American Muslims Stone Christians in Dearborn, MI, page 18

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:17 AM

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what happened to ' he who hasn't sinned cast he first stone '

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posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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I agree, the children should not have had to bear the brunt of this or decide between violence and words. They were very young. All the more reason the Christian group should be ashamed of themselves and deserves a good whipping in my opinion.

I guess we are going to have to disagree on this one, I don't believe in violence.

I don't like the fact that these specific Christians do this, I want to know more about them, who exactly are these people?

Muckster

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by Sicul2012
MUSLIMS HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN ANY WESTERN NATION!

THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE ON ATS

DENY IGNORANCE!

getreadyalready

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by getreadyalready
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This is the problem with you leftists.

I'm not a leftist, I'm a conservative libertarian. A real one.

Really? Because so am I, and I thought it would be fun to return the "leftist" insult. In fact, if you really are a Conservative Libertarian, then you are in favor of gay marriage, abortion, legalizing the herb, prostitution, and you feel they should get rid of mandatory sentencing, 3-strike rules, and prison for non-violent crimes?

Because those are conservative libertarian views that some people think are "liberal," because they don't understand the terms. Personally I'm not a fan of gay marriage or abortion, but I do not want the government making the decisions for us, and therefore I think they should be legal.

So, in reality, if you really are a Conservative Libertarian, then you probably are also a "leftist," because in this day and age the two extreme left and right views have more in common than all the confused folks in the middle.

Shminkee Pinkee

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:22 AM

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reply to post by TrueAmerican

Well everyone has the right to peaceful assembly, however if you are going to walk into a different faith or political meeting holding placards with you beliefs carefully stencilled on them, then I'm pretty sure there will be some trouble. I'd imagine the Muslims were having their festival peacefully, and within the law, when the Christians appeared, peacefully and within the law, but I would imagine their pressence provoked some people to act stupidly and in a very inappropriate manner, when that happens there is a mob mentallity and people join in. Perhaps this was the intent of the Christian group, who knows, maybe Muslims are completely unapproachable, who knows? Either way if you are going to confront people in a public religious gathering with an opposing or different religious ideology you will eventually get a backlash. Both parties in my opinion behaved badly.

getreadyalready

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:23 AM

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I dunno, but they really shouldn't call themselves Christians. They are a lot like the Westboro folks. I know you don't believe in violence, but you would have to feel a little warm and fuzzy inside if some grieving father let all his frustration and sadness out on those WBB folks wouldn't you? Even if you disagree, seeing a grieving man get his catharsis and rage released on such a fine deserving group of folks would have to feel good deep down inside somewhere?

Flavian

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by Muckster

Originally posted by Sicul2012
MUSLIMS HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN ANY WESTERN NATION!

THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE ON ATS

DENY IGNORANCE!

IS THE USE OF CAPITALS BECOMING THE NEW VOGUE HERE? DOES IT ADD VALUE?

THINK I MAY POST EVERYTHING IN CAPITALS FROM NOW ON!

InhaleExhale

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:25 AM

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"Indeed I have taken the time to study Islam to try to understand why its followers are so violent."

I just quoted this part of statement to show you in my opinion how wrong this is.

If you would study any religion to understand why its followers do certain things then you are discriminating and a bigot.

To say any individual does something because they are so and so religion is again my opinion a very limited way of looking at a said situation and easily hides the real cause and created more division.

bl4ke360

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by bl4ke360

This is the problem with you leftists.

I'm not a leftist, I'm a conservative libertarian. A real one.

Really? Because so am I, and I thought it would be fun to return the "leftist" insult. In fact, if you really are a Conservative Libertarian, then you are in favor of gay marriage, abortion, legalizing the herb, prostitution, and you feel they should get rid of mandatory sentencing, 3-strike rules, and prison for non-violent crimes?

