Why man is not allowed into hell

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

"The other places"? Why so vague?

This is how I refer to things when speaking. The other places is other worlds where Father has placed humans, each one has it's own set of parameters. (Orders, Religion, languages, etc.).

It is easier for others to ask for me to clarify on a point, as I understand these things from my point of view. It is vague to the reader, but not I, if that makes sense.

For example, when I speak to say, Michael, I just say, "What happened elsewhere?" He will automatically know what I mean. I am more used to speaking to them, than I am here, thus the unclarity in what I write.

If I went in detail on every point I write, I will not have enough space on here to write it all. So, I touch on it briefly and wait until someone asks of me to clarify or go more in detail.

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

"The other places"? Why so vague?

This is how I refer to things when speaking. The other places is other worlds where Father has placed humans, each one has it's own set of parameters. (Orders, Religion, languages, etc.).

It is easier for others to ask for me to clarify on a point, as I understand these things from my point of view. It is vague to the reader, but not I, if that makes sense.

For example, when I speak to say, Michael, I just say, "What happened elsewhere?" He will automatically know what I mean. I am more used to speaking to them, than I am here, thus the unclarity in what I write.

If I went in detail on every point I write, I will not have enough space on here to write it all. So, I touch on it briefly and wait until someone asks of me to clarify or go more in detail.

edit on 1-1-2013 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)

How about some explanation as to how, precisely, you "speak to angels", as you seem to be claiming? Maybe an explanation as to what your "point of view" is, and how that is somehow difefrent than that of any other person? What, or who, is it that you are claiming to be?

If you don't go into detail, on such radical and unusual comments, you might as well not bother posting them, because people on ATS are not simply going to accept, at face value, such claims, without even so much as a good explanation.

You have written about talking to angels, about having a different point of view from others here, and claimed various other "knowledge" that, frankly, is FAR from Biblical, and thus should be questioned. In a forum in religious matters, people are going to have questions, and expect some valid response. They want those responses in the thread, too, not in a PM. People reading the thread have a reasonable expectation that the OP will be clear in what they post, that they will support their statements for all to see, and not be evasive. Claims that you don't have time, or space, or comments to "ask father" don't cut it.

So, awaiting clear explanations.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

If you don't go into detail, on such radical and unusual comments, you might as well not bother posting them, because people on ATS are not simply going to accept, at face value, such claims, without even so much as a good explanation.

This is everyone's right here. If the thread is of no interest, the reader will just disregard it and move on. But, there are some who find use in this information and they indeed do go to their guardian or Father and ask of it. Not all can be shared, as in details that some ask on here, as I have gotten reprimanded on giving too much.

I have answered your other items on here, in the other thread in which you posted similar questions.

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

If you don't go into detail, on such radical and unusual comments, you might as well not bother posting them, because people on ATS are not simply going to accept, at face value, such claims, without even so much as a good explanation.

This is everyone's right here. If the thread is of no interest, the reader will just disregard it and move on. But, there are some who find use in this information and they indeed do go to their guardian or Father and ask of it. Not all can be shared, as in details that some ask on here, as I have gotten reprimanded on giving too much.

I have answered your other items on here, in the other thread in which you posted similar questions.

edit on 1-1-2013 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)

So, you are saying you can't support your statements. It isn't about interest, but about honesty. I don't know anyone that finds unsupported information useful. If they do, then they should perhaps learn how to be more careful, lest someone sell them a bridge.

Why is it that you think Christians need some "guardian"? Someone in one thread mentioned that to you, and you never responded. I am asking now. Christians, when they accept Jesus (who is God) as Savior, are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and do not need some other "guide" to instruct them. We have the Spirit, and we have the Bible. Trying to communicate with other spirits is very dangerous. People that attempt such things end up contacting a demon, and that brings a host of problems. Some can even become possessed.

When we pray, which is how we talk to God (God the father, in that case), we don't open a direct, audible conversation. That isn't how God answers prayers. He speaks to us in other ways. Through the Holy Spirit, sometimes through other believers, through circumstances.

