An Extremely High Tech Civilization Definitely Existed In The Distant Past Of Our Planet

the "debate" is really not a fair one...

on the one hand, we have the mainstream sci community. these are folk who claim

A
that science is a continual process of collective additive improvement and adjustment where old models are replaced by more successul models

and

B
That they are RIGHT about what they tell us.

theres a contradiction built in to this, according to science ITSELF, it isnt RIGHT, it is a close approximation of RIGHT for use NOW until it is replaced by a closer approximation...

the resistance of science to embrace anomalous data is a sad mistake, for it is the anomalous data that offers us the fastest way out of our caveman problem.

looking at the pieces that DO NOT fit our model is the best way to improve our model.

but on the other side we have woowoos, even if they are right, the mainstream has not yet given them the nod, this alone will keep the herd away..

This argument, the discussion of our ancestors and the mysteries of earlier life on this planet, is spoiled by the large number of folk who have already picked sides..

off the top of my head we have the theosophists, the cayce crowd, each of the major religions, the EVD folk, the more specific but related Sitchin people, and the more sci oriented but very similar themes of Hoagland.

i know theres more of us wierdos but this is just for illustration...

then youve got mainstream science, which claims to be free of all the superstitions of the above crowd, but is riddled with assumptions of their own. Many of the assumptions of science are clung to with the strength of a religious belief, and for the same reasons, an old respected man wrote it into a book long ago (LOL)

for example, i took archeology 101 a few years back at the city college for fun. with a straight face my prof told us that the inca had no written language and no knowledge of the wheel. we then learned about the quippas (sp?) or knotted cords which served as a recorded language, and we saw photos of wheeled toys.

the same guy also told us that the Olmec had no knowledge of metalworking, he then went on to tell us that the Olmec were MASTER GOLDSMITHS.

The average debunker is usually satisfied with an appeal to authority type argument. The average wierdo is really doing the same thing, you see it here all the time as people post snips from their authority figures (mainstream or woowoo)

but what we really gotta do instead is OPEN UP OUR EYES. pretty much each of the models on the table has flaws and strengths, which is why each has supporters although we havent found THE TRUTH yet.

we have to be willing to chuck old models and replace them, even if that means we enter into a personal identity crisis and have to redefine ourselves and our role in the world.. ITS A JOURNEY

and it seems that people very much like us have been making that journey here on earth for a very long time.

The regular picture is upsetting itself, we dont have to help that happen, at the age of 42, ive already seen the "official" threshold of civilization get pushed back from greece to egypt to sumer...

now we have harrapa, mojeno daro, marcahuasi, catalhuluk, and a whole lotta other places i cant spell.

but the "regular" folk dont know about these sites, "Regular" folk know what they learned in school...

so if it all started in egypt in 3kbc... and THESE OTHER GUYS were doing it in 15kbc... then we gotta have aliens... but thats only because the official picture says NO SMART PEOPLE. but the official picture is always changing, it just takes time for the academic trickle down effect to hit people outside of specialized fields

but of course theres no reason that say that we DONT got aliens, the 2 arguments dont really have to connect.

what if there was a "high tech" human culture here without aliens? or what if those folk were high tech and had alien contact? or what if those folk "were" aliens (human space colonists arriving on earth from elsewhere)... what if high tech ancient earth humans fled a pole shift and took a long relativistic trip through space and are only coming back home about now after thousands of "local" years? OMG theyd be time travelers, ancient earth people, and aliens from space ALL AT ONCE.

Model Agnosticism is the way to go.

and PS i cant believe nobody posted a pic of the wild haired guy from that alien history tv show (love it!) is that fad already passe?

Nan Madol

famouswonders.com...

heres a site that just boggles the mind... we do things in a way that makes sense to us, but when you look at the ruins of this site, they dont really make sense at all. Nan Madol is a huge complex made from basalt logs cut into cylinders. it doesnt seem (to me) to be a smart way to build something at all. they seemed to use the basalt like logs in a log cabin.

as if cutting and moving stone like that is somehow easier or better than cutting and moving wood.

sites like this lead me to believe that even some of our "primitive" ancestors knew something about moving stone that we dont know today.

its almost as if a primitive people were givien powerful tools but not the knowledge that should have come with it. im speculating here of course...

or NAZCA anyone? im sure many of you have heard of it. of course its been DEBUNKD but have you looked at the shots recently? theres plenty more but heres at least one pic on a link

www.happytellus.com...

of the official nazca theories my fav is that the complex "runway" looking wedge type patters and the long straight lines are a record of water table properties for the area. this one is thought to be reinforced by the serious underground water works found at nazca.

it just makes me wonder how a bunch of "primitives" on the altiplano mapped a water table in the first place instead of moving on toward livible land. even today this area is only sparsely populated

much of the stonework in the old world is very curious indeed. maybe we are 100 percent wrong about the past, and the ONLY things that survived were the stones?

