BREAKING: US enlists Britain's help to stop ship 'carrying Russian attack helicopters' to Syria

Originally posted by victor7
All this American investment of efforts and politics into Arab Spring is proving to be the waste Ex: Egypt, Libya and other Arab states.

All countries whose people kicked out the government and formed their own, which I will add are not friendly towards the US. If we were going to overthrow a government and replace it with another, we would make sure they are friendly to us.

Question - Why do people think Arabs are stupid morons incapable of doing anything? The colonists were able to defeat the British during our war for independence and at the time Britain was one of the most powerful nations on the planet.

To assume the US is behind all of this is naieve, especially with no evidence to support the claims as well as insulting to those people who took a stand to demand change and died in the process in those arab countries.

So its ok for a government to kill its own people yet when the people get upset over that and fight back, toppeling the government, its somehow an American conspiracy / covert ops situation? If countries in the ME had a free press we might have a better idea of just what the hell is going on but since they are all government controlled and censored all we have left is people blaming the US.

Do you beleive arabs are incapable of taking a stand and forcing changes in their country?

Originally posted by CALGARIAN


I understand this Syrian/Russian deal went down last year to repair and return their helicopters but even Russia must know this isn't the time to have these returned.

Putin knows Assad WILL fall in time, so why so pushy to return this. In deviance? To keep good terms because that's where their only Russia port outside of Russia is?

Very dangerous stuff if they want to stop this ship.

www.telegraph.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

So let me get this right...

I send my car away for repair and maintenance and on the 99.9999999999999% chance I may use the car for something bad, they should keep hold of something that dose not belong to them, that has been paied for and has been asked for?

Fantastic, the UK getting involved...just what I wanted to hear.

Ok people, to stop all the arguments on here about what can and can't be done when it comes to shipping, here is the basic rundown.

EVERY Seafaring nation Worldwide MUST comply with ALL Maritime Laws passed by the International Maritime Organisation (aka IMO). Website is here - www.imo.org...

You will also find that every Seafaring nation has a Governmental Body that enforces Maritime Laws, INCLUDING Maritime Laws that belong to said country. As long as they don't countermand any Maritime Law regulated by the IMO, any Seafaring nation is able to add other laws that they want to put into effect. For example, in New Zealand, they have Maritime Laws stating that no Nuclear Powered Vessel, or any Vessel carrying Nuclear materials, may enter their Territorial Waters, even though this type of Law/Regulation isn't covered by the IMO. Here in Australia, the Government Organisation covering IMO and Australian Maritime Laws and Regulations is the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA, website is here Australian Maritime Safety Authority)

As for the British and Americans "stopping" this Vessel entering Syrian waters, they have no Legal right, under Maritime Law, to stop ANY Vessel, unless said Vessel has broken any of the IMO Laws or Regulations, or has broken any of the Maritime Laws Syria may have enacted. In International Waters, unless a Vessel has specifically not complied with the IMO, there is sh*t all the Americans and British can do about it. Good luck trying to enforce anything if they haven't broken any IMO Laws or Regulations

And as for the people wondering about Ships Insurance, NO Vessel will be accepted into ANY Port unless it has current Insurance. That is one of the first things usually sent to the Countries Customs, including an up to date Crew List, Ships Papers, Cargo Manifest, and Insurance.

I really don't trust the wester media on this Syria thing.

Nail Right on the head !!

Looks like they were able to stop them for now.

A ship carrying military helicopters and missiles from Russia to Syria has been effectively stopped off the coast of Scotland after its British insurers canceled the vessel’s cover, according to a report.

worldnews.msnbc.msn.com...

reply to post by SUICIDEHK45

Ship 'carrying Russian attack helicopters to Syria' halted off Scotland

The UK has made moves to stop a cargo vessel allegedly carrying refurbished Russian-made attack helicopters from completing its journey to Syria.

www.bbc.co.uk...

Yep... Looks like we've gone and done it... be interested to see what Russians say, or do, about this!!

Well, this is it...

The ship was off the coast of Scotland, so I guess the UK has the legal right to stop it due to the lack of insurance?

Let's see what happens now.

Putin, Obama and Cameron are in Mexico right now, in the G20 summit.

reply to post by Xcathdra


It's good to see that there are other sensible people on here and that not everyone is so deluded to think the CIA can brainwash and control an entire population! I feared that I was alone.

