Full List of Obamacare Tax Hikes

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


To answer your question:

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However, the mandate has two parts: the requirement to have coverage and the penalty — er, tax — for not getting it. Why aren’t both considered a tax? ABC’s George Stephanopoulos did. When he directly challenged the president on the mandate-as-tax question, he said, “Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?” And if both the premium and the penalty are considered a tax, the mandate becomes the largest tax increase in U.S. history. The median U.S. family income is about $50,000. Family health coverage can easily run $20,000 a year — and rising quickly. In that scenario, the coverage mandate is essentially a 40 percent tax on that family, which is now required by law to ensure that every family member has qualifying coverage. And because the cost of the coverage will be similar even though incomes vary significantly, the lower the income the higher the effective tax rate — in essence, the most regressive tax in U.S. history, too.

So not only the largest tax increase in history, but also the most regressive tax in US history.

reply to post by MsAphrodite


From your article..............

Of course, the architects of Medicare were clear that FICA is a tax, while the architects of ObamaCare were clear that the mandate isn’t a tax. It was only after the constitutional challenges that the Justice Department had to go on a fishing expedition for justifications.

And NOW the Liar himself,explaining that its NOT a Tax !!



Not many Obama supports can admit hes a Liar,but they will admit they can care less if its a Tax, and are happy to support his Lies........




Obama supporters are disingenuous,if they can truly say, they back this man,for his HONESTY .

The nation cannot take much more of his polarizing lies. This will get repealed. It has to.

I think the largest tax hikes in the US are the TARP bailouts that we will all be paying for for ages to come (and started under bush by the way) and the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which were pointless (and also started under bush), while the cost in human life, human suffering, and uncounted (and missing and unaccounted for) billions if not trillions of dollars, surely exceed the healthcare taxes!

Wait for the campaign ads. Obama promised he wouldn't raise taxes to cover this and said it wasn't a tax. They argued it in Congress that it wasn't a tax. Now SCOTUS has ruled that it is unconstitutional except as a tax. There should be a call for Congress and the President to repeal the bill since they promised it wasn't a tax.

So, check my logic here: IF the majority of American people didn't want this in the first place, but were ignored by the Government, and now the Supreme Court is calling this a tax, isn't that Taxation without Representation?

reply to post by sonnny1


We wouldn't have a "war on terror" without Bush. Sorry, but Bush started all of this, therefore he is the worst president in modern history. His lies killed millions of civilians..

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by sonnny1

 

We wouldn't have a "war on terror" without Bush. Sorry, but Bush started all of this, therefore he is the worst president in modern history. His lies killed millions of civilians..

Okay. Its OBVIOUS you want to continue,and BLAME Bush. Have at it .

OBAMA could have ended the "war" on terror. He hasn't. Hes made it BIGGER. You don't want to admit it,but its the truth. Convenient for you,inconvenient for the rest of America , and the World .Whats sad is you value suffering in lives. I value it,in plain old suffering . America and the World is STILL suffering , Under Obama. Spin away , RealSpoke........ Spin Away................

Why do we continue to bash Bush and Obama and blame republicans or democrats?
We have ourselves to blame...this is the mechanism they use to give us a false sense of control.

With each successive change in political platform, more money is removed from our pockets,
and more control is established over our lives.

When the enveloped is pushed far to the left, politicians reach out and grab money for social
programs and government bureaucracy. And when we slide to the right our money goes for
nation building and bailouts. One one side we are left with more government control, and on the
other more corporate control...and in the interim we are guided by media to point the finger of
blame at ourselves....

It's like riding a swing at the schoolyard---behind we are getting slapped on the ass,
and in front punched in the stomach....and somewhere mid-swing, we glare hatefully
at each other and scream..."SEE, I TOLD YOU SO...IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!"

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by sonnny1

 

We wouldn't have a "war on terror" without Bush. Sorry, but Bush started all of this, therefore he is the worst president in modern history. His lies killed millions of civilians..

dude, are you in the right thread ??
what does Bush have to do with Obamacare or ObeyMeCare Tax Hikes ??
you know, the topic of this thread

reply to post by rival


I actually agree with you. Problem is this. If people cant be honest with themselves,they can never take the next step,and right their World......

Star for you !

u would moan whoever was in charge

www.nytimes.com...

