I will pour out my wrath on them and consume them with my fiery anger.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Someone missed the memo apparently.

I missed any credible claim. What I did see was people hyping their own theory about where they think the mountain was.
Also I missed how ignoring the Bible explanation of Sinai is somehow gaining enlightenment.
I can see how you would latch onto anything sensational just to get a high off of it, but you are drinking Satan's Kool-Aid.

the entire thing is surrounded by fence with razor wire on the top.

That's just crazy since these people just walked right onto the mountain with no problem.

Paul said Mt. Sinai was in Arabia.

Which at that time included Sinai.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

Oooooooops!! Someone missed the memo apparently. The mountain God met Moses on is called "Jabal al Lawz" it's in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia. You can witness it on the video called "Mountain of Fire". The Saudi military prohibits anyone from getting within half a mile of the mountain today and the entire thing is surrounded by fence with razor wire on the top.

Paul said Mt. Sinai was in Arabia. (Galatians 4:25) Where so you think Midian is JM? Constantine's momma screwed it up. It's in Midian which is in Saudi Arabia.

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I am encouraged by your acceptance that Mt Sinai was not in the Sinai Peninsular but it's not possible to pinpoint it as yet. The people who believe it was Jabal al Lawz have made money out of it being so. I make no money from my theory or the ideas I put across and never will because I never want my integrity to be jeopardised by financial rewards. Those people are also Christians and I am not sure how easily a Christian would offer up the word 'volcano', given the reluctance exhibited in this thread. There are many volcanoes in NW Saudi to choose from and for all we know there could have been volcano worshipping clans at the base of each of them.

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I believe hes talking about this...

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Someone missed the memo apparently.

I missed any credible claim. What I did see was people hyping their own theory about where they think the mountain was.
Also I missed how ignoring the Bible explanation of Sinai is somehow gaining enlightenment.
I can see how you would latch onto anything sensational just to get a high off of it, but you are drinking Satan's Kool-Aid.

the entire thing is surrounded by fence with razor wire on the top.

That's just crazy since these people just walked right onto the mountain with no problem.

Paul said Mt. Sinai was in Arabia.

Which at that time included Sinai.

Now, Sinai is classed as Arabia but then it was ruled by the Egyptians. The Christian explorers visited the mountain and later found it had been fenced off. Bible cartographers had no knowledge of the Gulf of Aqaba and that is apparent in ancient maps.....

www.bible.ca...

www.ancientexodus.com...

www.ancientexodus.com...

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

I can link you to an archaeological thread of mine that's much older than 2 days. The mountain is Jabal al Lawz. Educate yourself, and that mountain is neither an active nor dormant volcano. I understand your problem, but it's your problem nonetheless.

You might like to 'educate yourself' on the fact Ron Wyatt, the main man behind Jabal al Lawz, is quoted as saying...'Jebel El Lawz had a large valley enclosed in the rim of an ancient volcano.'

The rocks said to be taken from the summit are claimed to not be volcanic. However, they have been unavailable for independent analysis for thirteen years.

This photo shows the blackened top of Jabal al Lawz....

www.bobcornuke.com...

Your god has been busy with lots of other Mt Sinais....

ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com.es...

The only 'scientific' evidence stated for the summit rocks not being volcanic is that they are not black all the way to the core but just on the surface. They are apparently granite inside. Volcanoes throw out all sorts of materials, including precious stones. Is peridot black?

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Not talking about Ron Wyatt.

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And please tell where Midian is. Old bibles have it on the maps in the appendixes. Also, why do tell would Moses lead the Hebrews out of Egypt across the Red Sea, then right back into Egypt to go up to Mt. Sinai?

Constantine's momma screwed up, that's about it. And if you'd watch the video you'd hear that the site is currently surrounded by fence and razor wire, the people say this who took the original footage. ((On the video))

Originally posted by TheFogHorn

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Take away all the anger and thundering wrath and what you have left is pure unadulterated consciousness.

Please explain your reasoning using only the following Bible verse as an example so we can appreciate your stance.

Nahum 1:5-6 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

You can't just pick and choose a verse and say "only use this verse to justify your stance". That is not the way this works. It takes entire chapters of context more often than not to correctly apply what is being written.

Thats the equivalent of what atheists looking to start crap do when they go rifling through the old testament while closing their eyes to pick one of the civil laws of the jews and say "oh look, God says murdering Canaanites is kosher, Christianity is a religion of evil". When what you just did was dig through the jewish part of the old laws, and there is deeper meaning and reasons behind what is written, things that had nothing to do with Christianity at all.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Old bibles have it on the maps in the appendixes.

That's funny, an an example of what level your arguments are on.
I suppose you also believe in the geography of fairy tale land.

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Where is Midian? Do tell the class. Where is it? Present day Saudi Arabia or Egypt? You are completely annoying, you argue just to argue, you're just a troll. The Mt. Sinai in Egypt is a bogus location that Constantine's mom just decided was the Mt. God met Moses on.

Where is Midian?

Well OP, it is hard to respond in one or two words, but I shall try….

