What Stand Down Did Cheney Order?

Originally posted by kidtwist
then nothing the OS claims matters, because one lie means nothing is to be believed.

And how many lies has the Truth movement told ?

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by kidtwist
then nothing the OS claims matters, because one lie means nothing is to be believed.

And how many lies has the Truth movement told ?

You know full well the 'truth movement' is full of disinfo that is created by people like you to deliberately create confusion amongst those searching for the real truth.

The real people, looking for the REAL truth, have nothing to hide, and no reason to lie.

The OS is a massive lie, and any lies in this so called 'truth movement' are just more OS lies.

When truths are uncovered you lot lie to try and prevent the real truth from surfacing. People are not stupid, they can see through your facade, and the OS facade.

Originally posted by kidtwist


You know full well the 'truth movement' is full of disinfo that is created by people like you to deliberately create confusion amongst those searching for the real truth.

Could you link me to an example of disinfo I have created to deliberately confuse you and your fellow Truthers.

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by kidtwist


You know full well the 'truth movement' is full of disinfo that is created by people like you to deliberately create confusion amongst those searching for the real truth.

Could you link me to an example of disinfo I have created to deliberately confuse you and your fellow Truthers.

No, I cannot be bothered to go through every one of your posts, because pretty much every one has some form of disinfo in them, if people wish to look back over your posts and see for themselves there is a facility here to do that. However, I'm sure the regular people here do not need to go back over your posts to know that you and many other OS defenders post constant disinfo on this and other 9/11 forums.

Originally posted by kidtwist


No, I cannot be bothered to go through every one of your posts, because pretty much every one has some form of disinfo in them, if people wish to look back over your posts and see for themselves there is a facility here to do that. However, I'm sure the regular people here do not need to go back over your posts to know that you and many other OS defenders post constant disinfo on this and other 9/11 forums.

I see. So what you are telling us is that you are just another truther who wont back up his claims with evidence.

Why am I not surprised ?

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by maxella1
No big deal..... except the vice president is not part of the military chain of command.

Agreed. Bush was a party frat boy sent to Washington to do a man's job so it really comes as no surprise that a grown up like Cheney would have stepped in to make the grown up decisions, regardless of what the 9/11 commission said. Heck, if you said Bush was crying in the corner like a little girl not knowing what to do and Cheney was the de facto president on 9/11, I'd listen to what you had to say with rapt attention.

...but how is that relevent to the false claim that Cheney issued a stand down order?

Of cause you come up with another excuse, I didn't expect anything different. you"re saying that Cheney violated the chain of command then Bush and Cheney went into a room holding hands, closed the door and told the commission that it was actually Bush that gave the order but they don't have any kind of proof of that. We just need to trust them.

So to me it look like Cheney violated the Constitution and Bush helped him get away with it.

WHY SHOULD ANYBODY BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY SAY ?

If I would violate the chain of command at my job I would have been fired, and if anybody tried to help me cover it up they would also get fired.

I never said anything about a stand down order, I think Cheney gave an order to shoot down United 93, and that would explain why there were multiple debris sites in Pennsylvania.

But the point is that you would find an excuse for anything they did. Cheney broke the law, but it seems LAW has become optional. I do not have any evidence, i just don't accept your excuses. Just admit that they did a lot of things before and after 9/11 which were illegal. and stop making excuses for them because this is how a country becomes like North Korea, and I think we are almost the same because we allow the government to lie to us, brake the law and destroy civil liberties.

We already have a President who thinks that he can just kill people, and of cause there's an excuse for that.... We are all going to be killed by the terrorists if we don't kill them first, but we don't need to see any kind of poof that these people are terrorist as long as we are safe.

What do you think we have to look forward to if all the previous administrations got away with what they did?

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by kidtwist




I see. So what you are telling us is that you are just another truther who wont back up his claims with evidence.

Why am I not surprised ?

Your TRUTHER remark really defines your character . Hell yes we want the truth , straight up . We have seen so many inconsistencies and out right lies being told to us . We are not a stupid people and we can see and hear News Reports that have slipped through and we hear the conflicting reports and then we are told the President and Vice President will not respond to Congressional inquiry unless it is together so that they both can support the " Official Story " , and their testimony must be not recorded and not a sworn testimony . I believe that Bush sought the services of an Attorney as well . HELL YEA ! I GUESS I'M A TRUTHER

Does that make you a LIAR-ER or just a snot nose ?

Originally posted by 911files
So this is my problem with ATS. Ask a simple question and all I get are people stating blatant lies and fantasy. Not one of you can show me the "stand down" order that Cheney gave, because none was given. That's it for me at ATS. No intelligent discussion to be had here. Just the same old crazy. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.

I won't stop you from leaving. I might even drink a beer for your departure. All I ever hear out of you is YOUR version of how things went down. You are a self proclaimed expert. No love lost here. Now you will have this post deleted for being off topic, but it has served it's purpose. Now you know we dont give a flying fuc about you.