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by sonnny1
Its incredible that people are not seeing this for what it is . THE LARGEST TAX INCREASES IN AMERICAN HISTORY !


I hope all those who voted for Obama,are happy.

Should they Remember this moment?

Yes!
They can!

But will they really, come election?

I seriously doubt it

Problem is most of those people are ignorant and still believe that this is socialized medicine!
I would love to see the looks on their faces when they have to pay out of pocket or are laid off cause their
employer has to cut back below the 50 employee threshold!
I don't think Romney will repeal Obamacare! If we look at how Obama was elected we will see he lied to get votes so why would Romney be any different?
All politicians are liars and need to be impeached by revolution if necessary! I have been ready for this since the
2008 bank bailouts! I still don't understand why we don't act on our right to revolt?
Am i the only patriot left?

Originally posted by rival
Why do we continue to bash Bush and Obama and blame republicans or democrats?
We have ourselves to blame...this is the mechanism they use to give us a false sense of control.

With each successive change in political platform, more money is removed from our pockets,
and more control is established over our lives.

When the enveloped is pushed far to the left, politicians reach out and grab money for social
programs and government bureaucracy. And when we slide to the right our money goes for
nation building and bailouts. One one side we are left with more government control, and on the
other more corporate control...and in the interim we are guided by media to point the finger of
blame at ourselves....

It's like riding a swing at the schoolyard---behind we are getting slapped on the ass,
and in front punched in the stomach....and somewhere mid-swing, we glare hatefully
at each other and scream..."SEE, I TOLD YOU SO...IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!"

edit on 30-6-2012 by rival because: (no reason given)

AWESOME and so true! Cognative dissonance is a real motherF__ker!

Originally posted by sonnny1
Its incredible that people are not seeing this for what it is . THE LARGEST TAX INCREASES IN AMERICAN HISTORY !


I hope all those who voted for Obama,are happy.

Justice Roberts just elected President Romney.

It will be November 2010 all over again.

More Republicans will be added to the House and more Republicans will be

added to the US Senate.

With President Romney in the White House we will have all 3 corners and

then repeal ObamaCare.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by sonnny1

 

We wouldn't have a "war on terror" without Bush. Sorry, but Bush started all of this, therefore he is the worst president in modern history. His lies killed millions of civilians..

Yeah, the Cole bombing, 9/11, bombings throught the world had nothing to do with the WOT.

I'd like to see a cite that proves that "millions" of civilians have died due to US military action.

A life free from money and material possessions is starting to look pretty good huh? It was established 2500 years ago by the buddha Siddartha Gotama, while you don't have to be that extreme, any effort towards liberation is a good thing. The things you own end up owning you. Or, start to enjoy paying taxes and being a socialist.

Questions I don't see anyone asking:

People who don't opt to buy insurance and pay the IRS enacted fine instead will still be uninsured. What will happen when they need medical care?

There is a precedent for this. In the State of Massachusetts they have had a similar program in place for several years, (Romneycare) and many have elected to pay the penalties rather than purchase insurance, and many remain uninsured.

By every indication the fine will be less than the cost of coverage. This will surely drive up the costs of coverage even more!

Businesses that have more than 50 employees will be required to provide insurance or pay a fine.

How many businesses will now have 49 or fewer employees?

ObamaCare will cost 650,000 U.S. jobs if it is not repealed. The Congressional Budget Office says the figure would be more than 800,000 people would lose their jobs. Can you say, unintended consequences?

FACT: Health insurers raised premiums for Americans as a direct result of President Obama's health care overhaul.

Costs already have, and will continue to go up for healthcare.

Medicaid
ObamaCare expands Medicaid (medical care for the poor) to everyone (under the Medicare age of 65) who has income less than 133% the federal poverty level. States must pay this enormous new burden, but federal government promises to reimburse costs of newly eligible patients under this program from 2014 to 2016.

SCOTUS said no to this provision. States don't have to comply with this. Who will pay? States that DO participate will become a Mecca for some...

Congress will not be under the same healthcare system they are foisting onto us.

Why are we not DEMANDING they get what they give to us?

And then there are the waivers for political friends:

Less than one year after ObamaCare was signed into law, 111 unions, companies, and organizations had received approval for Waiver of the Annual Limits Requirements of the PHS Act Section 2711. By December 7, 2010, the list of unions, companies, and insurers who have used the HHS waiver as an escape to avoid the costly, destructive consequences of Obamacare for their members and employees grew from 111 to 222. More than 50 unions have already received waivers. Moreover, three Service Employees International Union (SEIU) local chapters, including the Chicago chapter, whose political action committee spent $27 million supporting Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential election, have received waivers from a provision in the Obamacare law.