They will say that mount rushmore is a trick of light and shadow, unless they find enough of our power tools to say otherwise, and the few power tools that they do find, will be thought to be religious artifacts, unless they work, in which case they will be snatched up by the current powers that be for a close look..

fingerprints of the gods by g hancock is a nice model free look at this stuff. the only model hancock is selling is that there was a global civilization before history...

this seems to be backed up with cultural links and hard archeo links (like the three doors posted earlier, or the large number of stepped pyramid sites with square courtyards)

if the debunkers dont like the term high tech for this culture, lets redefine it, High Tech according to the Neolithic, sailing the world, mapping, living in cities and making things, not just hiding in caves smashing rocks together.

but for evidence of high tech, many would suggest the precision of the Great Pryamid as a solid argument.

the precision in that monument is not the kind of stuff associated with agriculture, or even seafaring. its the kind of precision associated with industry or even optics... it just wasnt required to make a tomb with those characteristics...

so if necessity is the mother of invention, then what was going on at Giza in the day?
much of the woowoo argument centers on HOW it was made... thats not what trips me up..

i wanna know HOW IT WAS MEASURED... i bet they werent using rope lines and squinting, its just too good.

a good look at the precision is in the work of Christopher Dunn, even if you dont like his power plant theory, his measurements are neato-keen..

heres a link to "advanced machining in ancient egypt"

www.gizapower.com...

theres also a great write up on chris dunns site about a certain drill core in the petrie musem... more on that in a bit

flinders petrie had collected a number of oddments over the course of his career.

one of them is a drill core

this drill core shows a feed rate (through granite) of 1 tenth of an inch PER TURN of whatever tool was being used.

NOTE THAT WE DONT HAVE THE TOOL

but we have the record of the marks that it left behind in stone

and as it grooved its spiral way into GRANITE... it did so at a rate of 1 full inch for every 10 turns.

i once helped my brother in law hang a modern stone shower in his place in denver. we burned out 2 power drills and murdered a handfull of tungsten bits. made 3 trips to home depot buying better and better stuff to get the job done.

these didnt have home depot.

1 inch through granite on 10 turns? it is seriously jaw dropping and we have the evidence IN STONE.

www.gizapower.com...


and for those who dont want to read all the pages, a link to the "evidence" page, allowing you to skip the context and argument.

www.gizapower.com...

recently someone posted an "old fashioned" ultrasonic method for drilling in this forum, ill grab a link and slap it in

shadow herder, thanks for a good read

www.abovetopsecret.com...

No better than this one.
they died off and we will to.

some of the goverment scum hiding in the deep bunkers will survive.
and this silly game will start over.
I wounder how many time it has hapend?
and how many to come? sad...

It is so stupid of them to hid the Technology from us.
look what people do with what we have now.
we could make advances faster with more help.

I dont understand what they get from keeping us running as slave?
are they realy that happy with it?
they cannot tel us the truth now.
thet fear what we would do to them.

It is so stupid of them to hid the Technology from us.
look what people do with what we have now.
we could make advances faster with more help.

I dont understand what they get from keeping us running as slave?
are they realy that happy with it?
they cannot tel us the truth now.
thet fear what we would do to them.

reply to post by Thunderheart


plastic we have all heard this arguement before , but why should anyone assume that a past high tech civilization

would be as stupid as this one and polute the planet with plastic waste .

is it not possible that they used a different material to plastic that was biodegradeable .

and has anyone considered that the earth could have shifted in the far passed and what was dry land is now under the sea.

or maybe that during the melting of the ice age the shifting ice scrubed the earth clean of the remains of their civilization.

there could even be the possibilty that the so called aliens are our ancestors that had escaped the upheaval and have now come back but due to the different evolution of ourselves and themselves full contact is proving difficult

there is so much that we just don't know and maybe never will.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by benrl

Exactly. The thing is, high technology just doesn't exist in a vacuum. It exists within an equally high-tech infrastructure. High technology things require precision. Precision requires machines. Machines require maintenance and power sources

Take the Toba catastrophe, A few asteroid strikes, a few super volcanoes, an ice age are two...

