The WTC 7 thread to end WTC7 threads

Originally posted by LoonyConservative
Your right, this IS beating a dead horse.

Where is all the oil imports from Iraq? years later why are gas prices so high? You take a theory on WTC7 and turn it into Cheney bashing.

So no the evidence is not in my face.. if you look at the debris field WTC7 was covered in it, and was damaged . oh and some of that debris was on fire.. seems to me that the logical thing to do would be indeed to "pull it" instead of wasting more and more resources on a building that cant be saved, when those same resources could be used to help injured people etc.

There was nothing for Larry to gain by bringing 7 down... the lease for the WTC complex was for 1, 2, 4 and 5... Larry was involved with WTC 7 in that his company was the one that built it. but at the time of 2001 he only owned the leases to 1 2 4 and 5

edit on 20-6-2012 by LoonyConservative because: (no reason given)

Beating a dead horse is the FACT that you debunkers inevitably attack these threads within seconds of them being posted. Your desperation to support the lie is becoming so ridiculous that you are just digging your own grave and adding to the mountain of evidence that will be held against you.

Don't you realize you can't hide behind some "annonymous" avatar? All the same bots and crawlers used by NSA will be used to bring all guilty parties to justice. Your team lost. Face it.

Finally, good ole Larry had plenty to gain if this was a blood ritual, a sacrifice to some Luciferian idol. He is going to a very dark place next go round. There may be hope for some of the shills if they admit their part before its too late.

Symmetry, free fall speed. "Pull it." Case closed.

Roll out the guillotine.

It's been a 11 years since 9/11, I believe it's safe to say that "they" (the govt) has gotten away with it..... Just stick 9/11 into the conspircay files because nobody will ever be charged for the crimes that were committed on that fateful day... I hate to say this, but I feel like us "truthers" have lost the good fight....

No convincing needed here. It's obvious that demolition was involved. A quick search on Google will show numerous buildings that burned for hours on end, completely gutting them, leaving no more than a skeleton but they never fell.

I don't care about Bush, Cheney or anybody else. Dr. Seuss could have been President at the time and it would'nt change the facts of what happened. So many idiots use politics as their argument for a physics discussion it just gets old after a while. Try this;

Put away your partisan, egotistical blinders and seek the truth! Too damn many people are more concerned with being right rather than what is right! The fact that somebody is too ignorant to observe and acknowledge the facts doesn't actually change them.

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Not only the truthers lost that day, but look what happened during the Bush administration that followed 9/11. Look at how Hurricane Katrina was handled. Look at the deregulation of the financial services industry, the derivatives crisis, the bank bailouts. Look at the fake foreign wars that caused hundreds of thousands of completely innocent people, including old people, women and children to lose their lives.

And why? Because the American people are too lazy to arrest the criminals they elect to high office.

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How do you suggest the american people handle this?? Its not like you can go out and start doing "citizens" arrests on anyone you suspect of doing wrong... The US Govt.has too much power now and the people who really scare me are the ones we dont know about who are pulling all the strings... Its hard to attack an enemy you dont necessarily see...

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You are absolutely right. Of course the term "Americans" is a relative term. The current generation of Americans has put up with way, way, way more tyranny from the current generation of crooks than the Americans of the Revolutionary War ever put up with from King George the Third. I wonder how that generation would handle a problem like this. One where the crooks control the courts. There's a puzzle.

I'm not getting into the debate here on if the building was brought down by demolition or not. I do want to say that the windows could very easily shatter or explode from the building flexing well before that distortion could be seen by eye, particularly on a long shot on a grainy video. I worked construction in New York, (not the city) and on one building, they didn't dig the footers deep enough. In the winter, the ground froze and heaved, which pushed the footers up because they weren't deep enough, It was only 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch, but it was enough to put pressure on the window frames, shattering the glass. At hundreds of feet or more, likely much more, you could not possibly see a building flex 3/4 of an inch... So I could very easily accept that the windows shattered or exploded from the flexing of the building in the very early stages of collapse, seconds before movement would be visible.