Not volcano or mountain…… working pyramid! (long gone now)

Not any god or gods statements……. aliens! (that will return and they may still be angry)

Mickierocksman

reply to post by NOTurTypical

. . . you argue just to argue . . .

You are like a magnet to the most ridiculous theories out there.
I don't know why you think Midian has anything to do with the question.
The question would be if when the Bible says Sinai, it means Sinai.
You apparently think it means something else.

reply to post by Mickierocksman


AH! An interesting new twist! Krishna's Vimanah was pyramid shaped.

As I remember the story, Krishna's brother came to his city, to summons him to war with another god. It made Krishna very sad, and after the war he sunk his city a flew off in his triangle shaped vimanah, never to be seen again.

The Hebrew's "Pillar of Fire" was only around for fourty years, or so.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

. . . you argue just to argue . . .

You are like a magnet to the most ridiculous theories out there.
I don't know why you think Midian has anything to do with the question.
The question would be if when the Bible says Sinai, it means Sinai.
You apparently think it means something else.

Midian is extremelly important. And there is more than one Sinai, that's the point! Constantine's mom gave the mountain in Egypt the name Sinai, she screwed up. A mountain in Egypt doesnt fit with the info in the text. From the text it must be in Midian on the other side you of the Red Sea. (Which is Saudi Arabia)

Still say Midian is irrelevant?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by windword

 

Yo... we know what mountian mises went up to meet God on, it's Jabal al Lawz in Saudi Arabia and it's neither an active or dormant volcano. You can see it if you watch "Mountain of Fire". The Saudi military has razor wire all around the mountain and at the base is the alter the Jews used on one side and the altar the golden calf was built upon on the other side.

So, I watched the movie and found it a bit melodramatic but interesting, non the less. A quick Google search of geological maps of volcanic activity in the region shows all along the base of Mt Jebal al-Lawz is covered in lava fields. Also there seems to be some debate as to whether the mount is an extinct volcano or not.



Google Earth reveals the charred area on top the mountain goes on for miles.



The Saudi Gov. says the area is fenced because it is a military base. I have no reason not to believe that, as declaring the mountain holy would only increase pilgrimage and tourism. Maybe they don't want that. IDK

I would also be interested to see if there are other ancient settlements with similar alters and petroglyphs at the base of other mountains in the area. After all, the calf was the symbol of Baal, a widespread cult.

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by Mickierocksman

 

AH! An interesting new twist! Krishna's Vimanah was pyramid shaped.

As I remember the story, Krishna's brother came to his city, to summons him to war with another god. It made Krishna very sad, and after the war he sunk his city a flew off in his triangle shaped vimanah, never to be seen again.

The Hebrew's "Pillar of Fire" was only around for fourty years, or so.

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It may not even have been around for that long. It may have been a short eruption that guided the Hebrews to Mt Sinai. There may have been other eruptions and this verse certainly hints at that....

Deut 33:2 And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

They could just have wandered aimlessly going from one awesome sight to the next. They were located at a rift between continents that may have been suddenly pulling apart (scientists just realising it can happen suddenly). This rifting may have also triggered the Santorini eruption.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by TheFogHorn

 

Not talking about Ron Wyatt.

No, we're talking about Jabal al Lawz, which an eye witness says is in a volcanic rim. Considering that piece of evidence came from a Christian then I would say it's highly likely Jabal al Lawz is volcanic. A Christian would not volunteer that information unless abolutely necessary. The caldera must be so big it was impossible to hide.

Anyway, there's no need to get your knickers in a twist about this. Stop being so rude with everyone.

"While other scholars have proposed that Sinai was in Arabia, Prof Humphreys argues that the holy mount must have been an active volcano, since it shook and emitted fire and smoke (Exodus 19:18). And he has carefully examined records ancient and modern to fix the site. Prof Humphreys also thinks that near Mount Bedr, Moses experienced God's call at the "burning bush". He suggests that this was caused by flammable natural gas or volcanic gas escaping from the ground." www.freerepublic.com...

“According to Exodus 19 … Mount Sinai blazed with fire, was enveloped by a huge plume of cloud or smoke and shook violently as in an earthquake. Flashes of lightning and sounds like trumpet blasts also occurred. The description fits a a volcanic eruption. The emission of hot gases from fissures can produce trumpet-like sounds, and observers have reported seeing massive electrical displays emanatin...g from volcanic clouds. No volcanoes are known to have erupted during that period in the Sinai Peninsula, but Arabia has many volcanoes. One volcanic mountain in the western Arabian Peninsula, Hala al Bedr (Mount Bedr), is according to this theory a particularly promising candidate for ancient Mount Sinai.” NIV Archeological Study Bible, p. 123.

reply to post by TheFogHorn


Getting my "knickers in a twist" ahhh yes, that's right I need to just turn the other cheek correct. Forgot that. Sorry, I get frustrated when people completely straw man what I say around here.

reply to post by windword


Thank you so much for watching the video with an open mind. But you need to change the portion of your post about the mountain being sealed off by fence and razor wire. Afterall, jmdewey says that's not true and everyone who knows anything knows that jmdewey knows everything. So obviously that's not true.