Who, exactly, would reprimand you and why, if all you are doing is sharing information? The God of the Bible doesn't reprimand people for sharing the truth of His Word.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

Why is it that you think Christians need some "guardian"? Someone in one thread mentioned that to you, and you never responded. I am asking now. Christians, when they accept Jesus (who is God) as Savior, are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and do not need some other "guide" to instruct them. We have the Spirit, and we have the Bible. Trying to communicate with other spirits is very dangerous. People that attempt such things end up contacting a demon, and that brings a host of problems. Some can even become possessed.

Their is no think. I will provide references as some require of it.

Matthew 18:10

“See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven.

Psalm 91:11

For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways.

Zechariah 1:10

So the man who was standing among the myrtle trees answered, ‘These are they whom the Lord has sent to patrol the earth.’

The guide does not guide like you have assumed here. The guide will simply give instructions like, watch out for that car, etc. Many can attest to this. The guide will also protect from harm. If you have the gift of sight, you will be able to see how the angels as you call them protect their charges from harm.

When we pray, which is how we talk to God (God the father, in that case), we don't open a direct, audible conversation. That isn't how God answers prayers. He speaks to us in other ways. Through the Holy Spirit, sometimes through other believers, through circumstances.

Father does speak, but man does not listen. You can search the bible for many references to Father speaking to the receiver. Man has chosen not to listen to him, that does not mean he does not speak.

Who, exactly, would reprimand you and why, if all you are doing is sharing information? The God of the Bible doesn't reprimand people for sharing the truth of His Word.

Their is a difference between the sharing the truth of His Word or giving too much of above to man, as Paul has written:

2 Cor. 12:3-4

And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.

and then we have John.

Revelation 10:3

And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from heaven saying, d“Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down.”

Originally posted by jhill76
Their is no think. I will provide references as some require of it.

That means literally nothing. There is thinking, and claiming that there isn't is foolish.

Matthew 18:10 refers to children. He tells them that those children are always watched over, and warns against treating them badly. He speaks of guardian angels, not "guide" angels, as you have referred to them. There is a HUGE difference. The other verses you referenced also refer to guards, not guides. Angels can, and do, guard His children, but that doesn't mean we use some weird technique to communicate with them, and play 20 questions. You have spoken (in various places) of that sort of communication, and that simply isn't how things work. On some occasions, angels have appeared physically to people, but no medication, OBE, or anything like that is needed in those cases. You are trying to mix things in to what God has stated that are better left alone, that God tells people to avoid.

Leviticus 19:31 - Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 - There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

There are other verses - 1 Chron 10:13-14, 2 Chrin 33:6, John 14:26, 15:26, and 16:13. it is very clear that God doesn't want people trying to talk to spirits.

Originally posted by jhill76
The guide does not guide like you have assumed here. The guide will simply give instructions like, watch out for that car, etc. Many can attest to this. The guide will also protect from harm. If you have the gift of sight, you will be able to see how the angels as you call them protect their charges from harm.

YOU called them guides, not I. You also spoke of people talking with them, asking questions, and the like. That is, as I have shown in those verses, not what God wants us to do.

Originally posted by jhill76
Father does speak, but man does not listen. You can search the bible for many references to Father speaking to the receiver. Man has chosen not to listen to him, that does not mean he does not speak.

I notice you never say God, when saying "Father". Plus, I stated that we don't need to do some sort of spirit channeling to talk to God, nor is this typically an audible conversation. Plus, statements like "Man has chosen" are too general, and not accurate, as there are many that are receptive to God's will, to His word, to His message to them. I stated that the way you describe it isn't accurate.

Originally posted by jhill76
Their is a difference between the sharing the truth of His Word or giving too much of above to man, as Paul has written:

2 Cor. 12:3-4

And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.

and then we have John.

Revelation 10:3

And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from heaven saying, d“Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down.”

edit on 1-1-2013 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)

You didn't answer the question. You are also writing things down, and if you claim that you are not to speak of them, you should not reference them at all. John didn't drop hints of things that God told him to keep silent about; he simply kept silent. You, on the other hand, drop hints, and act as though you have some sort of special revelation. There is no reason at all that anyone should believe this, and in fact, reasons that they should not. We are warned, time and time again, of false prophets, false teachers.

