It is happening! Experiment based on ET Information!!!

Originally posted by anoncoholic
reply to post by john_bmth

 

it is all about perception then isn't it?

"Science & Technology: Cutting edge science and future technology."

No, not really. Science is supported by evidence. This nonsense is not.

how can it be evidenced if it is in the future?

Do you realise how absurd that sounds?

Perhaps you don't like the subject, that doesn't mean others might not find something of intrigue in it

If it's posted in the Science & Technology forum then be prepared for outlandish claims to be challenged. There's many other forums on these boards for this sort of stuff where you can make all sorts of claims without any evidence. SciTech is not one of them.

You can belittle others for their belief but without knowing absolutely one way or the other how can you claim to have an open mind?

You confuse "open mindedness" with "gullibility". Being open mined is not about accepting any old garbage without so much as the flimsiest of supporting evidence. The fact that the OP is so thoroughly convinced that this fraud is in fact channelling some extra dimensional space being (lol!) and refusing to accept any rational explanation is closed minded.

I checked the link in your siggy, see my post above. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you are correct and that goes for everyone, myself included.

Then show some evidence, then. That's all it takes. Ludicrous youtube videos are not evidence, unless your threshold for evidence is so low that you consider the likes of scribblings on a toilet wall as sufficient evidence.

None of us are infallible so maybe you should cut some slack when others are seeking?

Seeking answers and settling without evidence is foolish and ignorant.

It goes a long way towards understanding the unknown rather than that head in the sand outlook.

"Understanding the unknown"? If you take this hoaxer for his word then you are an idiot. If you consider that some noble knowledge quest then you are utterly deluded.

You can easily ignore the thread and let those who are interested explore all avenues of understanding it.

Oh, I see, so "exploring other avenues" includes trying to stamp out dissenting voices who aren't taken in by this nonsense? Gotcha. Now THAT'S closed minded.

Is he a fraud? Probably, isn't that the way of mankind? That lack of morality and integrity is evidenced everywhere.

But what if?

But what if he isn't?

What if I'm Bigfoot? Unless I present evidence to support my argument we can play the "what if" game all day long and we'll get absolutely nowhere. Sadly for you, the SciTech forum is about science and technology, not unsubstantiated woo hoo.

Originally posted by kauskau

Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by kauskau

 

The language barrier is not the problem, it's the ridiculous assertions unsupported by evidence followed by the condescending "oh one day you'll realise you were wrong when your vibrational energy maxes out on Bigfoot's birthday" claptrap that is the problem. This is the SCIENCE forum, claims must be supported by evidence.

as i said, and this will not be enough for you, there will be no evidence until the mass consciousness is ready for contact until than its a free choice to believe in whatever you want to believe..

Ooooh... so it's because my mind isn't "ready for contact". Right, that's why I can't see him for the extra-dimensional being that he is

but my "evidence" is and was the way he speaks

Yup, there's your problem.

i never perceived a human who can talk about difficult concepts so elegantli and of course i never saw someone LIE for more than 4 minutes without reveal it through pauses, through the voice or through reactions..

Then you are neither well read nor have you lived your life.

the moment that totally broke my "scepctic frontier"

I find it extremely difficult to believe you have a "sceptic frontier". I believe that you see and hear what you want to see and hear, and to hell with the evidence that runs contrary to your belief system.

was when he was asked if something like astrology exists on their planet..and his answer opened a door for me to at least start to question my scepticism..and after hours and hours of listening to him..the barrier fell totally

So basically you the reason you believe is because you take him at face value. That's an extremely narrow minded position to take.

"Do you have a astrology in your system"? Bashars answer at 6: 25
www.youtube.com...

WOW...no freaking human ...can flow like that in all kind of topics...SHOW ME ONE!

You just cant ...you can show me a lot of frauds but not a genius like this ....believe me : i never trusted anyone ..i can see lies...this is the first and only "master" i ever had.
because he is the best source i ever saw..and i saw a lot...believe it or not..listen to the stuff

You sound like some wide-eyed zealot. It is quite clear that all critical thought mechanisms have completely broken down and you are now prepared to take on all sorts of utter nonsense with absolutely zero evidence because you are indulging in a heavy dose of motivated reasoning and confirmation bias. That's not good. Ironically, I implore you to open your mind as it is currently firmly held shut.

its not about evidence..its about beliefsystems..and until you are not willing and ready..you will get no evidence> its all about resonance.

as i said: watch the last two videos i linked..i swear to you there is all evidence you need.