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Maybe it is time to set up an independant criminal court inside the United States to deal with issues related to 9/11. An American law professor is involved in attempts to get members of the George W. Bush administration indicted for war crimes at the International Criminal Court in The Hague. But maybe it is time for Americans to do something of this nature on their own soil.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



I don't advocate revolution or civil war, but I do advocate legal action, even if it is bootstrapped by the people and by-passes the compromised legal system.

Originally posted by LoonyConservative
Your right, this IS beating a dead horse.

Where is all the oil imports from Iraq? years later why are gas prices so high?

you just answered your own question. oil prices are determined by supply, more supply, lower prices.

controlling iraqs oil isn't about selling it, but making sure it doesn't reach the market.

driving up prices and increasing profits.

You all should really try hyperdimensional thinking rather than primitive holographic thinking.

Its actually 1000 times better than HD and you become wiser than serpents and owls combined.

Of course you will be called mentally ill by the majority, be somewhat unemployable, and not have many friends but WOW.
The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force and your lack of faith does not disturb me one bit.

Blind trust in our government is the Achilles heel of earth. We're all f#ed because too many people think that those evil rich bastards that run our countries actually care about your family, your life and your rights. These "people" who can kill millions upon millions of men, women and children for a quick buck or to take over some new land can be trusted to put you and your family first, because they're on "your" side, right? Gullible idiots!

Even in the highly unlikely event that 9/11 was simply a successful terrorist attack by a bunch of sandal-wearing maniacs, look at the aftermath. What an utter failure and embarrassment, America. ~3000 innocent people died in those towers. 109,032+ people have died since the invasion of Iraq, including 66,081+ civilian Iraqi deaths, according to Wikileaked Iraq War documents. Do you feel better yet? Saddam would be very proud.

Honestly guys, regardless of whether or not 9/11 was done by the government or by a terrorist cell, you cannot justify that many unnecessary deaths. Is the world any safer now? Do you feel free? Do you still feel like the Best Country in the World? Are those 3,000 poor bastards who died in the towers alive again? Do you think they're proud of their country for this retributive slaughter?

9/11 was a tragedy, but America's response was even more tragic. Just because they're brown kids doesn't mean they deserve to die!

Yeah, maybe 9/11 was a legitimate terrorist attack (legitimate = unfunded/planned by American interests). I don't believe it, but I'll entertain the silly idea. But if you ask me, that just means your government let it happen. You have the most sophisticated defense systems and technology in the world, but FOUR (4) un-stealthed passenger planes slipped past your goalie, after dozens of tip-offs and more than an hour's notice since the first hijacking?? What the f# do you pay taxes for then? Even if it was just an honest "accident" and your multi-trillion dollar defense military made a "boo boo", your government should be held accountable for such a mistake - not the Iraqi population. 99.9999999999% of them had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11, and yet their country has been destroyed, raped and pillaged, and some of you still think America was the victim in this "war on terror"????

Don't get me wrong, the victims of 9/11 didn't deserve to die like they did and it was a horrific incident that will live on in our minds for many decades to come I'm sure. But do the deaths of those slaughtered 60k innocent men, women and children make it better? Do you stand proudly by your government's response like a good "patriot" would?

Furthermore, are you happy about the following institution's profiteering?:

Halliburton (OIL) - $17.2 billion+
DynCorp (MIL) - $1.44 billion+
Washington Group International (OIL) - $931 million+
Environmental Chemical (CLEANUP) - $878 million+
Aegis (MIL) - $430 million+
International American Products (ENERGY) - $759 million+
Erinys (OIL) - $136 million+
Fluor (CLEANUP) - $1.1 billion+
Perini (CLEANUP) - $650 million+
URS Corporation (CLEANUP) - $792 million+
Parsons (CLEANUP) - $540 million+
First Kuwaiti (U.S. EMBASSY) - $500 million+
Armor Holdings (MIL) - $634 million+
L3 Communications (CLEANUP) - $1.3 billion+

The list goes on and on and on and on, and this data is from 2006 (!!!). God knows how much more money these companies have made since then in the past 6 years. Around 50% of these companies have had legal action taken against them for making unfair contracting deals with the American military-industrial complex. This is just the surface of what's (still) going on in Iraq.

