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just some pondering about "Jesus is God or the son of God!?"

if Jesus is God and human killed him so what a weak God he is and I do not worship it.

Quran:The women
"""[4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Maryam, the apostle of God; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Jesus) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
[4.158] Nay! God took him up to Himself; and God is Mighty, Wise."""
well this God is more powerfull and I do worship it.

if Jesus is really the son of God and it means that God is like human that needs sex and children. again what a needy weak God. I do not worship it.

Quran:family of Imran
"""[3.55] And when God said: O Jesus, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so l will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.
[3.56] Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.
[3.57] And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and God does not love the unjust.
[3.58] This We recite to you of the communications and the wise reminder.
[3.59] Surely the likeness of Jesus is with God as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.
[3.60] (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of the disputers."""
well this God is more powerfull and I do worship it.

reply to post by maes9


What's that got to do with this thread?

reply to post by TheFogHorn


well if this is true try not to call yourself and your neighbours muslim. neither you nor them are muslims. if Bush and Obama were christians and those racist zionists were jews, then you and your neighbours would call yourselves muslim!

Reminder: Very few threads on ATS are about other members. Keep to the topic at hand and not each other.

reply to post by TheFogHorn

Daily and nightly sexual harassment from ALL muslim men in the vacinity... requests for paid sex and extended following at a hare's breath away.

Once again you exaggerate, all Muslim men? We'll let me point out something....even if you were locked in a room full of convicted felons, not all of them would have any interest in you. I have plenty of Muslim neighbors and I've never had any problems with any of them.

Edit: Why should nuns be allowed to cover up and sighs allowed to wear turbans but Muslims not allowed to wear scarfs? We need equality, think outside the box. My advice to you would be to talk to a few Muslim women, they're human like all of us, not monsters or suicide bombers.

Originally posted by DeadSnow
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

Daily and nightly sexual harassment from ALL muslim men in the vacinity... requests for paid sex and extended following at a hare's breath away.

Once again you exaggerate, all Muslim men? We'll let me point out something....even if you were locked in a room full of convicted felons, not all of them would have any interest in you. I have plenty of Muslim neighbors and I've never had any problems with any of them.

Oh dear me. You still try to nit pick one little thing rather than accept my 100% honest personal account? How disgusting! You're a man right? And you're trying to tell me that I did not get sexually harassed in one way or another by every muslim man who crossed my path? Old men can stare at breasts, young men can give looks you wouldn't give a prostitute, etc. Men would cross the street and even change direction to catch up with me and follow me half a step behind me while breathing onto the back of my neck! Do you have any idea how terrifying that is for a teeanger? Now, back then I was quite a looker but I was wearing a hooded coat! Had I waltzed about with my hair showing and tumbling about my back I would most certainly have been raped. Instead I pulled the hood around my face as tight as I could and bent over like an old woman. I would walk like this and try to not panick until I reached the end of the ghetto, which I would recognise as signs of Westernism would appear...posters, shops, etc.

I find your total dismissal and even accusations of exagerations deeply worrying. Do you have a daughter, sister, aunt, mother? Would you be happy with them living in a muslim ghetto?

reply to post by TheFogHorn

Oh dear me. You still try to nit pick one little thing rather than accept my 100% honest personal account? How disgusting! You're a man right? And you're trying to tell me that I did not get sexually harassed in one way or another by every muslim man who crossed my path?

Well yes that's exactly what I'm trying to say, It would help if you told us where exactly you lived, I'm sure we have some members here that will be familiar with the area.

ld men can stare at breasts, young men can give looks you wouldn't give a prostitute, etc. Men would cross the street and even change direction to catch up with me and follow me half a step behind me while breathing onto the back of my neck! Do you have any idea how terrifying that is for a teeanger?

It would be a good idea to cover up don't you think?

Had I waltzed about with my hair showing and tumbling about my back I would most certainly have been raped.Instead I pulled the hood around my face as tight as I could and bent over like an old woman. I would walk like this and try to not panick until I reached the end of the ghetto, which I would recognise as signs of Westernism would appear...posters, shops, etc.

Really? surely this area had Caucasians, Asians and African Americans as well.

I find your total dismissal and even accusations of exagerations deeply worrying. Do you have a daughter, sister, aunt, mother? Would you be happy with them living in a muslim ghetto?

I wouldn't be happy with them living in any 'GHETTO', why include the word Muslim into this sentence?

reply to post by OpinionatedB


I apologize for not posting this yesterday, as was my original intent. Time simply got away from me.

I only had one scarf, a hideous yellow and green paisley monstrosity. Hideous, but I put it on. Then I drove an hour away to do my shopping in Winston-Salem (my hometown is very, very small and everyone knows me. They are used to seeing me dressed in different outfits for school. I thought I would get a more realistic reaction in an area I don't frequent).

Well, everyone stared. There were sidelong looks, whispered remarks, subtle laughter. The question, though....were they simply responding to the ugliness of my scarf? It was a gag gift and quite a good one, too.

To be safe, I stopped at Goodwill and purchased a plain navy scarf. Then I headed back to the mall.

There were FAR less stares now, so I think the scarf made a huge difference. I spent about an hour at the mall, ate at a restaurant, went to see a movie, then came home. During this time I did get a few stares, but no looks I would consider "unfriendly.". People smiled at me, but maybe that's because I always smile first. I felt very accepted and welcomed everywhere.

So that's my experience. I would like to remind everyone that I only wore the scarf one day, and the South is known for our hospitality. Just because I had a fine experience doesn't mean much in the larger scheme of things.