1 Corinthians 14:33 - For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

What you are offering, with vague statements, unsupported assertions, and avoidance tactics, is confusion to those that are unable to see through to the truth.

Double post, for some reason. Never saw that before....

Originally posted by NorthKorea
reply to post by jhill76

 

That is very interesting. I really want to know, what is up with the media over youtube having conspiracy theorist explaining the existence of Grey Aliens and Nephilims existing in this universe. Do they have any connection to existence of GOD as well as the Angels?

I will offer you a far more clear answer than what you got. There are many good indications that those things people call "grey aliens" are actually demons. Nephilim are something else; they are the offspring from a breeding of angels with humans, as spoken of in the Bible, pre-Flood. We are told, in the Bible, that "as it was in the days of Noah", it would be in the times when Jesus returns, which many scholars take to mean that those will exist again in the End Times. You might note the remarkable similarities in so many legends, of strange beings mating with humans. Even the "greys" are said to make "hybrids". Nephilim.

Originally posted by jhill76
Anything they can do to distract you from Father, they will utilize. The Nephilims, are not allowed to wander, as they are locked up in the prison above.

Are you speaking about the people who claim the existence of these?

That response isn't exactly accurate. It is a fact that demons will use any means they can to keep people from hearing the Word of God, but that business about some "prison" is totally unsubstantiated, and the person that posted it refuses to explain. If those exist, we are NOT told where they are, and they would certainly not be in a prison at this time. No, they would be used to further the plans of the enemy in the time he has left.

Hope that helps clarify the matter better than what you were told this past summer.

reply to post by jhill76


I asked for a bit of clarification.....is this not something that you can share? What exactly are you claiming to be?

How do you account for the NDE of people that have no cultural ethos of heaven and hell? It cannot be a mental experience if no knowledge of that point of view is present in that culture?

Originally posted by guitarplayer
How do you account for the NDE of people that have no cultural ethos of heaven and hell? It cannot be a mental experience if no knowledge of that point of view is present in that culture?

They can still be shown scary (subjective?) images of other places that are out there. But, man can not physically or spiritually go into hell where the one not spoken of resides. Most of the time, they go to other places that are not pretty to the natural eye, but not where the true darkness lies.

How do you know man cannot go into hell, nor into the place where true darkness lies? Do you mind telling us who or what told you, and sharing your experience of when and where?

Originally posted by jhill76

Originally posted by guitarplayer
How do you account for the NDE of people that have no cultural ethos of heaven and hell? It cannot be a mental experience if no knowledge of that point of view is present in that culture?

They can still be shown scary (subjective?) images of other places that are out there. But, man can not physically or spiritually go into hell where the one not spoken of resides. Most of the time, they go to other places that are not pretty to the natural eye, but not where the true darkness lies.

Four days, and no response? Gee, what a surprise. So, I guess you have no real answers.

The entire thread still awaits an answer as to how, exactly, you come by this "knowledge" you share.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Four days, and no response? Gee, what a surprise. So, I guess you have no real answers.

The entire thread still awaits an answer as to how, exactly, you come by this "knowledge" you share.

This answer has been given many times.

You may keep going into my threads and keep asking, but it will not evoke a response from I.

Others here knows all that is to know of how and where, no response does not equate to evil, that is an excuse man commonly uses to things it does not understand.

Originally posted by jhill76

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Four days, and no response? Gee, what a surprise. So, I guess you have no real answers.

The entire thread still awaits an answer as to how, exactly, you come by this "knowledge" you share.

This answer has been given many times.

You may keep going into my threads and keep asking, but it will not evoke a response from I.

Others here knows all that is to know of how and where, no response does not equate to evil, that is an excuse man commonly uses to things it does not understand.

Where, exactly, has this answer been given? A link to the post will suffice. I have read a LOT of your threads, searching for the answer you claim to have given, and I don't see it anywhere. Or was that one of those things for PM only, that you refuse to admit in the thread itself?

You may keep claiming to have answered, but the proof is still missing. No, "others here" keep asking the same questions, and getting no answers. People claiming things they can't support tend to evade the questions. You can disagree all day, and continue to evade, and thus support my points.