The brainwashing displayed here is unbelievable

I don't want this thread blackballed into the Rant forum. I've posted it here for a reason. It's about a social issue, and I want it to get exposure.

At the moment, I'm aware of three different threads, in which people are openly advocating such things as eugenics, and the increased involvement of law enforcement regarding the Internet.

I've always felt that the single most disturbing characteristic of this forum, is the number of people here, who are extremely transparent about their lack of desire for personal freedom; and even their desire for the direct opposite. Said people seem to desperately crave having some giant, centralised authority controlling every element of their lives.

I'm serious. Some of you honestly seem to want to live in a scenario very similar to Germany under the Nazis. I really don't understand why that is, either. I can only assume that it is because you do not have practical experience of what living in an authoritarian society means. I don't either, admittedly; but the apparent difference between us, is that I know that it's an experience that I also do not want.

The other thing that's even more shocking, is that despite the levels of cowardice I see here; the rationalisation, justification, and apologies for invasive, fascist government agencies such as the TSA and DHS...what is even worse, is how truly justified some of the people who hold these opinions feel.they are, in having them. You are derided as being immature, irrational, or mentally ill if you think otherwise.

I do not want someone else controlling every minute of my life. I do not want to be a slave. I do not want lawmaking ability to be held exclusively by psychopaths, who crave control, purely for control's own sake, and who literally do not sleep in their continuing quest to obtain it. I do not want a scenario where government is able to track and monitor everywhere I go, every moment of every day; and most of all, I do not want to have to explain myself to someone who is sufficiently intellectually disabled that they do not understand why such a level of surveillance is potentially harmful to them.

If you do want these things, then maybe the real threat to human survival isn't the terrorists, or the child pornographers.

Maybe it's you.

But...you want to do the same and have others think the way you do...

The best thing is to combat it by entering those threads and presenting your side of the debate in attempts to sway others that your principles and way of viewing is the best one...not by whining that there are those who have an opinion otherwise.

ETA: I am a strong advocate for free-thought, free-opinion and free-expression. I will attempt to enter threads where I know I can at least present a case for such. That is how you spread freedom. That is how you win over the minds that are not of your mindset; not through more control.

I want to live me life the way I think it should be ran. I don't need or want for that matter the Government tell me what they think I need. My motto is you leave me alone there wont be any problems, but if you come at me act all stupid.....Then you get what you deserve.

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Originally posted by petrus4

I do not want someone else controlling every minute of my life......

But you wanna be in control and tell everyone else that they are wrong?

Seems a bit contradictory to me.

reply to post by petrus4

Please bear in mind that some posters here have a clear and obvious agenda as can be witnessed in many threads and their overbearing opinion on what is right, good and just for complete sections of law-abiding populations. Let them spout their politically motivated, government-loving BS and see them for what they are.

Disclaimer: I'm a plant eating, tree-hugging, freedom-loving, black-belt pacifist libertarian. I am what I is.

Originally posted by BrokenCircles
reply to post by petrus4

 

Originally posted by petrus4

I do not want someone else controlling every minute of my life......

But you wanna be in control and tell everyone else that they are wrong?

Seems a bit contradictory to me.

Telling people they're wrong is a long stretch from wanting to control them. Its more like telling them they ARE being controlled and to snap out of it. But instead of looking at the evidence that they ARE being controlled that's right there in front of their faces, they snap back at whoever says they're being controlled.

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I was about to write a thread on this, too. I can't believe people are advocating this kind of government - living under authoritarian rule is no joke, and not something to take lightly. It isn't something to experiment with to see how well it works. If implemented, real people's lives would be affected in a negative manner. Your own life wouldn't be safe from the tyranny, either.

That being said, the fact that some regular citizens are pushing for it seems to suggest that it might be coming.

Originally posted by petrus4
At the moment, I'm aware of three different threads, in which people are openly advocating such things as eugenics, and the increased involvement of law enforcement regarding the Internet.

Said people seem to desperately crave having some giant, centralised authority controlling every element of their lives.

I wish I knew what posts or threads you were talking about.

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Yeah, link the threads.

Originally posted by petrus4
I've always felt that the single most disturbing characteristic of this forum, is the number of people here, who are extremely transparent about their lack of desire for personal freedom; and even their desire for the direct opposite. Said people seem to desperately crave having some giant, centralised authority controlling every element of their lives.

...what is even worse, is how truly justified some of the people who hold these opinions feel.they are, in having them. You are derided as being immature, irrational, or mentally ill if you think otherwise.

I do not want someone else controlling every minute of my life. I do not want to be a slave. I do not want lawmaking ability to be held exclusively by psychopaths, who crave control, purely for control's own sake, and who literally do not sleep in their continuing quest to obtain it. I do not want a scenario where government is able to track and monitor everywhere I go, every moment of every day; and most of all, I do not want to have to explain myself to someone who is sufficiently intellectually disabled that they do not understand why such a level of surveillance is potentially harmful to them.

S&F.
Understand & agree!!



PS; Or the thinking that those of us who cherish our freedom and do not appreciate being spied on obviously must have something to hide.

lol that thread were op and sevral other posters are floating the idea that people need a licence to have kids probably

then some of the posters spout things like "if you cant afford a kid you should not be allowed to have them" or this beauty " all children should be sterilised at birth , then when thay can prove thay are ready we will grant them that right"


just plane udder nonsense

i could not believe just how many other atsers cheerd the op on adding there two cents

lucky got some attention of some "sound" members that opposed the facist group think.

agent prov-vac-a-toors

Originally posted by BrokenCircles
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Originally posted by petrus4

I do not want someone else controlling every minute of my life......