How much would be left of our civilization after such events? might the next Civ start out with some crazy creation story and maybe a few scattered monoliths of Ours to remind them?

The Thera volcano blew up with a mighy explosion and left the Akrotiri on the same island, some event preserve materials also like Pompeii

A world wide civilization to be erased would require a natural event(s) that would easily show up in the geological record.....

And they did, ice ages, volcanic eruptions, floods, and not to mention the few sights around the world containing Massive Craters that could possibly be explosions from bombs?(since no one really KNOWS) an Advanced Ancient Civilization and maybe even multiple civilizations, millions of years apart, is a very reasonable idea, and even if we did, or do discover something, it would be so alien to us, that we would think ALIENS or HOAX, and not much else of it.
But what evidence would you find if the extinction event was artificial? And look at the moon also, behaves, and looks like an artificial structure to me

reply to post by XaniMatriX


Xenimatrix i agree, the moon itself is an OOPART

when folk start to understand that some of my views are "off kilter" they sometimes try to tease or provoke me gently (i work in a tavern steakhouse and the drinkers get rowdy)

once the game is afoot, i ask them to look into the orbital mechanics of the moon.

this cuts to the chase right away and lets my target know "im crazy"
but it also gives my target something to think about..

so to the true unbelievers out there, the ones that think that everything is "normal"

take a hard look at the moon and its movement.

a few things to consider

the capture model and the ejection model both require such precise forces that we might as well start talking about attitude jets. and why not? since bright lights have been seen on the moon from time to time by folk here on earth with telescopes (transient lunar phenomena)

i only mention attitude jest because it rotates with us, only showing us one face, and fits into the eclipse point so precisely, its the signature of the artists and engineers who parked it there.

but im a lunatic, youre mileage may vary

reply to post by TheProphetMark


Granite is an igneous rock meaning it is formed in fire. How could anything get embedded in it? Maybe a sedimentary rock could have something embedded into it but if you know anything about how rocks are formed you know that igneous rocks are formed from molten lava. Sedimentary rocks are rocks that are formed in river beds where the material is layed down by minerals in the water which over time compress. Slate is a form of this type of rock. Then you have metamorphic rocks which are rocks that are changed over time by pressure or chemical processes. A metamorphic rock used to be a different kind of rock and has been changed. I dont think you can get anything embedded here either.

Originally posted by wtbengineer
reply to post by benrl

 

Exactly, I have no problem believing that the whole of history has repeated itself in cycles. What would be left of our civilization in 10,000 years if we were to destroy ourselves now. Not much I'd say, except the odd anomoly like we find now.

PLASTIC

reply to post by PlanetXisHERE


Are you sure thats not just a mountain?

reply to post by buddha


It hasent happend yet. It might I guess, If there had been an advanced civilization before ours there would be plenty of evidence left behind. There is not. Knowledge of how granite is formed precludes anything being embedded into it leaving only the word hoax behind to tell the tale.

reply to post by tom.farnhill


Sure sure, and what was once under the sea is now a mountain above ground. There is no evidence that any advanced civilization came before ours. Why would they have a three pronged plug? Do we have three pronged plugs? Does that even look remotely like the things we plug into the wall? No it doesnt look like a modern day plug at all. The prongs are round. I dont know what that picture is showing but one thing its not showing is a plug or garanite. It looks like concrete to me which would make this perfectly logical. ( and not ancient at all)

A more advanced civilization probably did exist,but in a different way.
A different way of thinking.

Not technologically,as our society is,but in the understanding of our surrounding universe.
And understanding of nature and how to use those things without having to create something.
It's already there.

Just my thoughts on it.

Peace,
K

reply to post by XaniMatriX


Duh, we know the craters did not come from bombs.Explain the craters on the moon then. More bombs ? Star wars? or maybe just maybe asteroids.