You got a lot of that wrong, first of all I don't think government should have the right to legalize or criminalize any sort of marriage, I don't think abortion should necessarily be legal because it can be interpreted as a violent crime against humanity, and prison for only violent crimes doesn't make sense because last I checked, something like stealing isn't violent but do I need to tell you why it's bad to steal?

mainidh

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:26 AM

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reply to post by getreadyalready

ARE YOU BLOODY KIDDING ME?

Wow...

I'm going to stock pile anything against people like you when tshtf. You're already screwed and by your own hands.

unreal, I cannot believe you said that. Did you even WATCH the video? My god..

Lmao, dear America, welcome to your very own lakemba.

We had ours... the pigs let it run for a week without intervention. Riots, churches shot up and burned, innocent people bashed.

No thanks to people sitting on their hands however...

far out... im lost for words really, this video made me sick, but this comment above made me violently angry...

bl4ke360

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:31 AM

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Originally posted by InhaleExhale

"Indeed I have taken the time to study Islam to try to understand why its followers are so violent."

I just quoted this part of statement to show you in my opinion how wrong this is.

If you would study any religion to understand why its followers do certain things then you are discriminating and a bigot.

To say any individual does something because they are so and so religion is again my opinion a very limited way of looking at a said situation and easily hides the real cause and created more division.

Dismissing areas of motivation just because it sounds "discriminatory" to you regardless if the reasoning is sound, is completely illogical and you're just ignoring the problem. It's clear you've never read the quran, so tell me how you're qualified to dismiss it as a means of providing motivation for violence. I could make up a religion and have all sorts of violence preaching such as advocating mass murder for example, would you say that because I call it a religion, it is automatically protected from scrutiny because hurting my feelings is worse than mass murder?

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mainidh

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:31 AM

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Not going to bother reading this thread, I'll just get post banned or something.

But let me ask those who think this is OK.

Do you think muslims would have walked away? Or stayed and kicked on? These guys were leaving when they were assaulted. That any of you can justify that sickens me. But it is typical. You've been brainwashed to think of islam as the poor widdle me religion, where only us nasty creeps with an agenda can ever have anything to say.

If you're not with them, you're obviously the deviant enemy.

You asked for it. You get it. And when they get used to being allowed to stomp all over you, I'll laugh when they do it to YOU, yes YOU mister and misses "Oh leave them alone, theyre harmless."

I can't wait, it's inevitable and going to happen. And YOU let it.

bah, not me tho...

Stormdancer777

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Stormdancer777

I dunno, but they really shouldn't call themselves Christians. They are a lot like the Westboro folks. I know you don't believe in violence, but you would have to feel a little warm and fuzzy inside if some grieving father let all his frustration and sadness out on those WBB folks wouldn't you? Even if you disagree, seeing a grieving man get his catharsis and rage released on such a fine deserving group of folks would have to feel good deep down inside somewhere?

I am burying my brother tomorrow, he was a devout christian and a precious and kind man, I can't imagine violence at his funeral, but the words he lived by,

A kind word turns away wrath, A gentle answer deflects anger, but harsh words make tempers flare.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God. Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

You are the light of the world.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

RIP Lenn, this ones for you.

Kali74

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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reply to post by bl4ke360

BS. I'm a Leftist...a Libertarian Leftist. Calling out antagonists does not equate to being intolerant of anyone else of that group. I see very few people in this thread demonizing all Christians because of what these morons did and of those people who are, I don't necessarily see one Leftist among them.

doobydoll

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74

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Isn't it odd that it's only Christian Fundamentalists or Missionaries that show up at events put on by groups they hate? I never hear of Muslims protesting outside of Christian events.

Muslims protest and disrupt our Remembrance Day services in the UK by publicly shouting hate and death through megaphones and burn our Union Jack. There is a thread somewhere on ATS about this but I can't find it.

The people attending the service are only there to remember our fallen heroes and pay respects to them, no other reason, but have to endure loud hateful slurs throughout.

The Muslims do not attend in order to pay repsects or to remember those who fell, they go solely to disrupt and offend to the best of their ability.