Like you I'm getting fed up of all the idiots on here who automatically think that America is involved in everything. There is no doubt - in my opinion - that the US is guiding certain things to suit their foreign policy, but there is no way America is able to influence an entire nation of people to rise up against their dictator. It's not only impractical, it makes no sense to be wasting resources and effort on something that is clearly internally driven.


On the whole Russian ship thing, I read that the UK gov is currently waiting for a response from the Russian Embassy on the status of the ship and its cargo. The insurers (a London-based company lol) has stated that they have suspended cover while investigations into the actions of the ship and its cargo are under way.

IMO, this can only go a couple of ways.
Either the Russians will deny that it's carrying what we believe it is carrying, and a stalemate ensues, or they allow checks to be completed, which will mean boarding.

If we assume that the ship is carrying what we think it is carrying, Russia will have no choice but to turn back. I cannot imagine that we will allow the ship to continue without being checked, and I can't imagine Russia allowing that or convincing us that the ship isn't carrying what we suspect.

The insurance issue is neither here nor there at the moment IMO. The real story here is the fact that the UK and Russia could soon be in a very difficult and potentially hostile situation off the coast of Scotland. Russia's ego will be damaged by this, embarrassed into turning back.

If we see any reports of military vessels moving to accompany their cargo, things could become extremely problematic extremely quickly. And if I were them, that is probably what I would be considering doing right now. Can they risk losing face and turning back?

Interesting to note that the UK media is not really discussing this in any real way. A couple of stories have popped up on BBC and Sky News sites, but this isn't seen as being a priority. I'm suspicious that they are trying to play this down or that there is a limitation on reporting of this.

We definitely shouldn't be blowing this out of proportion, but wars and skirmishes have developed in the past over similar intervention. I'm surprised that there isn't more debate and discussion going on about this and the potential risks of interfering.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

I really don't trust the wester media on this Syria thing. I think it's just like Libya. Western countries, or allies, are giving weapons to these "rebels" and they are destroying the country. I don't think Assad is good at alll, but it's not a civil war over there. Assad is not a good man, but letting a country fall into chaos isn't the answer. We are destabilizing the entire region. How many terrorist networks will there be in the next decade? There will be a huge free for all no borders battlefield in the mideast and middleeastern terrorism will become a real problem.

A friend of mine and I had a discussion this time last year. It was just before they got Ghaddaffi. We were talking about who the next boogey man would be and we decided it would be Assad. Fast forward one year.

Oh...it won't be isolated to the Middle East. Haven't you been paying attention? We now have drones over the MidWEST because there are so many "terror cells" in South Dakota and Kansas.

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Oh...it won't be isolated to the Middle East. Haven't you been paying attention? We now have drones over the MidWEST because there are so many "terror cells" in South Dakota and Kansas.

Is there any link with evidence for this, or just conjecture?

I'm really interested, because it has been assumed for a while now that the US Gov would start to label Militias and even entire communities as "domestic terrorists" when the need arose (just as Gaddafi did, and just as Assad is doing right now), and it could indicate the start of the 2nd American Revolution.

I know there was talk of the US Gov using drones domestically, but I haven't yet seen any reports of "domestic terrorist" accusations outside of the radical American media.

Linkage would be appreciated

Hey guys, WAKE UP!

The ship was stoped already: www.bbc.co.uk...

Time to shift the debate to the subject of what happens next.

Originally posted by CALGARIAN

BREAKING: US enlists Britain's help to stop ship 'carrying Russian attack helicopters' to Syria

www.telegraph.co.uk

The US government has enlisted Britain's help in a bid to stop a ship suspected of carrying Russian attack helicopters and missiles to conflict-riven Syria, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Great. Now who are we going to enlist to get the NWO's al-CIAda out of Syria?

Originally posted by GLontra
Hey guys, WAKE UP!

The ship was stoped already: www.bbc.co.uk...

Time to shift the debate to the subject of what happens next.

What do you mean "wake up"

This thread was started yesterday and the story of the ship being stopped has only just gone on the BBC website. Plus the link you provided i had already included in my post several posts before yours!