Originally posted by XaniMatriX
And they did, ice ages, volcanic eruptions, floods, and not to mention the few sights around the world containing Massive Craters that could possibly be explosions from bombs?(since no one really KNOWS) an Advanced Ancient Civilization and maybe even multiple civilizations, millions of years apart, is a very reasonable idea, and even if we did, or do discover something, it would be so alien to us, that we would think ALIENS or HOAX, and not much else of it.

The thing is, it takes thousands of years to make an advanced civilization, and they leave marks on the land... like mines where they dig ore and so forth. Primitive humans didn't just fall out of the tree and say "okay -- today I'm inventing polyester and digital watches." In order to have digital watches, you need factories, and those need electricity (or some sort of power) and to develop that you have to go through a whole chain of things.

Every one of those (the move from hunting with stone spears to developing metal arrowheads) leaves evidence. People learned to build huge cities by learning first to build little mud houses with streets that didn't really follow any set map. They didn't just walk out of Africa and suddenly build New York City with stone axes and fire.

Each progressive step leaves traces.

Even a civilization that ran on magic and crystals would leave a lot of traces (things changed, things moved, garbage pits, etc.)

Originally posted by uwascallywabbit
the "debate" is really not a fair one...

on the one hand, we have the mainstream sci community. these are folk who claim

A
that science is a continual process of collective additive improvement and adjustment where old models are replaced by more successul models

and

B
That they are RIGHT about what they tell us.

theres a contradiction built in to this, according to science ITSELF, it isnt RIGHT, it is a close approximation of RIGHT for use NOW until it is replaced by a closer approximation...

the resistance of science to embrace anomalous data is a sad mistake, for it is the anomalous data that offers us the fastest way out of our caveman problem.

looking at the pieces that DO NOT fit our model is the best way to improve our model.

but on the other side we have woowoos, even if they are right, the mainstream has not yet given them the nod, this alone will keep the herd away..

This argument, the discussion of our ancestors and the mysteries of earlier life on this planet, is spoiled by the large number of folk who have already picked sides..

off the top of my head we have the theosophists, the cayce crowd, each of the major religions, the EVD folk, the more specific but related Sitchin people, and the more sci oriented but very similar themes of Hoagland.

i know theres more of us wierdos but this is just for illustration...

then youve got mainstream science, which claims to be free of all the superstitions of the above crowd, but is riddled with assumptions of their own. Many of the assumptions of science are clung to with the strength of a religious belief, and for the same reasons, an old respected man wrote it into a book long ago (LOL)

for example, i took archeology 101 a few years back at the city college for fun. with a straight face my prof told us that the inca had no written language and no knowledge of the wheel. we then learned about the quippas (sp?) or knotted cords which served as a recorded language, and we saw photos of wheeled toys.

the same guy also told us that the Olmec had no knowledge of metalworking, he then went on to tell us that the Olmec were MASTER GOLDSMITHS.

The average debunker is usually satisfied with an appeal to authority type argument. The average wierdo is really doing the same thing, you see it here all the time as people post snips from their authority figures (mainstream or woowoo)

but what we really gotta do instead is OPEN UP OUR EYES. pretty much each of the models on the table has flaws and strengths, which is why each has supporters although we havent found THE TRUTH yet.

we have to be willing to chuck old models and replace them, even if that means we enter into a personal identity crisis and have to redefine ourselves and our role in the world.. ITS A JOURNEY

and it seems that people very much like us have been making that journey here on earth for a very long time.

The regular picture is upsetting itself, we dont have to help that happen, at the age of 42, ive already seen the "official" threshold of civilization get pushed back from greece to egypt to sumer...

now we have harrapa, mojeno daro, marcahuasi, catalhuluk, and a whole lotta other places i cant spell.

but the "regular" folk dont know about these sites, "Regular" folk know what they learned in school...

so if it all started in egypt in 3kbc... and THESE OTHER GUYS were doing it in 15kbc... then we gotta have aliens... but thats only because the official picture says NO SMART PEOPLE. but the official picture is always changing, it just takes time for the academic trickle down effect to hit people outside of specialized fields

but of course theres no reason that say that we DONT got aliens, the 2 arguments dont really have to connect.

what if there was a "high tech" human culture here without aliens? or what if those folk were high tech and had alien contact? or what if those folk "were" aliens (human space colonists arriving on earth from elsewhere)... what if high tech ancient earth humans fled a pole shift and took a long relativistic trip through space and are only coming back home about now after thousands of "local" years? OMG theyd be time travelers, ancient earth people, and aliens from space ALL AT ONCE.