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by kidtwist


No, I cannot be bothered to go through every one of your posts, because pretty much every one has some form of disinfo in them, if people wish to look back over your posts and see for themselves there is a facility here to do that. However, I'm sure the regular people here do not need to go back over your posts to know that you and many other OS defenders post constant disinfo on this and other 9/11 forums.

I see. So what you are telling us is that you are just another truther who wont back up his claims with evidence.

Why am I not surprised ?

What's there to back up?! All your posts are here and can be viewed by anyone who wants to, that is all the back up anyone needs! Why would I waste my time compiling quotes from your threads when they are archived here anyway?!

You're just another OS defending disinfo merchant.

Originally posted by kidtwist
[ Why would I waste my time compiling quotes from your threads when they are archived here anyway?!

You're just another OS defending disinfo merchant.

You're right it would be a waste of your time trying to find disinfo I have posted.

Why don't you spend your time trying to put together an "Official Truther Story" using real "Truther Facts" that makes some kind of logical sense ?

Good luck.

Originally posted by onecraftydudeI won't stop you from leaving. I might even drink a beer for your departure. All I ever hear out of you is YOUR version of how things went down. You are a self proclaimed expert. No love lost here. Now you will have this post deleted for being off topic, but it has served it's purpose. Now you know we dont give a flying fuc about you.

Were there ya go. Here I was pretty much done with my posting here at ATS and definitely done with this thread, and here ya have to go and say something like that. First of all, what you hear out of me is the historical record, not MY version of how things went down. There is such a thing you know, a little something we like to call history. That can be determined by primary historical sources from the event. And I am no "expert" at much of anything, except as it happens I do know as much or more about the radar data sets from 9/11 than anyone else on the planet.

So, since it makes you happy, reckon I'll just stick around for awhile. If for no other reason than knowing that doing so really irks some folks

reply to post by 911files


Whatever. You started a sensationalist thread looking for an argument. You think that since your video does not have Cheney saying to stand down that he never did it. You might also think this was all done by a few Muslim terrorists and all these other things are mere coincidence. Don't worry though, most of the dumb Fox watching Americans would agree because they have no idea what is going on in the world.

You are not privy to all of the information. That is an undeniable fact.

Cheney was in charge of the military that day for exercises. It was unprecedented and most people just dismiss that as coincidence. GHW was in the perfect location to feign innocence, sitting in front of a bunch of grade-schoolers. The reaction to the message he received was classic Hollywood acting. Even during wartime this would never happen without inside help.

So you stick to one little argument that Cheney did not call off the jets. You don't mention all of the BS that happened on the radar that day since you are an expert on that. Why were the jets scrambled out to sea away from NYC? Why was the air-zone above the pentagon cleared? Where are the airplane wings that should be lying on the ground outside the hole in the pentagon?

You can't answer any of these questions yet you will hang on one little thing that you don't even have all the evidence to prove or disprove about Cheney not being responsible for calling off the jets that could have stopped this. Good for you. Maybe Cheney will give you a gold star and let you go hunting with him. Just remember not to talk or you will get your face shot off.

reply to post by onecraftydude


It's really said and pathetic that you are so misinformed that you have resorted to delusion after delusion to form a pathetic misguided opinion that is so far off-base it's near unbelievable.

First of all, the Vice-President of the US is not in the Chain-of-Command, so how do you explain a gross deviation from the basic principles of our nation which you contend would have to be suspended for him to be in charge of the military training exercises being conducted? Don't you think (you obviously don't) that the other leaders in Washington, DC would have objected to that and would have exposed Cheney for the ogre you believe he was?

It is equally pathetic that no "truther" will post to tell you that you're wrong and save you and everyone who knows you're wrong the embarrassment from such a tirade of nonsense..

I won't even bother to reply to the rest of your delusions. The facts of the events at the Pentagon are recorded and documented history, so continue to ignore them as you wish.

Originally posted by Reheat
It's really said and pathetic that you are so misinformed that you have resorted to delusion after delusion to form a pathetic misguided opinion that is so far off-base it's near unbelievable.

First of all, the Vice-President of the US is not in the Chain-of-Command, so how do you explain a gross deviation from the basic principles of our nation which you contend would have to be suspended for him to be in charge of the military training exercises being conducted? Don't you think (you obviously don't) that the other leaders in Washington, DC would have objected to that and would have exposed Cheney for the ogre you believe he was?

It is equally pathetic that no "truther" will post to tell you that you're wrong and save you and everyone who knows you're wrong the embarrassment from such a tirade of nonsense..

I won't even bother to reply to the rest of your delusions. The facts of the events at the Pentagon are recorded and documented history, so continue to ignore them as you wish.

You're the one who's deluded. The President is a puppet. Dick was running the show on orders from the Shadow Thugs above because G. Dubya, son of Nazi and grandson of Nazi is an illiterate, incompetent fool put in office by the wealth and power of the IMF/Rothschild/British Crown. Bush Crime Syndicate is just a subdivision.

Get an education on how the Elite run the show and then you might understand something.

Originally posted by maxella1

Of cause you come up with another excuse, I didn't expect anything different. you"re saying that Cheney violated the chain of command then Bush and Cheney went into a room holding hands, closed the door and told the commission that it was actually Bush that gave the order but they don't have any kind of proof of that. We just need to trust them.

