It's About Time. Germany Rules Religious Circumcision on Boys is Assault

Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

Please allow me to assure you that circumcised males experience a good deal of pleasure.

The thing about it all is you don't know what it really should feel like nor will you ever. Thats the worst part of what your parents did to you.

Originally posted by scubagravy
reply to post by ColoradoJens

 

I find it very hard to believe that someone with your intelligence and profile picture has this stance on the subject. I dont need to go on, the facts speak for themselves. Do you think a baby feels nothing when coming through the vaginal canal ? having the umbilical cord cut ?

Fact is, more disease is spread by uncircumcised penis's. Never forget about the cheese factor. Its a breeding ground for all these new age (germs)..... Biblical times are over mate.

Erm, thanks mr. scientist. Do you know what my profile pic is?

TextThe Royal Dutch Medical Association stated in 2010: "There is currently not a single doctors' organisation that recommends routine circumcision for medical reasons."[

TextThe American Medical Association (1999) noted that medical associations in the US, Australia, and Canada did not recommend routine circumcision of newborns. It supported the general principles of the 1999 Circumcision Policy Statement of the American Academy of Pediatrics

Nice try though with the half truths.

CJ

This surprises me, as this would be a direct attack on Jewish religious rites.

I'm surprised the German people are allowing such a blatant attack on Jewish religious ceremonies, given their history on the subject.

"All that it takes for Evil to reign supreme is for good men to say nothing"

reply to post by Crakeur

TextRegardless, the only reason Germany outlawed the practice is due to it being a Jewish and Muslim tradition.

You do realize this would be unconstitutional of Germany?

TextSince 1949 the German constitution guarantees freedom of faith and religion. It also states that no one may be discriminated against due to their faith or religious opinions.

and wow, for such a hating country did you know?

Today Germany, especially its capital Berlin, has the fastest growing Jewish community worldwide

religion in germany

CJ

reply to post by ColoradoJens


research indicates vs. what I've seen, first hand?

my son didn't cry beyond the initial snip.
the eating issue? my son tripled his weight in the first 21 days of life, the bulk of that gain coming after the snip. He still eats like a horse and he's the tallest 7 year old I've ever seen, next to my niece and nephew.

irritable? and they know that the child's irritable demeanor is a result of a circumcision? did the child tell them this? did the child point to his diaper and cry?

again, my own eyes and the eyes of all parents who've chimed in here, as well as the many brises I've attended over the assumption of a child's thought every time.


It's all secondary to the real root of this law. Forcing Muslims and Jews to consider moving out of Germany if they want the freedom to practice their religion. All of it, not just the parts the German courts deem to be ok.

It'd be like the courts saying "it's ok to be catholic but, from this point on, no christening and nocommunion until the child is old enough to decide he, or she, wants to partake in a christening and the communion."

Originally posted by blahblah454
To everyone who thinks it looks "gross and unatural" think about this. What if we had cut off peoples lips for thousands of years, you would think lips looked gross too. It's the same thing. The human body was created a certain way, why not leave it like that?

But.. but.. girls think its nasty to leave it on, w have to impress them..., oh, im sure girls have it right and nature have it wrong!

Can't really do much, circumsized men(most) didn't have a choice, we trying to say having foreskin is better won't work with them, because its something they can;t have anymore.. so all they can do is find out what bad about having foreskin and stick to it.

The thing is Uncircumsized men can see how it is like to be both Circumsized and Uncircumzed...its take 1 sec to change mode you can't say the same for Circumcised man, they are stuck with what they have, what they always had...(rather never had)

reply to post by Thaxter


Thank you for the information Thaxter. Again. For all of the studies done, it comes out there is INCONCLUSIVE evidence on ANY health benefits.

CJ

reply to post by natters


Dear natters,

If parents had the brainpower to discuss these things with a pediatrician and research the literature around it then sure, I would agree with you. Unfortunately, the majority of "parents" seem to think winging it, or doing what's always been done is a-ok in matters like this.

OK, let's assume the medical community is wrong, and this medical decision shouldn't be left up to the parents. What other decisions shouldn't be left up to the parents?

Diet and exercise decisions will be vastly more important than circumcision decisions. So will decisions on where the child will be educated. Both of these decisions would benefit from discussion with professionals and researching the literature. So it seems, and forgive me if I am wrong, you are saying that parents aren't smart enough to raise their children so some one else will have to do it for them. Oh, the parents would be responsible for housing and clothing expenses, and the like, but decisions will be made somewhere else.

Please straighten out my thinking for me.

With respect,
Charles1952

you misunderstand my post. The medical community is right! Parents should have the option of doing these things. Unfortunately most parents dont care to know what is right, or best in a medical sense. Only in a societal sense.....as is obvious by the posts in this thread. Medically its been shown over and over that there is no known benefits to circumcision.

