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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
That's a fair assumption, but untrue. I neither haven't experienced no perceived anything that constitutes life after death. No ones has. So what is someone to do in this case? Blindly believe the claims of others as you do? I know I'm not the only one who is capable and confident enough to trust his own conclusions before the conclusions of others.
No one here is dead. Therefore, no one here can logically say, without lying to themselves at some point, that there is an afterlife. All I hear is people who think they were dead at some point, who, while their brain was under extreme amounts of turbulence and stress, happened to maybe experience something out of the ordinary. This doesn't explain anything at all. It only shows that their body and brain was under considerable enough amount of stress. How can we not at least accept the possibility that this was the cause of "trips to the afterlife and back?"
Originally posted by kalisdad
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
That's a fair assumption, but untrue. I neither haven't experienced no perceived anything that constitutes life after death. No ones has. So what is someone to do in this case? Blindly believe the claims of others as you do? I know I'm not the only one who is capable and confident enough to trust his own conclusions before the conclusions of others.
No one here is dead. Therefore, no one here can logically say, without lying to themselves at some point, that there is an afterlife. All I hear is people who think they were dead at some point, who, while their brain was under extreme amounts of turbulence and stress, happened to maybe experience something out of the ordinary. This doesn't explain anything at all. It only shows that their body and brain was under considerable enough amount of stress. How can we not at least accept the possibility that this was the cause of "trips to the afterlife and back?"
what bothers me most about your posts is that you insist throughout them that 'no one' has experienced these things...
how do you know what anyone else, beside yourself, has experienced?
Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by kalisdad
He's just lost in the semantics of it all.
In his world, death is something you don't come back from.
In the real world, we have a term called, "clinically dead" that happens to some people, and every once in a while they come back. Sometimes even an hour after being pronounced dead!
There's no reasoning with him on this issue. Death is something you don't come back from in his world. Let him live in lala land.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Logic.
Death is permanent. The dead aren't living and thus cannot tell us what it's like after death. Bodies decompose shortly after death. A corpse cannot convey what he sees. I would wager it cannot see at all.
I don't claim to know what others have experienced. I only know that no dead have ever come back to share their observations. I am still logically able to maintain that no one has experienced life after death simply because they're still alive, and that no dead men speak.
The thing that bothers me about posts such as yours, is that everything is a huge assumption based on the claims of others rather than through the use of your own reason, when it's obvious that these people were still alive when they conveyed their claims. A living man can not claim there is life after death when he is still alive.
A man claiming he has seen the afterlife is just the same as a man awakening and saying he went to Mars in his dreams. Why would you believe that?
How have you yourself come to the conclusion there is life after death?
Originally posted by kalisdad
Now my question to you, is at what point after a biological entity's heart and brain stop functioning do you consider them dead?
.edit on 28-6-2012 by kalisdad because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by LesMisanthrope
I would like to ask you these two question especially since your profile says philosopher. Very interested to hear what your thoughts are on this.
Who are you?
When did your life start?
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Originally posted by kalisdad
Now my question to you, is at what point after a biological entity's heart and brain stop functioning do you consider them dead?
.edit on 28-6-2012 by kalisdad because: (no reason given)
When there is no chance of return. If there's a chance they will return I will consider them still alive.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by LesMisanthrope
I would like to ask you these two question especially since your profile says philosopher. Very interested to hear what your thoughts are on this.
Who are you?
When did your life start?
Sorry, this is off topic. We may have a discussion in private if you like.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by LesMisanthrope
I would like to ask you these two question especially since your profile says philosopher. Very interested to hear what your thoughts are on this.
Who are you?
When did your life start?
Sorry, this is off topic. We may have a discussion in private if you like.
Originally posted by kalisdad
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Originally posted by kalisdad
Now my question to you, is at what point after a biological entity's heart and brain stop functioning do you consider them dead?
.edit on 28-6-2012 by kalisdad because: (no reason given)
When there is no chance of return. If there's a chance they will return I will consider them still alive.
who determines that chance??
what about the people that have been declared 'dead' for hours only to be awake the next moment?
what about the baby that is discarded as a stillborn only to be found out later that they are actually alive?
I assume you are not much a person of faith and that you believe that once you are dead that is the end... correct me if I am wrong
Originally posted by kalisdad
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by LesMisanthrope
I would like to ask you these two question especially since your profile says philosopher. Very interested to hear what your thoughts are on this.
Who are you?
When did your life start?
Sorry, this is off topic. We may have a discussion in private if you like.
how is this off topic? we are discussing the suggestion of life after death. if there is life after death, then there is life before life and that makes these questions valid in my opinion
it would give us some insight to you point of view if you were willinmg to discuss these question in the thread
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Chance determines that chance. Is this not as acceptable enough?
Everyone has faith in one thing or another. I just don't have faith in the interpretations and claims of others before I reach the same conclusion.