's inevitable that we reach our limits of understanding. And this is where the conflict is born.

Originally posted by Azdraik
First, the earth at one point used to be a much hotter place.

The temperatures that have been documented from various ice core samples have shown a warming period followed with a drastic drop in temperatures.

So, who knows perhaps this is part of the normal cycle. Do I think it has anything to do with man made anything?

You be the judge.

edit on 30-6-2012 by Azdraik because: (no reason given)

doesn't matter if it's a normal cycle or not. people can't adapt fast enough and even though the earth will go on people may not make it.

Originally posted by earthart
I got this from survival monkey. What do you all think about it?? Just want my fellow atsers opinions as alot of you here i truly respect and appreciate. Thanks.
Earth Art

what is survival monkey? i'm not clear on where you got the info but i'm interested in reading further.


**nevermind. i googled. i'm not keen on info coming from survival boards.

Gotta agree. Things are weird in South Africa, too.

We had quite a few tornadoes hit last week Saturday, and just to add, it is Winter here.

But, what truly gets to me is the sun, or our "Winter" sun. It feels like my skin is over sensitive, like a burning sensation. At one stage while driving today it felt like my arms, neck and chest was burning. Not like having a suntan, but a weird burning sensation. I would say as if one is being microwaved slowly, for the lack of a better explanation.

We were up to 28 degrees Celsius at one stage, which is high for Winter here. Most of today was in the mid 20's with a sun that just burned through me. This is not Winter. One week we are freezing and the next it's better than Spring. Humidity has been higher 80's to mid 90's for most of the past month.

Last Winter we froze, it was my worst Winter if i have to count the cold days. This year, thus far, is unexplainable.

It's not over yet!

If you are tempted to feel fear, just remember God will not be complete without you.

Are you serious?

Are you suggesting that acres and acres and acres of land had never burned before due to out of control wildfires? Are you suggesting that areas of the world have never been drenched before due to excessive rainfall?

Last year parts of Mexico had burned for over a year straight, but I am sure this Colorado fire is something new

The tipping point sure does seem like it's coming sooner rather than later.

It's 106 here in ATL. The door knob is too hot to touch, a piece of the siding cracked and the moisture is boiling out of the wooden deck.

Climate change is real.

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No, the elect are the rich and the powerful who have the knowledge, and means, to escape. They will re-seed the planet when it is inhabitable for life again. Then they will pose as gods and start a new round of playing with us all. These cleansing events happen periodically, the last one was by a flood, and this one is said to end in fire. Whether it is related to global warming/climate change, or maybe nuclear war that wipes us out, its inevitable. History is full of civilisations rising and falling, why would ours be any different? We have become too complacent, and the entire system that props up our current civilisation is rotten to the core. It is only a matter of time before the rot gives way and it all collapses.

It sucks that all this could be avoided if we learned to work together and live in harmony with nature rather than consuming and destroying it. While I do not doubt that cyclical sun changes are affecting the earth, humans have contributed also. All the nuclear tests, there have been thousands, all the oil leaks, the actual removal of oil and replacing it with water, deforestation, and other things. There are too many things humans have done to say we have no impact. Hell, we can create artificial islands now. We can put probes on other planets. Our planet's night side glows, as if stars had fallen from heaven to earth. We have completely changed the face of the planet, so we definitely are contributing towards climate change. The point here is, if we did not negatively impact on the planet, and weaken its defenses such as the magnetic field, and the ozone layer, then its defenses would be able to protect us from the peak of this hot age.

I can bet that before the flood, people used their internet to throw ideas around, and their governments covered up the truth and secretly executed their escape plans in their arks, while everyone else drowned. I can also bet that human actions at the time, which according to stories, was great violence, contributed to conditions that caused the great flood. I call nuclear war, and the flood was some sort of cleansing mechanism.

I think a few of you are gonna give yourself a paranoia attack...

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I'm lead to believe the tipping point has already passed, but it's a little less of a concrete "point" that I see.

It's more like things are set in motion, and there's too much momentum to stop that "point" from being realized in the near future.

So the way I see it the tipping point is pretty much a done deal, and our time to act was truly decades ago. Too much work had to be done at too many levels to think it could be effectively dealt with today. If we truly tried to change our ways of thinking, perceiving, and interacting with the world on such short notice, a collapse would happen anyways.

So what's left to do?

It's Time To PARTY!!!

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I have a saying for you: Just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you. Stick your head in the sand by all means. Take a look at history. Take a look at research. Take a look at the signs. See for yourself.

Originally posted by Zecharia
Really pushing this global warming agenda .....

Sounds like a chemtrail cover story to me partner.

The part that got me laughing was that aerosols were helping to mitigate global temperatures

That was what they were saying in the 80's was CAUSING global warming due to the depletion of the ozone, now it's helping prevent it????

Make up your minds already...

Jaden

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One of the most ignorant posts I've read in a while...



You actually think that CFCs would interact with the atmosphere in the same way that barium, or aluminum would.

I got news for you. Different particles have different physical properties.

And people declared me a nutcase for believing we're heading into the next ice age.

No global warming, no human intervention, just earth's normal cycles.

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Underground party---dance until the world ends...

Originally posted by Azdraik
First, the earth at one point used to be a much hotter place.

The temperatures that have been documented from various ice core samples have shown a warming period followed with a drastic drop in temperatures.

And the earth was inhabitable for humans then, too.

Originally posted by Firefly_
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I have a saying for you: Just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get you. Stick your head in the sand by all means. Take a look at history. Take a look at research. Take a look at the signs. See for yourself.

Well... By all means... I dont give a furry rats ass who's out to get me I'm not hiding. Nobody's in control of me but me... So whats their to be paranoid about?

Just give me a new date not to worry about.

I heard 12/12 2012 was a good one.

Next?

AND? We're living longer, and we're being poisened more by EVERYONE that makes products to "try" and help us..

And YEP! More people are going to die in large volumes.

I want new dates to live through.

Next?