So to me it look like Cheney violated the Constitution and Bush helped him get away with it.

WHY SHOULD ANYBODY BELIEVE ANYTHING THEY SAY ?

BEcuase they're not the ones saying the 9/11 attack was the work of islamic fundamentalists. It's all the scores of eyewitnesses and pieces of information put together showing a trail from Bin Laden to Atta to flight training to hijacking to the impacts that says the 9/11 attack was the work of Islamic fundamentalists. Islamic fundamentalists going out and murdering innocent people all over the world for decades doesn't exactly take them off the suspect list either.

You're coming so close to, and yet you're still so far away from, the reason why we need more investigations. There were so many bad procedures in place and so many outright screwups they admitted to in the 9/11 commission report that it almost verifies the fact there has to me more bad procedures and screwups they're not admitting to, and Cheney possibly giving orders he wasn't authorized to give is one case in point.

If I would violate the chain of command at my job I would have been fired, and if anybody tried to help me cover it up they would also get fired.

If this is genuinely how you feel then you above all people here should be able to relate to my umbrage over the calls for further study on the 9/11 attack being raped by the truthers and those internet con artists and crackpots they're getting their abject paranoia from. Seriously, one guy here even insists the towers were really fake buildings and were actually hollow.

I never said anything about a stand down order, I think Cheney gave an order to shoot down United 93, and that would explain why there were multiple debris sites in Pennsylvania.

Possibly...although they openly admitted they were hunting down flight 93 and they would have destroyed it if they had found it, and plus, Bush acknowledged there was a shoot down order. It makes little sense for them to admit all that and turn around and cover up the fact they shot it down. It also doesn't explain the eyewitness accounts of the plane coming down out of the sky intact (like the one from that guy working in that junk yard...forgot his name).

If they did shoot it down then you're right- that does need to be documented correctly...and we can't do it when characters like Dylan Avery are insisting the crash site was faked and flight 93 secretly landed in Ohio.

But the point is that you would find an excuse for anything they did. Cheney broke the law, but it seems LAW has become optional.

No, actually, it's more of a case that you'll simply insist on hearing what you yourself want to hear. There hasn't been anythign in this post I really disagree with but you'll no doubt continue to insist "I will find an excuse for anythign Cheney did" because of your "us against them" mentality.

Originally posted by Reheat
reply to post by onecraftydude

 

It's really said and pathetic that you are so misinformed that you have resorted to delusion after delusion to form a pathetic misguided opinion that is so far off-base it's near unbelievable.

First of all, the Vice-President of the US is not in the Chain-of-Command, so how do you explain a gross deviation from the basic principles of our nation which you contend would have to be suspended for him to be in charge of the military training exercises being conducted? Don't you think (you obviously don't) that the other leaders in Washington, DC would have objected to that and would have exposed Cheney for the ogre you believe he was?

It is equally pathetic that no "truther" will post to tell you that you're wrong and save you and everyone who knows you're wrong the embarrassment from such a tirade of nonsense..

I won't even bother to reply to the rest of your delusions. The facts of the events at the Pentagon are recorded and documented history, so continue to ignore them as you wish.

Recorded and documented by Fox? CNN? Have you been awake long? They are entertainment news networks so they can say whatever they want and make up any story they like.

As with everything, follow the money. Who made the most money off the wars?

Why Iraq when they had nothing to do with the trade center supposedly?

Oh yeah, the WMD's, I forgot about that made up story. How about the made up story about the Syrian children by Fox that got us involved there? Coincidence? How about the made up story by AC recently?

So why is it so hard to believe that a guy like Cheney is involved in a false flag operation to make himself rich and secure some sand in the middle east? Call me crazy, but I think you are the one who needs to wake up.

reply to post by SimontheMagus


I am intrigued. How was the British Crown involved in putting George W Bush in office exactly ?

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by SimontheMagus

 

I am intrigued. How was the British Crown involved in putting George W Bush in office exactly ?

Do your own research.

Originally posted by SimontheMagus

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by SimontheMagus

 

I am intrigued. How was the British Crown involved in putting George W Bush in office exactly ?

Do your own research.

No I am not going to research that any more than I am going to research shape-shifting lizards. If you make such assertions you should at least make an effort to show why you think like that.,

As you obviously can't why should anyone be interested in your other assertions about 9/11 ?

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by SimontheMagus

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by SimontheMagus

 

I am intrigued. How was the British Crown involved in putting George W Bush in office exactly ?

Do your own research.

No I am not going to research that any more than I am going to research shape-shifting lizards. If you make such assertions you should at least make an effort to show why you think like that.,

As you obviously can't why should anyone be interested in your other assertions about 9/11 ?

I obviously can't? Aside from related bloodlines, why was Nazi Bush Sr. "knighted"? What services to the Crown did he provide to earn such an honor?

I can post a wall of information on the subject anytime I wish. I'm just not in the mood, especially since you're just itching to obfuscate the issue like you just did with the shape-shifting lizards.


So, do your own damn research.