But you wanna be in control and tell everyone else that they are wrong?

Seems a bit contradictory to me.

You are missing the point or intentionally trying to portray the OP as being contradictory...either way, I don't believe he is. I think he simply trying to find a way to be left the hell alone and is addressing the huge obstacle to that, which is brainwashed people he mentioned in his thread that will do everything they can to forbid him from actually being left the hell alone.

Here is an easy way to identify the aggressive viewpoint the one that ultimately has to FORCE itself on others.

Viewpoint A)

The government should regulate and control everything and to do that they need to know everything so there is no privacy and there is no personal decisions/desires there are only social decisions and social desires and if you don't accept and obey this philosophy and way of life we will force you or kidnap you and force you into a small cell for any number of extremely petty and vague crimes would charge you with simply for breathing.

Viewpoint B)

I don't want the government to have any say so over my life I don't want intrusion into my personal space/business. I don't want the government to force the majority will upon me. I want to live a free and independent life where I live and die by my own mistakes and successes, so long as I do this without exploiting others or hindering others ability to do so within their very own lives.If you chose not to agree with this philosophy I will not force you to be free, I will not force you do avoid government control, I will not force you to value your privacy these are all personal decisions I value. You may chose government and socialism and dependence so long as it does not interfere, force or exploit me to do so.

Now may I ask where in viewpoint (B) there is a threat to another human beings freedom? Rights? Ability to live?
Where from viewpoint (B) is someone being forced in any direction with the threat of incarceration? None...nowhere...

Viewpoint A) however is ultimately held together with force and kidnapping.
Viewpoint B) effects only the individual self. Viewpoint B) will not force you to agree and participate in it, it will simply expect you to leave them alone while you do your thing and they do theirs.

But this is not the case, people cannot live viewpoint B) lives without viewpoint A) people breaking in their house with guns and eventually kidnapping them.

government-loving BS

So you are unilaterally declaring that everything about government is BS, and you call others extremists?

Originally posted by darkbake
reply to post by satron

 

Yeah, link the threads.

OK. I'm probably going to get into strife over this from the staff; I hope not.

It Is Time To Police The Internet.

There are multiple eugenics threads; it seems to be the meme of the moment here, right now. Below is the one I saw, though.

License to Live.

Originally posted by petrus4

The other thing that's even more shocking, is that despite the levels of cowardice I see here; the rationalisation, justification, and apologies for invasive, fascist government agencies such as the TSA and DHS...what is even worse, is how truly justified some of the people who hold these opinions feel.they are, in having them. You are derided as being immature, irrational, or mentally ill if you think otherwise.

Some heavy words there fella.
I mean i wanna know what it is you wanna do so badly.

is it a vocabulary war you was thinking because you will probable win
you sound to me like you cant seem to do what you want with your life
Why because (THEY) are watching what we are doing on the Internet and they stop you at the airport for 15Min's to find out you have nothing but your good sense.
I find too many people on ATS moaning about how we are not doing anything about ANY THIN.

Don't worry because when your backed into that corner you will find out what sort of a person your are


Chill Winston

You do know that Teddy Roosevelt endorsed eugenics.
See American Philosophical Society - Letter from Theodore Roosevelt to Charles B. Davenport.

And that Nazi Germany got their idea for a master race from American eugenics practices.

There are people, some even on ATS, who IMO should not be allowed to reproduce.

Sorry about the link, maybe a moderator can fix.





Link format - JAK

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The 2 you linked aren't bad. One has zero flags and zero stars, the other has 1 flag and zero stars. I think they didn't find much support on ATS, from well-established and respected members, not just noobs like me.

Originally posted by BrokenCircles
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Originally posted by petrus4

I do not want someone else controlling every minute of my life......

But you wanna be in control and tell everyone else that they are wrong?

Seems a bit contradictory to me.

He wants to be in control of his OWN LIFE, not yours.

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Your Viewpoints A and B are very good examples of what I believe the OP is talking about. For me, I have always been a Viewpoint B person.

Government has no right to tell me what to eat, how to eat it or how much I should eat. They have no right to tell me what I can or cannot put into my body, since my body belongs to nobody but me.

Our government in the US has overstepped the boundaries of being intrusive in our lives a long time ago, and continues to get worse each day, since 911. And I believe its about to get a lot worse. It will soon be time to get off the grid and put survival plans into action IMO.

Anyone who wants the government to be in control of every aspect of their lives should be allowed to have this, but for those of us who dont, we should likewise be allowed to have our freedom and our control over our own lives.

S&F to you and the OP

There's another example of what I'm talking about, which I just discovered on YouTube.



It's a rant by a guy called TotalBiscuit, about the number of cutscenes, and the completely non-interactive nature of them, in the new game Max Payne 3. Some of you likely won't see the connection, so I'll spell it out for you.

The point is lack of freedom. TB points out how in earlier games, as the player, you could alter plot points and change the outcome, based on your decisions and actions. In a lot of contemporary games, that is no longer anywhere near as true. You're much more a passive observer, and the experience is a lot more scripted and controlled.

The single main thing that is disturbing me about contemporary society, as I said in the OP, is also the degree to which people seem to want this. People don't want freedom, because having to make your own decisions sometimes takes effort. When you've got choices, it's not always easy to know what the best thing to do is; so people instead now prefer to just have someone else decide for them.

I don't think like that, myself.