If there are enough people that believe things to be true...everyone else will get evidence. Its about a threshold (morphogenetic field)

Originally posted by kauskau
its not about evidence..its about beliefsystems..and until you are not willing and ready..you will get no evidence> its all about resonance.

So you expect me to believe what you say without any evidence? That's pretty darned closed minded to expect me to shut off all other avenues of explanation and take yours as some timeless truth. You make claim after claim without so much as a shred of evidence and have the audacity to accuse those who don't just blindly accept your claims without question as being closed minded. Ironic, really.

On the topic of "open mindedness":

Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by kauskau
its not about evidence..its about beliefsystems..and until you are not willing and ready..you will get no evidence> its all about resonance.

So you expect me to believe what you say without any evidence? That's pretty darned closed minded to expect me to shut off all other avenues of explanation and take yours as some timeless truth. You make claim after claim without so much as a shred of evidence and have the audacity to accuse those who don't just blindly accept your claims without question as being closed minded. Ironic, really.

LOL....who need critical thinking and logic anyways..... Brings a favorite quote to mind from Richard Dawkins:

“The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry”

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i dont expect anything..i just said: watch those videos...and maybe you will doubt your scepticism! Simple as that.
But i see: u wont. So peace to you. Its your choice. And i accept it.

reply to post by Vasa Croe
As a skeptic myself, I will play devil's advocate momentarily and state that suspending your rational mind, embracing blind faith, can be an empowering force in many different ways for the individual, even, if I dare say it, producing some sometimes 'strange' phenomenon. Exploring the idea of interchangable belief systems can be.. interesting and enlightening in many ways.

Well it is interesting that people are now trying more then ever before to reach out and attempt different means to produce innovations..

Thats the good points...

The bad?..

People like this individual the OP believes in...

Not to say the probability for photons (which BTW are packets of electrons) to travel through a copper wire is impossible, in technical terms, the "electrons" which can make up Photons, do indeed travel through a copper wire..

It's a slight of hand trick IMO...

Photons have been shown to affect genetic structures, so if I was to say that I used sea water, and coiled in a small pipe as an antenna based upon this characters design, I too can absorb photon packets, and generate energy as a by product of affecting genetic material.. Would I be lying?..

Slight of hand people.. Slight of hand....

Originally posted by kauskau

Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by kauskau

 

The language barrier is not the problem, it's the ridiculous assertions unsupported by evidence followed by the condescending "oh one day you'll realise you were wrong when your vibrational energy maxes out on Bigfoot's birthday" claptrap that is the problem. This is the SCIENCE forum, claims must be supported by evidence.

as i said, and this will not be enough for you, there will be no evidence until the mass consciousness is ready for contact until than its a free choice to believe in whatever you want to believe..

but my "evidence" is and was the way he speaks about concepcts in a really integrative but still "zen-flow"- way... i never perceived a human who can talk about difficult concepts so elegantli and of course i never saw someone LIE for more than 4 minutes without reveal it through pauses, through the voice or through reactions..

the moment that totally broke my "scepctic frontier" was when he was asked if something like astrology exists on their planet..and his answer opened a door for me to at least start to question my scepticism..and after hours and hours of listening to him..the barrier fell totally


"Do you have a astrology in your system"? Bashars answer at 6: 25
www.youtube.com...

WOW...no freaking human ...can flow like that in all kind of topics...SHOW ME ONE!

You just cant ...you can show me a lot of frauds but not a genius like this ....believe me : i never trusted anyone ..i can see lies...this is the first and only "master" i ever had.
because he is the best source i ever saw..and i saw a lot...believe it or not..listen to the stuff

I agree with you. (thats not a sentence youve heard very often in this thread), however i believe youve chosen the wrong forum for this topic my friend. Im rather cynical of the channeling of ETs on the whole, (well who wouldnt be, because most provide ridiculous and unsubstanciated claims), but i must agree with Kaskaus, there is definitly something about this chap, if this guy is a fraud, which of course, there is always the possibility that he is, then he is a bloody genius. And if it is all crap, then its interesting crap, i listened to a couple of hours of his "lectures ?" and it does make you ask the question, "what if this is legit? Cynics laugh all you like, its food for thought.