I suggest you read the whole thread and check dates and times before telling people to "wake up"

Peace

Originally posted by Muckster

Originally posted by GLontra
Hey guys, WAKE UP!

The ship was stoped already: www.bbc.co.uk...

Time to shift the debate to the subject of what happens next.

What do you mean "wake up"

This thread was started yesterday and the story of the ship being stopped has only just gone on the BBC website. Plus the link you provided i had already included in my post several posts before yours!

I suggest you read the whole thread and check dates and times before telling people to "wake up"

Peace

I wasn't talking to you, Mr. "I Know Everything Prior To Everyone Else"

I saw the link on your previous post. Or didn't you see my comment one post bellow yours, about the news on your link?

And who you think that gave that star to your post? It was me.

I was talking to the guys who insisted in debating other aspects of the subject, instead of debating the actual fact that the ship was already stopped.

Don't worry, I don't want to "steal" your "scoop", Mr. Breaking News.

But, in fact, it was SUICIDEHK45 who posted the news first, before you did. Just saying...

Originally posted by GLontra

Originally posted by Muckster

Originally posted by GLontra
Hey guys, WAKE UP!

The ship was stoped already: www.bbc.co.uk...

Time to shift the debate to the subject of what happens next.

What do you mean "wake up"

This thread was started yesterday and the story of the ship being stopped has only just gone on the BBC website. Plus the link you provided i had already included in my post several posts before yours!

I suggest you read the whole thread and check dates and times before telling people to "wake up"

Peace

I wasn't talking to you, Mr. "I Know Everything Prior To Everyone Else"

I saw the link on your previous post. Or didn't you see my comment one post bellow yours, about the news on your link?

I was talking to the guys who insisted in debating other aspects of the subject, instead of debating the actual fact that the ship was already stopped.

Don't worry, I don't want to "steal" your "scoop", Mr. Breaking News.

But, in fact, it was SUICIDEHK45 who posted the news first, before you did. Just saying...

edit on 19-6-2012 by GLontra because: (no reason given)

Love it... Although it's still very arrogant and rude to tell people to wake up... and you call me Mr. "I Know Everything Prior to Everyone Else"

Pot and Kettle springs to mind!

And if you read my post you will see that it was a reply, acknowledgment and backing up of SUICIDEHK45's post.

I was not the first to post the story and nor was i bothered by it...

Just wanted to point out that you were behaving in a manner that will be seen as rude and arrogant by some...

peace

reply to post by CALGARIAN



Thats not a bad helicopter, So why was America buying Russian? Price?

I just woke up, and looked at google news and I can see we have a busy day ahead of us.

G20 in Mexico, and the UN is holding a similar conference in Brazil, and all the countries in the Middle East and all the way to China, are getting excited about us building this trade route, and so they are trying to be heard above the din. Which means they are trying to voice their opinion without a podium. So you have to be careful out there right now. NATO being attacked in Afghanistan etc. Because they want the S.C.O. to manage security there. For the trade route.

Some headlines...

At G-20, Mexico joins negotiations for next generation trade deal with Asia

www.csmonitor.com...

Pakistan just disqualified its prime minister, because he was probably too friendly to America and we are steering Pakistan to the S.C.O.

It looks like NATO will be handing over security of Afghanistan to the S.C.O. when they withdraw troops.

Rio+20 environment conference gearing up in Brazil

G20 should stop the bickering, show courage

Our Canadian Prime Minister wanted to have a photo-op with Obama in that one.

Stephen Harper is almost one of us. I say almost because there are times when he forgets that he is supposed to talk a lot about everything and do nothing. And we have to remind him of that. Where he makes his mistake is America tries to get him into a discussion, and thats all it takes for them to take Canada to the cleaners, and the ONLY way to prevent that, is for Stephen Harper to do nothing. Since if he does anything, he will be taken to the cleaners.

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American role in Libya? do i need to discuss such nonsense??

reply to post by victor7


Xcathdra works for the US govt.He is a law enforcement officer.He will spout the american propaganda mantra.

reply to post by mkgandhas


Dude plays the innocence of US policies but all its interest in Syria is not for the welfare and well being of the Syrian people but in reality US goal is to remove Assad to make a huge blow to Iran and also weaken Russia's standing in the ME. 40% of Syrians still support Assad so it will not be easy to remove him from the power.