Why man is not allowed into hell

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Perhaps you might read further into the chapter?

You'll notice he says people in heaven nether marry nor are given in marriage...

They tried to trick Jesus with the analogy of the woman with seven husbands... but he knew the answer

So ask yourself again, who created marriage?

edit on 24-6-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)

You're right, people in Heaven don't marry, but the verses I quoted were relating to male and female on earth.

The problem is you and everyone else has the same spirit which will continue on after the death of the body... usually without actuallly realizing it...

The flesh matters little... Marriage is simply a piece of paper that is legally binding...

IF it was a true "marriage" from God, there would never be a need for divorce... that is what Jesus was saying...

From the beginning you should not put away your wives...

reply to post by Akragon


The problem is when I give these answers, there is so much background information that is missing, that people do not understand what I mean. I answer one question, then there are 10 questions on top of that one. I think I just need to explain in full detail my full response.

reply to post by jhill76


Here is your quote:

Yes, they do. Marriage between a man and a woman, was added to the bible by man. Take a gay male, he is very feminine, but his spirit is of female. He will be attracted to other males, because his pair is of male, if that makes sense.

You clearly said that marriage between a man and a woman was added to the Bible by man, but Jesus obviously had something to say about marriage on earth in Matthew 19. What else could I be talking about?

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Then, why did Jesus go out of his way to say:

Matthew 19:4-6

4) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Jesus is stating that it was God who joined male and female together and that it was God's wish that no man tear this union apart. I think it's very specific. As we can see from earth, man is clearly trying to tear this union apart.

reply to post by Deetermined


Jesus is saying join together. The entire marriage thing is of mans own words.

When I said marriage between a man and a woman, I meant the marriage as man knows today as a collective, not a direct quote. As there are other verses in the bible speaking on this in more detail that were of mans thoughts. Again, above will recognize a gay partnership as marriage, if the two are male and female spirits. Above sees in spirit, not physical.

reply to post by jhill76


Please share those verses that you're speaking about.

reply to post by jhill76


Really? So, Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for what reason? What was it that they were doing that was so wicked in God's eyes that they were destroyed?

Originally posted by Deetermined
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Really? So, Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed for what reason? What was it that they were doing that was so wicked in God's eyes that they were destroyed?

They were destroyed because of their sins as a whole, not because it was gay men/women amongst them. Father would not give the order because of one sin, it would need to be many.

Just as the people of Katrina was given unto judgement. Father will not share the details of each sin with man. Like John did this, Josh did that, etc. Only as a collective.

reply to post by jhill76


I'll go along with that.

Now tell me, what were the MANY sins that they were committing?

Originally posted by Deetermined
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I'll go along with that.

Now tell me, what were the MANY sins that they were committing?

Having sex with multiple partners with both men and women who were not their pairs, practicing other rituals that were not of God, not knowing love, crimes against people.

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So, if God only recognizes the nature of the spirit and not the physical, why even mention that homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord?

Originally posted by Deetermined
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So, if God only recognizes the nature of the spirit and not the physical, why even mention that homosexuality is an abomination unto the Lord?

If two females spirits are engaged in this activity for example, then it is not right. Not all gay partners are of the opposite sex.

Originally posted by Akragon

The flesh matters little... Marriage is simply a piece of paper that is legally binding...

Sorry, I doubt that there were legal documents back in the time of Jesus when all of those weddings were taking place. I'm pretty sure they took place as a ceremony before the eyes of God for a purpose.

IF it was a true "marriage" from God, there would never be a need for divorce... that is what Jesus was saying...

What this is saying is that all marriages would have been true and there wouldn't be a need for divorce if we hadn't fallen into a sinful nature. In the beginning, God created man perfectly in his image.

reply to post by Deetermined

In the beginning, God created man perfectly in his image.

Not entirely. He created evil, so that man may be tested. If he created man perfectly, we wouldn't be having this discussion as of now, because man wouldn't have never given in.

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Well, I guess that means that God didn't create perfect angels either since some have fallen. So, I guess even angels are capable of being wrong.

Which, by the way, didn't I see someone in another thread claim to be like you, but stated that you only had your facts 70% right and 30% wrong?

Originally posted by Deetermined
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Well, I guess that means that God didn't create perfect angels either since some have fallen. So, I guess even angels are capable of being wrong.

Yes, this is correct. Even today, there are many that are reprimanded for various actions. But, not in the giving of information, Father would not allow that.

Originally posted by Deetermined
Which, by the way, didn't I see someone in another thread claim to be like you, but stated that you only had your facts 70% right and 30% wrong?

He spoke of going above, he has never been. The furthest he has been is to the center. Father would not allow him to come into the temple (where all the information is stored) under any circumstances. Even most of the angels are not allowed into the temple.

To even access a book (rather a soldier to an arc), you will have to go through the librarian. He will have to read you the information, you cannot look into it.

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Which brings me back to the Bible.

If it was all inspired by God, why would he only allow the words spoken by Jesus to be completely accurate and some of the information written by the prophets wrong? Why shouldn't we believe that God is capable of correcting man when writing about that which is inspired by God? What's the purpose for getting some of it right and some of it wrong?

Originally posted by Deetermined
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Which brings me back to the Bible.

If it was all inspired by God, why would he only allow the words spoken by Jesus to be completely accurate and some of the information written by the prophets wrong? Why shouldn't we believe that God is capable of correcting man when writing about that which is inspired by God? What's the purpose for getting some of it right and some of it wrong?

So that man will not be dependent upon a book, but rather God. If that makes sense. The way things are, it makes you ask questions. Everything is done for a reason.