Sorry I wasn't more clear.

reply to post by Crakeur


Do you think the female procedure is cosmetic too?

reply to post by Crakeur

TextIt'd be like the courts saying "it's ok to be catholic but, from this point on, no christening and nocommunion until the child is old enough to decide he, or she, wants to partake in a christening and the communion."

Not at all. The church itself has rules for that. A child must first fulfill their CCD requirements in order to obtain communion.

CJ

reply to post by charles1952


What medical community is wrong? Read the above medical opinions. There is NO conclusive evidence circumcision prevents anything.

CJ

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

You do realize this would be unconstitutional of Germany?

Yes, it would be unconsitituional, thus it's disguised as being implemented as a means of protecting children

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

and wow, for such a hating country did you know?

Today Germany, especially its capital Berlin, has the fastest growing Jewish community worldwide

Is it possible they implemented a law that would, effectively, slow, to a crawl, the growth of the jewish community in Berlin, and Germany, as a whole?



When the nazis first rose to power, the laws put in place to control the "undesireable" population, weren't blatant and obvious.

Don't be surprised if Germany says, fine, muslims and jews can have their sons circumcised but only by muslim or jewish doctors. Any Aryan, sorry, non-jewish or non-muslim doctor performing this barbaric ritual will be sentenced to prison and, to make things easier for all, from this point on, all jewish doctors shall put a star of david, or some other marking, at their offices, to show the world that they are jews. (the mezzuzah being too small and and barely noticeable until it's too late). All jewish doctors should wear an armband indicating their faith too, lest they accidentally perform an emergency procedure on an Aryan, sorry non-jew, destroying his future. Muslims shall also mark their offices and their bodies so as to avoid the master race, I mean the german people, from accidentally getting treated by the inferior muslims.

reply to post by rjetarh


no the practice you refer to is done for the sole purpose of removing the pleasure from sex for the woman.

this results in showing women they are not equal to men. Men get pleasure from sex, women are there for two reasons - to get pregnant and to give men pleasure.

I don't believe either of these to be the case.

What's the big deal here?

I mean, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I was circumcised as a child, and it doesn't bother me one bit. My parents had me circumcised because my dad was circumcised, and they wanted our "equipment" to look the same. It had nothing to do with religion.

People need to grow some thicker skin (pun not originally intended, but haha!). If you want to circumcise your kid, I think you should be allowed to do that. If you don't want to circumcise your kid, that's fine too. Just let the parents decide. These kids are so young, they aren't going to remember any of it anyway. It certainly isn't "assault"; it is a medical procedure.

Get over it.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by Crakeur

 

TextIt'd be like the courts saying "it's ok to be catholic but, from this point on, no christening and nocommunion until the child is old enough to decide he, or she, wants to partake in a christening and the communion."

Not at all. The church itself has rules for that. A child must first fulfill their CCD requirements in order to obtain communion.

CJ

ok, got it. Church is ok with making rules that overrule gov't law but jews and muslims, do not.

Nazi Germany II, Reich Back At Ya!

Originally posted by DarkATi
What's the big deal here?

I mean, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I was circumcised as a child, and it doesn't bother me one bit. My parents had me circumcised because my dad was circumcised, and they wanted our "equipment" to look the same. It had nothing to do with religion.

People need to grow some thicker skin (pun not originally intended, but haha!). If you want to circumcise your kid, I think you should be allowed to do that. If you don't want to circumcise your kid, that's fine too. Just let the parents decide. These kids are so young, they aren't going to remember any of it anyway. It certainly isn't "assault"; it is a medical procedure.

Get over it.

edit on 28-6-2012 by DarkATi because: (no reason given)

Medical procedure for looks?

Originally posted by luciddream

Originally posted by DarkATi
What's the big deal here?

I mean, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I was circumcised as a child, and it doesn't bother me one bit. My parents had me circumcised because my dad was circumcised, and they wanted our "equipment" to look the same. It had nothing to do with religion.

People need to grow some thicker skin (pun not originally intended, but haha!). If you want to circumcise your kid, I think you should be allowed to do that. If you don't want to circumcise your kid, that's fine too. Just let the parents decide. These kids are so young, they aren't going to remember any of it anyway. It certainly isn't "assault"; it is a medical procedure.

Get over it.

edit on 28-6-2012 by DarkATi because: (no reason given)

Medical procedure for looks?

... and a sort of "forced hygiene." (I know uncircumcised dudes can be clean too, but let's face it, kids don't always wash their junk like they should, eh?)

But, what I really meant is that it isn't being done by a crazy Rabbi with a rusty knife. Everything is sanitary and sterile.

reply to post by Crakeur


Touche. The point is communion is not a permanent thing as is genital mutilation. One can also deny taking communion for any reason. Just to add, the cannibalism of Jesus is another strange ritual of religion.

CJ

reply to post by Crakeur


You seem then to be making a self contradiction, or allowing for double standards.

What was the reasoning for your pg14 post? Your questions were baffling.

www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread855195/pg14#pid14426373