The year 2014 is the deadline for everyone to get insurance.

Not obtaining insurance in 2014 will cost a person $95 or 1% of his or her income, whichever is higher. In 2015, it's $325, or 2% of income. For families, the penalty will be $285 per household or 1% of income, whichever is greater. By 2016, it goes up to $2,085 per family or 2.5% of income.Penalties will rise each year.

So what will it be? Food on your table, your mortgage payment, college tuition for your children, gas for your vehicle, how will you make up for the income loss to your family?

Federal health spending is projected to grow from 5.6% of gross domestic product in 2011 to about 9.4% by 2035, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. Is there a new bubble growing here?

When an additional 32 million Americans get medical insurance, who exactly is going to treat them?

And then there is this:

"An annual fee to raise money for President Obama's healthcare law will increase insurance premiums by billions of dollars on the whole, according to a new report by a conservative think tank. The American Action Forum, led by former Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin, argued that the annual fee from insurers starting in 2014 amounts to a tax on the middle class."

This goes in direct opposition to Obama's pledge to NOT raise taxes on the middle class.

"The data suggest that roughly 85 percent of the burden will come out of the wallets of those making less than $100,000," American Action Forum said in a statement. The fee will raise $8 billion in its first year. Holtz-Eakin calculated that this figure will translate to an aggregate premium increase of $10.6 billion, including $2.8 billion from policyholders with incomes between $10,000 and $30,000.

Yes YOU will pay...and you will pay, and you will PAY!

Another $2.2 billion would come from people with incomes between $30,000 and $50,000, while a comparatively small portion — $41 million — would come from the most affluent, the report concluded. "While the drafters’ intended to have insurers foot the bill for the Affordable Care Act, ultimately firms can only get the money from somebody in the economy. Who? Their customers," a release stated. "Perhaps due to its origins, [the fee] fails to pass muster from the perspective of tax policy."

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reply to post by MsAphrodite


Those are all very good questions.

Nancy Pelosi says we need to pass the bill so we can find out what's inside of it.

As of June 2012 i - still - don't think she has read it.

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Laura Ingraham has already come to few conclusions:

As of right now we will have a 2 tiered health care system.

If you are rich, you will not have to wait for anything at all.

You will get the very best care immediately.

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If you are poor and are thrown into an ObamaCare pit then you

better take a number and pray the - death panel - will smile at you.

If you are very old, the verdict will be a pain pill and a long trip home to die.

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Another option in a Canadian choice. It's called Medical Tourism.

You can fly to Mexico or India for treatment.

reply to post by MsAphrodite


I asked the question about 50 employees. How many small business owners are going to keep it under 49,and not hire anyone ? I would assume a majority . Small businesses are the life blood of this country .

This whole" mandatory" thing, makes me sick. Congress,the President,they didn't change their "healthcare" plans. If they want EVERYONE to buy into universal healthcare,let us have the SAME package Congress and the President has !!!

Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by MsAphrodite

 

I asked the question about 50 employees. How many small business owners are going to keep it under 49,and not hire anyone ? I would assume a majority . Small businesses are the life blood of this country .

This whole" mandatory" thing, makes me sick. Congress,the President,they didn't change their "healthcare" plans. If they want EVERYONE to buy into universal healthcare,let us have the SAME package Congress and the President has !!!

I agree with you. It is sad that you say "let us" rather than that we must demand for congress to have exactly the same thing they give to us. One of the hallmarks of Socialized countries is the disparity between what the elite of the government have vs. what they foist onto the people.

We MUST demand this now, and we must demand it loudly!!!

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by sonnny1

 

We wouldn't have a "war on terror" without Bush. Sorry, but Bush started all of this, therefore he is the worst president in modern history. His lies killed millions of civilians..

Republicans arent concerned with mass killing of civilians. This is a non-issue for them. Its the taxes, man... Its the money (only when Democrats are in office) that gets them all upset...

They will just say you are blaming Bush... I bet in 1948 there were a lot of Germans saying... Oh here we go, let's keep blaming Hitler for Germany's problems.