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ahh thats like a warm gentle breeze...

btw: i took this forum because in the et section i already made a bashar thread and there were of course more people who were open for the possibility of him being real. We had a long discussion there.

But the point for me is: i would love this guy to become known in other circles but of course i know this is not possible in a big scheme..but one or two people that are open to it and listen to it are totally fine with me.
Its not that i did not expect people to call this guy a fraud..my whole family and friends are also not open for the idea.
But i am quite sure: every new day it will be more probable that people give this a chance to let it atleast open their mind..we are in a time of awakening. Without a doubt.



And he is a great teacher..of course not the only one but the best i ever encountered and i was on a search for a long time for a "source" that i totally trust in.

here is the original old discussion in the et forum..

and of course it had another dynamic but still there were a lot of sceptics..thats natural in topics like that.
I was a sceptic too even if no one believes that who hear me talk now.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is interesting to me only in that I think it's what that other fellow (Captain Bill?), and his alien channeling with Mythii is doing. This guy made videos.. and then.. huh.. SOLD BOOKS. Go figure. So now we have this Mythii alien with all sorts of implausible, non-provable rubbish - 80 videos all told so far. Like I said in the other thread, I imagine we'll see this in book form as well in the future.

Because some gullible sucker is going to buy it.

reply to post by john_bmth


absence of proof is not proof of absence.

While some can hold a mentality that they are all-knowing when proven wrong their egos are so massive that taking that kind of a hit to their psyches is beyond reason. Trying to rationalize with this kind of irrational outlook is an exercise in futility and you will find that all you are left with is talking at others (while they even bother to talk to you that is) until all you are left with are clones of yourself.

You say it sounds absurd that the future can't be evidenced and yet perhaps you can bless us with your wisdom in this matter? Give us an example of a future that you can predict maybe? Don't forget it requires sourcing and the scientific method not to mention peer review. That to me is the epitome of absurdity.

The OP is about a device that is easy to make but rather than even attempt to understand the physics you and the ilk you adhere to like parasites resort to shooting down the messenger.

That is your idea of denying ignorance rather than accepting the fact that not all is known nor is everything entirely understood.

Your siggy is a total waste of time but to you it is truth because you hadn't seen the means to attain over-unity and while I pointed out just how easy it is to achieve you reject the concept because it didn''t come from you and turned you into one who assumed too much about things you knew too little.

This Bashar character could very well be a fraud and yet until the device is tested and proven or disproven closing your mind to possibility is in itself the ignorance you seek to destroy.

There is a thing called inspiration that is drawn from experience and input from others. Can it be proven in a lab test? Is there any tangible reason to believe in external sourcing? What triggers the thought in the first place?

Let me ask you a question... is the face on Mars real? Now comprehend that it doesn't matter to me whether it is real or not. Where it led others that in turn inspired me is the end result and whether imagined or physically there is besides the point when breakthroughs are derived from it.

Had all dismissed it as a trick of light and geological weathering then none of what I came to understand ( a mathematical model that I applied to a geometric model was all derived from that face) would have even come to be.

What could ever constitute proof of the unknown? Opinions and verbal assault upon others for seeking is counter-productive to understanding. Why shoot the messenger or where the message came from?

So in this sense of what harm is there in keeping an open mind even in the face of the incredible? Prove it false before you brand it with a bs iron. But again, how can you prove or disprove an unknown?

... maybe by coming to know it?

Ha! I love his game show host voice!

Originally posted by anoncoholic
reply to post by john_bmth

 

absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, especially when far more mundane and reasonable explanations exist.

While some can hold a mentality that they are all-knowing when proven wrong their egos are so massive that taking that kind of a hit to their psyches is beyond reason.

Oh really? So expecting substance to claims of channelling extraterrestrial beings is somehow "egotistical"?

Trying to rationalize with this kind of irrational outlook is an exercise in futility and you will find that all you are left with is talking at others (while they even bother to talk to you that is) until all you are left with are clones of yourself.