Model Agnosticism is the way to go.

and PS i cant believe nobody posted a pic of the wild haired guy from that alien history tv show (love it!) is that fad already passe?

edit on 30-8-2012 by uwascallywabbit because: stuff

edit on 30-8-2012 by uwascallywabbit because: (no reason given)

Ok wow.. You don't post much but when you do... Wow
Great read.. Read it People.... If all your 70+ posts are like these they should count
for Quadruple Stars and Flags.
And yes the pic of the crazy hair guy who says,
"Therefore Aliens" ,is, or should be, passé .
Fantastic posts again..

Originally posted by uwascallywabbit
Nan Madol

famouswonders.com...

heres a site that just boggles the mind... we do things in a way that makes sense to us, but when you look at the ruins of this site, they dont really make sense at all. Nan Madol is a huge complex made from basalt logs cut into cylinders. it doesnt seem (to me) to be a smart way to build something at all. they seemed to use the basalt like logs in a log cabin.

as if cutting and moving stone like that is somehow easier or better than cutting and moving wood.

sites like this lead me to believe that even some of our "primitive" ancestors knew something about moving stone that we dont know today.

its almost as if a primitive people were givien powerful tools but not the knowledge that should have come with it. im speculating here of course...

or NAZCA anyone? im sure many of you have heard of it. of course its been DEBUNKD but have you looked at the shots recently? theres plenty more but heres at least one pic on a link

www.happytellus.com...

of the official nazca theories my fav is that the complex "runway" looking wedge type patters and the long straight lines are a record of water table properties for the area. this one is thought to be reinforced by the serious underground water works found at nazca.

it just makes me wonder how a bunch of "primitives" on the altiplano mapped a water table in the first place instead of moving on toward livible land. even today this area is only sparsely populated

much of the stonework in the old world is very curious indeed. maybe we are 100 percent wrong about the past, and the ONLY things that survived were the stones?

They will say that mount rushmore is a trick of light and shadow, unless they find enough of our power tools to say otherwise, and the few power tools that they do find, will be thought to be religious artifacts, unless they work, in which case they will be snatched up by the current powers that be for a close look..

fingerprints of the gods by g hancock is a nice model free look at this stuff. the only model hancock is selling is that there was a global civilization before history...

this seems to be backed up with cultural links and hard archeo links (like the three doors posted earlier, or the large number of stepped pyramid sites with square courtyards)

if the debunkers dont like the term high tech for this culture, lets redefine it, High Tech according to the Neolithic, sailing the world, mapping, living in cities and making things, not just hiding in caves smashing rocks together.

but for evidence of high tech, many would suggest the precision of the Great Pryamid as a solid argument.

the precision in that monument is not the kind of stuff associated with agriculture, or even seafaring. its the kind of precision associated with industry or even optics... it just wasnt required to make a tomb with those characteristics...

so if necessity is the mother of invention, then what was going on at Giza in the day?
much of the woowoo argument centers on HOW it was made... thats not what trips me up..

i wanna know HOW IT WAS MEASURED... i bet they werent using rope lines and squinting, its just too good.

a good look at the precision is in the work of Christopher Dunn, even if you dont like his power plant theory, his measurements are neato-keen..

heres a link to "advanced machining in ancient egypt"

www.gizapower.com...

theres also a great write up on chris dunns site about a certain drill core in the petrie musem... more on that in a bit

edit on 30-8-2012 by uwascallywabbit because: spelling

edit on 30-8-2012 by uwascallywabbit because: added chris dunn

Ok again... Great indeed. ATS please read.
It's quick, I swear, because it's written well.
It's full of interesting info and what I think are good, well founded, speculations
I found it quite intriguing .

I dont understand why it is constantly 'aliens' that brought us up out of the tree's. Its more than possible that we rose and fell on our own. Either self destructively or by a natural disaster we fell. We left for the stars 15000+ years ago. This makes more mathematical sense than some alien race finding us, even if they were looking for us.

Probability leans astronomically away from us being visited by an advanced species. WE were the advanced species. The misinterpreted stories are about us.

Linguists pretend they have a clue what the scratches say on stones 9000 years old. Thats like saying my 6 year old niece can translate Korean writing because she found a napkin with a symbol on it while visiting Japan.