All this over 3,000 untimely deaths and a few million dollars damage? Really, America? Your country has spent over $1,344,652,398,093 on war since 2001. You're doomed to bankruptcy. All over 9/11? You really think that this is about terrorists? You're now in $15,789,421,922,359 (15 trillion!!!!) worth of debt. This is your government's doing. And you trust these blood-thirsty sadistic mongrels who claim allegiance to NO country, to never attack American people for profit and control? You think that sort of money has a conscience? Do you think the American people would allow this Iraqi slaughter and pillage if 9/11 had never happened?

Trillions of dollars effectively wasted on "National Defense". Passenger jets is the American War Machine's only weakness? And we're supposed to believe that rubbish?? Either your government's completely incompetent, or they're in on the deal. Both possibilities sound ridiculously dangerous to me and in either case, many of your elected officials should be held accountable. The US may be broke - but the CEOs are smiling.

Four more years, right?

I just love it...

"They made the decision to pull it and it collapsed."

Some of those videos show detonations definately inside WTC tower 7.

So obviously the building was rigged up with explosives in the correct locations to collapse the building before 9/11.

They needed some serious firepower to collapse that building. It was obviously rigged before any terrorist attack.

"The WTC 7 thread to end WTC7 threads" - lol

I put a lot of thought into this reply.

Anyone have any comments on the gif I posted on the previous page indicating there were no "explosions" before the building started collapsing?

What if they had explosives in these buildings from the very beginning? Or at least from the time certain agencies with uber-secret information picked up leases? The thought being, that if any kind of massive damage that would require an uncontrollable amount of workers on the premise were to occur (a major security leak), that the buildings could simply be demolished and blamed on said damage? Loss of life deemed negligible versus the chance of any salvaged hard drive ending up in some hackers lair, or recovered documents ending up in the hands of the alternative media...

Just a thought. That would make it a half-mast false flag kinda.

Originally posted by Numbers33four

Originally posted by Atlantien
Ok let's say Mr Silverstein did say "pull it" on that day, then who were the people that risked their lives to go into a building that was unsafe and which had floors burning for several hours, to set up explosives in the building so that they could demolish it? I am sure if you are going to pull a building, someone would have to first check the building out and then set explosives etc.

If no one went in to put explosives in the building and the building was imploded then how was it done unless it was done by remote?

The whole 9/11 thing leaves too many unanswered questions.

I am not saying that I believe this, but the building could have been built with the demolitions in place and disguised as part of the structure. This could have been planned from the start and built in from the start or retrofit at some time after construction.

The towers could not be approved unless they could be taken down in their own footprint. They used baby nukes to perform the task by making a void below the tower and vaporizing the foundation and lower building. An implosion expert did a video and explained the mechanisms involved and showed other demolitions using small nukes. The video was very informative and convincing.

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This is part of a longer interview which is easily found on YouTube. Barry Jennings, an emergency coordinator for the City of New York, says there were explosions inside WTC7, even before either of the WTC towers collapsed.

Basically it is impossible for a building to collapse in near perfect symmetry without the aid of explosives of some kind. Your .gif is a non-starter.

We all know that 911 was an inside job, but then we are freakin wacko conspiracy freaks all wearing tin foil sombrero's aren't we. I don't think the average American wage-slave gives a sh$t. I think that they are so medicated, indoctrinated, corpulant on pink slime burgers and twinkies, glued to the idiot box when not making their minimum slave wage working a Kazillion hours a week to pay the mortgage on a house that they will never own, while the bank just steals money from their accounts and Wall street steals their pensions and Jenny Craig tells them that they are too goddam fat. Poor bastards, purposely made fat, stupid and way overworked by a system that they trusted. Woe to the 1% when they do finally wake up, it will be very ugly for the Wall Street crowd. Imagine whole herds of fat people sitting on little bankster dressed in silk Armani suits. Hear the squishing sound.

reply to post by ipsedixit


Thanks for the reply but I beg to differ about the gif.

The video I made the gif from was being touted as proof that explosions went off before the building started to collapse, which as can be seen is not true.

That's all I was challenging.

Anywho, like I said earlier, I don't get involved with 9/11 threads usually so I think I will leave you guys to it.

Cheers