Believing that some guy is channelling an extraterrestrial being because he says so is not rational by any stretch of the imagination.

You say it sounds absurd that the future can't be evidenced and yet perhaps you can bless us with your wisdom in this matter?

How about you bless me with some evidence instead?

Give us an example of a future that you can predict maybe? Don't forget it requires sourcing and the scientific method not to mention peer review. That to me is the epitome of absurdity.

So you're now suggesting that I have to demonstrate abilities to see into the future in order to call this guy out? What you suggest is utterly devoid of logic.

The OP is about a device that is easy to make but rather than even attempt to understand the physics you and the ilk you adhere to like parasites resort to shooting down the messenger.

Understanding the physics? How about you post up the evidence for all to dissect and understand?

That is your idea of denying ignorance rather than accepting the fact that not all is known nor is everything entirely understood.

Post up the evidence. if you do not have any then do not be surprised if people don't just blindly accept fantastic claims without fantastic evidence. To do so is closed minded.

Your siggy is a total waste of time but to you it is truth because you hadn't seen the means to attain over-unity and while I pointed out just how easy it is to achieve you reject the concept because it didn''t come from you and turned you into one who assumed too much about things you knew too little.

Post up the evidence for your claims of over unity and extraterrestrial beings. otehrwise all you are doing is talking hot air.

This Bashar character could very well be a fraud and yet until the device is tested and proven or disproven closing your mind to possibility is in itself the ignorance you seek to destroy.

Blindly accepting fantastic claims whilst attempting to shut out opposing (and far more rational) explanations as being "closed minded" is in fact closed minded. That makes you a hypocrite.

There is a thing called inspiration that is drawn from experience and input from others. Can it be proven in a lab test? Is there any tangible reason to believe in external sourcing? What triggers the thought in the first place?

There's this thing called "evidence" that is sorely lacking from your post and others like it in this thread.

Let me ask you a question... is the face on Mars real? Now comprehend that it doesn't matter to me whether it is real or not. Where it led others that in turn inspired me is the end result and whether imagined or physically there is besides the point when breakthroughs are derived from it.

Had all dismissed it as a trick of light and geological weathering then none of what I came to understand ( a mathematical model that I applied to a geometric model was all derived from that face) would have even come to be.

Let me ask you a question... am i Bigfoot? Do you seriously entrain the possibility that I am in your misguided quest of "open mindedness"?

What could ever constitute proof of the unknown? Opinions and verbal assault upon others for seeking is counter-productive to understanding. Why shoot the messenger or where the message came from?

No, just some solid evidence will do, not "well watch his vids, he's totally legit, that's all the evidence I need". That's very closed minded indeed.

So in this sense of what harm is there in keeping an open mind even in the face of the incredible? Prove it false before you brand it with a bs iron. But again, how can you prove or disprove an unknown?


... maybe by coming to know it?

Again, being open minded is not about accepting all possibilities (the rational to the utterly implausible) as being on equal footing. You would be best served to watch the video on open mindedness i posted in this thread.

bashar counts in his ancient language...and gives some insight about this language

Bashar- other life forms in the universe....and crop circles/ and how their view is on our science fiction movies

Originally posted by kauskau
reply to post by thedoctorswife

 

ahh thats like a warm gentle breeze...

btw: i took this forum because in the et section i already made a bashar thread and there were of course more people who were open for the possibility of him being real. We had a long discussion there.

But the point for me is: i would love this guy to become known in other circles but of course i know this is not possible in a big scheme..but one or two people that are open to it and listen to it are totally fine with me.
Its not that i did not expect people to call this guy a fraud..my whole family and friends are also not open for the idea.
But i am quite sure: every new day it will be more probable that people give this a chance to let it atleast open their mind..we are in a time of awakening. Without a doubt.



And he is a great teacher..of course not the only one but the best i ever encountered and i was on a search for a long time for a "source" that i totally trust in.

My only personal bugbare, is that i love transcripts and hate watching videos, im a reader not a watcher and greedily consume the written word, the same cannot be said about my feelings for the spoken word, ive not found a lot of Bashar transcripts, apart from the few on the main site.

bashar about Death