Christ's History ~ Why the Delay In Recording It?

reply to post by smokingmonkey

Very interesting information. Thank you.

It proves I had my dates right as far as Tiberius reigning at the time.

Originally posted by pro-all
reply to post by undo

 

This is all about semantics. I´m perfectly aware of the sun/son wordplay but what I stated is just about Jesus being a metaphor for the sun. Christianity is a creation of occultists who wanted to hide some truths from the masses.

it's a very long story but it goes all the way back to sumerian enki, enlil and anu. it's not an egyptian creation, specifically. egyptian and ethiopian rulers originally derived from mesopotamia, so they took mesopotamian info to egypt and ethiopia when the area was resettled after the black sea flood. it's not a small matter of saying it's egyptian. it's egyptian by way of sumer and akkad.

i think i have enough etymological evidence to suggest sumerian anu was the egyptian amun (amen/amon/omon), which is the "ahmose" / "amose" (moses) and "sol-OMON" derivation. before you go, "oh see, there it is "sol", it's clearly about the "sun god." realize that solomon is the english. the hebrew was "shelomoh" and an even earlier root is "shalam." remember ancient egyptian, hebrew, sumerian and akkadian languages shared the common feature of missing vowels. vowels were added when their cultures began intermixing with other cultures who did have vowels. follow that track. it's really interesting as it reveals stories between neighboring and even far removed cultures, were sharing the same info. differences in etymology is what causes all the confusion.

anyway, i honestly believe jesus was caesarian (son of cleopatra). he wasn't born of julius caesar but was a legal heir as caesar was his adoptive father. that made him heir to the roman empire. he was also the heir to the egyptian kingdoms via cleopatra and, due to cleopatra's ptolemy lineage to king david, he was also the rightful heir of the throne of israel. the story is alot more complex and fantastical than even the bible relates it. that,i believe, is the big secret. and if you think about it, it's fascinating how it all interconnects.

the theory goes that cleo sent him out of the country with some trusted "servents" to protect his life, following the death of casear. she knew the contenders for the throne of rome, would be after him next, as he was the next in line for the throne. so she sent him back to her people in israel. however, he didn't go straight there. he ended up traveling in a caravan with his bodyguards on the silk route, went to a buddhist monastery in tibet, went to india, and a few other places before going to israel. everyone thought he was dead.

the whole virgin isis thing is actually real. it was artificial insemination and there's evidence of it going back for thousands of years.

Originally posted by darke_raven
reply to post by aaaiii

 

see the thread all roads lead to rome... www.abovetopsecret.com...
christ was a myth invented by power hungry romans to create a more profitable system.

Did Rome write the Hebrew scriptures too? Of course not.
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh – Mortal
Kenan – Sorrow
Mahalalel – The blessed God
Jared – Shall come down
Enoch – Teaching
Methuselah – His death shall bring
Lamech – Despairing
Noah – Comfort and rest

Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow, (but) the blessed God shall come down teaching. His death shall bring (the) despairing comfort and rest

Many roads do lead to Rome, but thinking that they wrote the NT is just plain ignorant. Above proves that they didn't. Didn't the "Jews" say that Ceasar was their king whilst they shouted "Crucify Him. Crucify Him" regarding the King of Israel?

reply to post by aaaiii


Nah. . .some of it is still being rewritten. ..remember, the man had so many places to be. I think there are supposed to be a limit on miracles and years we're allowed to be alive, so , yeah, they're still re-writing it.
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Originally posted by pro-all

Originally posted by Azadok2day

It is said by christians that the gospel would be preached to the four corners of the earth before the end. Hello, we are now in 2012, when will the billions of Chinese, Indians and Arabs who have nothing to do with xtianity hear the good news? Give it another million years. What of nature tribes who are yet to be discovered? What if a people choose not to allow preachers in their domain? .

Israel is His Portion.
The Redeemer of Israel.
The Holy One of Israel.

Notice a pattern? Despite hundreds of years of evangelical work, no inroads have been made in Africa, India, China etc. Scripture is clear - it is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that calls a person. It is He that calls and it is He that gives to Jesus. The obvious should be apparent - THEY ARE NOT ISRAEL.

Take out a world globe and circle the nations who have embraced Christ Jesus over the past 1,900 + years. You will find His Israel. Please also note that these nations are floundering as the kids reject Him for anything and everything except Him. These kids have no idea of the time in which they live, and they have no idea that HE IS THEIR GOD.

Originally posted by PrinceDreamer

If Jesus is the son of god, surely an all powerful all seeing god would of seen the need for a written text of his sons life, so that is his words would not be misunderstood or misinterpreted, I mean an all powerful god could arrange that, could he not?

Such a childish response. The same nonsense gets regurgitated over and over. It always goes something like this, "well, if God was all powerful then he would be able to....blah blah blah." or my personal favorite, "then why does God allow so much pain and violence...blah blah blah"

If you knew anything regarding scripture you would understand that while God does have such power, He does not swing it around like a hammer. Hence, we are given free-will and are allowed to do as we choose. So, since we as a race seem hellbent in our selfish, destructive ways, we bring a lot on ourselves.