But no-one stones the protesters. They have a right to protest - right? We ALL do - right? Including Christians.

So yes, Muslims do this quite often.
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torqpoc

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by TrueAmerican

If a Christian group was crashing a Muslim festival, they obviously had some point of contention and expected backlash. They also seemed to expect the police to protect them. Why?

Natural consequences, if I throw trash in your yard, you have every right to kick it back in mine, and if it escalates and you kick my ass..... fine. That is what happens to people when they pick fights, eventually they get their ass kicked.

Good for the Muslims.

Dear GRA,
However much I agree with your response, the premise is that they went looking for trouble. I didn't watch the video because i've seen this kind of issue numerous times in France and truly i'm a bit disgusted with how often this topic or topics like it come up on ATS (almost like it's on purpose).

The counter arguement is rather simplistic: shouldn't anyone, of any religion, be able to feel safe in any situation as long as they are non violent? The simple fact is that even if you are non violent, violence ensues because of religion belief and obstination in YOUR God, YOUR belief system being "better" more "viable" more "true" than someone else's. That leads on to another completely different arguement about the true purpose of religion but i'll leave it there.

If the Christians went there for the sole purpose of causing trouble, and did.. then I fully back your statement. If you look for trouble, invariably you will find it.

T

getreadyalready

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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Well, instead of "non-violent" perhaps I should have said "victimless." But even so, what good does locking someone up for theft do? Does it make them not steal anymore? Does it reform them? Or does it just cost the tax-payers money and make them into a better criminal for when they get out? Why not put them on an ankle bracelet to monitor their whereabouts and give them mandatory counseling, job-training, and community service until they are actually reformed?

As far as abortion, I agree that it is a terrible thing to do to a baby, and I've posted on ATS many, many times about my own son that was born at 28 weeks when some babies are still being aborted, but even with that knowledge I can't support a law criminalizing it, because there are too many exceptions and situations where it might be appropriate or necessary.

Other than those two things, sounds like we pretty much agree, and yet you feel the OP is an example of a "peaceable assembly" protected by the Constitution? How? Why? That isn't peaceable, and it isn't an assembly for any peaceful purpose, the only goal of that group is to harass and insult another group trying to mind their own business. That is certainly not what the framers of the Constitution had in mind. They were surely talking abou prayer groups, political rallies, education, etc. Those things were sometimes forbidden at the time, just like they are sometimes forbidden in Iran and the old USSR. They made the stipulation in the Constitution for those reasons, not something like this OP.

getreadyalready

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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reply to post by Stormdancer777

Sorry for your loss, and those are beautiful words.

Spiramirabilis

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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As-Salamu Alaykum ollncasino

and have a nice day

:-)

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SuperFrog

posted on Jun, 27 2012 @ 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by SuperFrog

I wonder if you can point all those countries and states (why in the world are states mixed with countries?) on map, let alone know what in any of them is going on.

Just for example, do you have any idea what happened in Chechnya, Bosnia or Kosovo?

Easily done.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Enjoy

You really believe in all of that propaganda?

Just to clarify, this news about Dearborn posted as it is, it calls for retaliation, serves purpose of rising hate between religions... It is old tactics and one of best experts was Goebbels in time of Hitler (tell lie many times until people believe it is true), but people did not learn much since then either. I was born in one of those countries and my family decided to leave just because religion hatred was so high, that we could not see prosperity in the country. And guess what, Muslims were not the one violent, but the one that were victims of brutal massacre, concentration camps, many war atrocities...

At the time of war, news similar to your linked site were telling us all of killings of kids, one soldier told a story of pregnant women being killed and many other staged propaganda all in favor of setting hate and approving next step - clean country of all people who don't share the same religion. Today they are prosecuting news agencies as well reporters for all lies that have led to terrible war crimes. But for many victims it is way to late and no punishment will replace their suffering.

Think twice before you take anything for granted.
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