Later this week my family and I will be heading west for two weeks, just driving to wherever. I'll take the blue scarf with me and wear it in different places....perhaps a totally new experience for me to share. I'll report anything of interest.

Oh, and I've tossed the paisley scarf. It really was that bad.

reply to post by smyleegrl


You post your pic of you in it and I will post mine (I have more to lose Iam a fella )

Ohh man Iam into paisley at the moment I coulda made a cravat outa it

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

You post your pic of you in it and I will post mine

(I have more to lose Iam a fella

)

Ohh man Iam into paisley at the moment I coulda made a cravat outa it

edit on 1-7-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

I threw it away! I should have taken a pic, it really was that ugly. I think I even made a baby cry....

reply to post by smyleegrl


Oh well I still have my retro paisley Y-Fronts to keep my paisley fetish up

reply to post by smyleegrl


thats cool, I am glad it went well once you got a better scarf! ... I am curious, do you feel like you are treated more respectfully by men with or without the scarf?

reply to post by boymonkey74


WOOHOO!

now I know how to make a niqab out of a t-shirt! lol.....

Originally posted by OpinionatedB
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

thats cool, I am glad it went well once you got a better scarf!

... I am curious, do you feel like you are treated more respectfully by men with or without the scarf?

I honestly didn't notice. I tend to avoid men in general (I'm a rape survivor and strange men make me nervous). The theatre attendant was a young man, probably a teenager, and he was respectful. I think he was also bored.

I'm 38 years old, perhaps my days of attracting the opposite sex are gone. Perhaps they were never here to begin with . Anyway, I didn't notice. The next time I try it I'll pay more attention.

One thought...the "average" American male has learned to respect women with one exception. Women who dress provocatively are possibly considered prostitutes. Many rapists will blame the woman's attire for the attack. I think that's an excuse, but there you go.

reply to post by ollncasino


I would like you to find me that quote by Khomeini somewhere outside of a book that is called "Holy Terror. Inside the World of Islamic Terrorism" in full, with the Ayatollah himself speaking it. Because to be perfectly honest I have listened to almost every speech the man gave, and read just about every book he wrote, and have never heard him utter such a statement.

"In the logic of Imām Khomeinī, struggle, involvement in politics and taking over the government is not the objective."

If you want to read about jihad however, in the words of Khomeini, here is a book he wrote on the topic. The Greatest Jihad; Combat With the Self

reply to post by OpinionatedB


You have ignored my two comments and requests for input. I shall repeat myself....

You are acting in a way that is contrary to the norm in the country in which you live, going on what you have told us. That means that not only do we, as civilised and fair human beings, need to analyse the affects of headscarves on you and fellow muslims but we also need to analyse the affect of headscarf wearing on the female population as a whole. We need to make sure that not only are you happy but so are all other women.

One reason why you wearing a headscarf will most certainly have a detrimental effect on other women is, as I've now said two times, due to the pressure it puts onto non-muslim women (and more liberal minded muslim women and girls) to also wear the headscarf. This is due to Islam using its weight to mentally and sometimes physically force women to cover up when they would otherwise prefer to not cover up.

For example, there is a rape epidemic in Malmo in Sweden due to white blond girls and women walking muslims streets in muslims areas without headscarves and muslim men raping them due to them, in the mens' minds, asking for it. Additionally, some muslim men choose to rape women who do not wear the headscarf in order to frighten, en masse, other women into wearing one. This is a recognised method of the Islamification of non-Muslim lands and is very effective.

Even when rape is not the result, women should not be forced to cover their hair or their faces, or to wear baggy and floor length clothing, should they not wish to. This force, either physicological or actual, is unacceptable in a liberal society in which men are expected to behave with a minimum level of decency.

It is a fact that when women cover up more, men become less able to control themselves around uncovered women. This means that in highly civilised societies, men are able to restrain their neaderthol urges due to cultural conditioning, moral inhibitions and respect for the fairer sex....more often than not. When women are never exposed, the exposed woman becomes a red rag to a bull, so to speak.

I would firstly like you to respond to me, given you are living in a Western country and demanding I accept you. I would also like you to tell me what your thoughts are on the growing 'chalk and cheese' problem of non-muslim women suffering at the hands of muslim men in predominantly muslim areas in supposedly liberal lands. I would also like you to tell me whether or not you accept that Westernised men are, on the whole bettter able to restrain their basic urges due to constantly being surrounded by the fairer sex in partially exposing attire.

What is your honest answer to this problem? Should non-muslim either suffer increasing abuse from muslim men who will not or cannot accept the sight of normally dressed (as opposed to fully draped and covered) women or should non-muslim women start to cover up more and finally dress like muslim women in order to not stand out and be deemed 'asking for it' or be, as one cleric put it, 'meat left out for the dogs'?

p.s. I am not interested in what you claim is 'Islamic' or not. We both know, or should do, that your religion is half (Medina) nice and half (Mecca) nasty so you could claim Islam is very lovely and I could claim that loveliness was abrogated by the nasty and we could be here all day. I am mostly interested in the results of the religion....what actually happens....and as I've actually lived the results it's of no comfort to me what you have been led to believe your religion endorses. We know what happens in areas that become muslim.....non-muslims get shoved out and any straggler women get forced to wear muslim clothing. Let's stick to the reality.

reply to post by smyleegrl


oh I am sure you are still attractive even at 38!

But I am glad it went well. and thank you for taking me up and doing that, then sharing your experiences. That was awesome.

wearing scarf or a dignified clothing is not that odd if any can watch old films of USA then it would accept that media are deciding for us.