This is the main problem with humanity. WE DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS. We point fingers, and blame Him. We want to be able to make our own decisions, but we don't want to pay the price for our mistakes....go figure.

reply to post by pheonix358


Wow, never seen a more ignorant reply in my life. Ignorance really must be bliss....

reply to post by pheonix358


That is a statement based purely on assumptions that you have made with little or no actual facts. Be careful forming opinions about something that you know nothing about. If you are going to deny something, atleast know the truth about it first.

For your own sake, look again.

reply to post by aaaiii


Why the delay?

I dunno....maybe they were looking for a birth certificate?

reply to post by jerico65


There is a huge diffence in having proof/knowing something and faith. At that time, they followers of Jesus did not require a certificate of authenticity to tell them what they already knew. The last thing on their minds was to document everything so it could be proven to people 2000 years later.

Plus they were most likely illiterate, and constantly on the move.

Originally posted by jerico65
reply to post by aaaiii

 

Why the delay?

I dunno....maybe they were looking for a birth certificate?

c'mon...everyone knew he was a socialist...he wanted people to work and live together in harmony, hated the money changers, and treated the poor and downtrodden with dignity and respect.

reply to post by FlyInTheOintment


BS....Don't believe your miracles, post proof please or it just didn't happen, I have seen many people claim to preform miracles and each one is BSing.
People can get better with praying but it is just like positive thinking not because they have prayed to Jesus.
Miracles? nothing but chance happening's or positive thinking.

To the OP good question and I think chinese whispers have alot to do with the Jesus story, he probably lived and bought a few hungry people food and over the years the story turned from a few to 5000.
His message? while good I don't think he was the first to think or say "treat others etc etc" that has always been in us since we became Human.

Before all the religions became male (Roman empires fault) most people followed the female religions etc but they died out because of war etc the same will happen to every Religion and in a few generations I think these old outdated Religions will die out.

reply to post by boymonkey74


totally agree with all U say. and FlyInTheOintment is funny till he bring some proof... i use to live in europe, africa and asia... and i hear from the people of different religions about miracles they witness... but never physical proof of it, just words....
for OP s@f, very good question U bring up
i have some my self:
-if Jesus was jew why are christians christians
-if Jews come from africa, how come, Jews are white today included Jesus
?????

Originally posted by lambs to lions

Originally posted by PrinceDreamer

If Jesus is the son of god, surely an all powerful all seeing god would of seen the need for a written text of his sons life, so that is his words would not be misunderstood or misinterpreted, I mean an all powerful god could arrange that, could he not?

Such a childish response. The same nonsense gets regurgitated over and over. It always goes something like this, "well, if God was all powerful then he would be able to....blah blah blah." or my personal favorite, "then why does God allow so much pain and violence...blah blah blah"

If you knew anything regarding scripture you would understand that while God does have such power, He does not swing it around like a hammer. Hence, we are given free-will and are allowed to do as we choose. So, since we as a race seem hellbent in our selfish, destructive ways, we bring a lot on ourselves.

This is the main problem with humanity. WE DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS. We point fingers, and blame Him. We want to be able to make our own decisions, but we don't want to pay the price for our mistakes....go figure.

Childish response? kettle calling pot black there...

God does not like to interfere? So when god spoke to the likes of Abraham, or Cain and Able? What was he doing then? When he caused the flood was he not interfering then? Take your stock puerile answers and shove them. You want to say how god is all powerful, or the best we get is it is all part of gods plan, what BS

I take responsibility for all my actions both good and bad, I make the decisions and act upon them, I do not need to read a work of fiction to know right from wrong, it is people like you that lack responsibility and morality, you have no moral compass, you have no independent thought all you can do is quote scripture and say its the way of things. Stop using a book written by people you never knew who lived in a society you have never experienced and saying that is a template for how you should live. Besides I never met a Christian that was not a hypocrite, preaching doctrine and yet completely disregarding it for themselves, all filled with bile and hate for anyone different from themselves, so christian

TextThere was no organized institutional 'church' until about 300 AD.

reply to post by troubleshooter


You have a good point but we will never know the truth to the question at hand simply because we do not have any original letters in this matter. There are a few ancients such as Josephus who acknowledge that Jesus lived but they say very little of His life.

Even if we had the original writings of the Apostles we still do not know if what they wrote was what they experienced or was merely what they were told. Some thing applies to Moses. We all understand that Moses did not see the world formed or any of the creation but where did he get all of his information? Either it was tradition or writings passed down to him but we will never know the truth of the matter.

Most people believe with a blind trust but to many people that is not enough. Especially when there are so many different bibles and sources for those bibles. We all know that if this is all true then someone is wrong. That is a sure bet but no one seems to admit that they are wrong. You have to remember to always follow the money trail. and power structure. Actually it's similar to politics of today.

I believe one of the main reasons of such a gap in knowledge was because of persecution which bred fear. Another was money. Money was a big factor for these early Christ followers. Most were not privy to animal skins or ink or the knowledge of how to scribe. Scribes were a rich man's possession and not for the ordinary person. Compared to us today we are as kings were. In fact the poor today have much more than kings had in that day. Tradition seems to have been the early church and we all know that tradition is greatly embellished at times. I do not believe we will ever have the answer but it is a great question.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

The church at Smyrna wasn't established until after the martyrdom of Paul. (62-64 ish AD)

Another 'factoid' you picked up from a YouTube video?
The range would be 52 to 64, according to Aune's commentary on Revelation (page lviii).
The basis for this idea that there was no church in Smyrna until later-on is based on a statement by Polycarp. He wrote a letter to the Philippians saying that at the time that Paul wrote Philippians, Smyrna had not yet been evangelized. The problem is figuring out when Paul wrote Philippians.

reply to post by aaaiii


It has to do with the time period. Only scribes and those well educated would have taken notes. The apostles were fishermen, a "doctor", and a tax collector...Christ did not choose them to sit there and write stuff down, he chose them to continue his ministry

Text-if Jesus was jew why are christians christians -if Jews come from africa, how come, Jews are white today included Jesus

reply to post by ZakOlongapo


Great questions --
My understanding is that the very first people who believed that Jesus was the Son of God were really few and far between for a great long time. Most that heard Him during His ministry believed He was a prophet at the most. His deity came after He was put to death and even then it took quite a while to convince people that He was resurrected. The day of Pentecost saw the most at one time and I believe that was a few hundred.

Actually the word Christ followers was condensed to Christians in the era of Acts of the Apostles. Acts 11:26, tells us that " in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians." Later this term applied to everyone who professed to believe that Jesus was the anointed from heaven. From there it took off as a badge of recognizing any believer in Christ Jesus. Today it embraces some cults such as the Jehovah Witnesses who are grouped into this for political reasons or whatever but centuries ago it was a Jewish sect who were the first Christians.
Actually the Jewish Christians of today are the rightful owners of the first Christian church

As for Jews from Africa are concerned - The Arabs and Jews are brothers from the same Father Abraham and not originally from Africa. They were from the son of Noah known as Shem or Shemites or Semites. They were a Hebrew race who became separated from the Arabs through their Father Abraham by different mothers. They are not Hamitic such as the Negro race who settled in Africa after the flood of Noah. They are olive skinned people and not considered African. They did settle in Egypt for about three hundred and fifty to four hundred years because of the drought in biblical days but then returned to their own land after that. Most Hebrews did not mix with the Egyptians but were slaves during their stay in Egypt and kept separate. There are some black Jews from Ethiopia but their numbers are very few. Jews are classified as white by demographics now days but in all honesty I look upon them as more Arabic than white. They certainly are not African or Asian but are more Caucasoid than anything.

Originally posted by AliceBlackman
reply to post by Malcher

 

Or how about Horus ?

edit on 23-6-2012 by AliceBlackman because: spelling correction

I covered Horus in original post, guess you missed it. Also, you have to cite sources and the reason you did not cite a source is?

I just cannot find one single credible source to back up those claims so i have no choice but to conclude that no credible sources exist.

I suspect all these later stories of Mithra, Mithras and probably even Horus are way past exaggeration and that does not even include those points you listed.

Bottom line is: I would love to see the sources from before 1998.

In Islam we believe in Jesus the man also, and his titles (including Christ) and his miracles, we differ in his role however, we believe he was one of the great prophets sent down to lead men back into a state of spirituality (and the reason why there was little literature at the time is probably due to the impressive memory people possessed back then).

Someone mentioned that the Old and New Testaments were written by men, changed over time by men, from the original source. This is one of the reasons why I was put off modern Christianity.

One of the things that appeals to me about the Qur'an, is that it has a stronger basis for claim of being gods words because it was transmitted through a single person, who was a deeply spiritual person with sound moral values far above most people of that time.

This person then had a group of disciples who in turn had many schools of teaching to discourse the knowledge and this chain of tradition, this link in knowledge goes all the way back from our time to theirs without any changes to the Qur'an and any major alterations of the knowledge (transmitted through the science of hadiths).

Yes there are factions now and you have people who have embellished or tarnished the teachings (like the extremists etc) however the teachings are 99% intact which is a feat in itself when we are witnessing history being literally rewritten in books across our schools (and entire volumes of texts disappearing completely!).

"Jesus, Son of Mary" as he is known in the Qur'an, is a fitting title for someone who must have been an exemplary character in a time when people were lost to the vices of this world.

I believe there are some old scriptures and unchanged biblical text around however it is getting harder and harder to find anything that covers the time of Jesus Christ, possibly old Aramaic text (again getting harder to access the material when it's being removed from book shelves).

Adios.