Could mainland U.S. be invaded by a conventional military?

Future wars won't be fought with gun in the grass. They will be fought with cyber warfare, drones and, if it comes to that, nukes.

The USA will be rubble by the time a land invasion were imminent.

Learning to speak Mandarin would help more in such a scenario, than any gun-toting tactics.

It is threads like this that make me realise just how many deluded Americans there really are. I understand patriotism, and national pride these are inherent in nearly everyone in every country, even the poorest village dweller in a shanty town somewhere will tell you his country is the greatest and he would die to defend it, it is human nature.

It is true that the US military is the best equipped in the world and that gives it a very big advantage and makes invasion highly unlikely it is not however impossible. American superiority against most forces comes from highly advanced communications and satellite technology, if those are taken out first by Russia of China then the US becomes considerably weaker the vast majority of its defences are nullified, add to that, that any invading force is unlikely to land directly, they would land in South America, most likely in Chile and then push forward the southern continent while simultaneously landing other forces along the west coast and using airborne to cut off the defending armies supply routes. This would forge a 3 pronged attack and secure a beachhead in the south west of the country.

They would have a firm strong hold in the country and a supply route through Southern America. If they would then have enough strength to push through the American heartlands and into Eastern USA would depend on which forces attacked and who if any would come in support of the US, if the alliance was with Russia and China that would be very strong especially considering the could call up on supportive countries too, such as Iran, Pakistan (yes they would turn on you in an instant) However I do believe the UK would support the US and as such call up the Commonwealth allies, giving you the likes of the Aussies and the Canadians (who would help regardless of the UK's stance) It would be a tough call to say who would win though.

And although there would be some civil resistance, it would be no where near the amount many of you think it would, it is all well and good being brave behind a keyboard, but think logically for a moment, if your house is surrounded by literally hundreds of highly trained troops with a tannoy message saying give yourself up and surrender your weapons, you will not be harmed. How many are going to start firing knowing that that first shot condemns everyone in that house with to death, would you sacrifice your wife? Your husband? Your Mother and father, your brothers and sisters, your children, your nieces and nephews? Would you allow them all to die, or would you hand over your gun? The vast majority would hand over their weapons, not because they are cowards but because they are human and have loved ones they care about and don't want to see them die, we are talking invasion, this is not 20 or 30 guys coming into a town, we are talking about 1000's of troops on the street, you can't fight that with a Smith & Western

It is very unlikely, very very unlikely that the US would be invaded, however it is not impossible

Who would invade? Russia or China? Possibly, but doubtful. Even if they managed to get their troops over here, the Americans have guns. The military is basically stationed right here with us. The only way America will ever be invaded is by it's own military/cops/government. Even with China's entire Army, it would take an amazing feat to get them all here and then an amazing strategy to actually win the war.

Invading simply isn't the way to destroy a super power. The only way to do it is to do exactly what's being done to us right now. Destroy us from within, spin the propaganda, and bankrupt the entire nation with meaningless war while shipping the entire industry to the enemy.

reply to post by SUICIDEHK45


Sure, they could invade, given the proper transport. Their problem would be holding what they invaded.

If it came by sea, I doubt they would get much further than 100 miles inland before they got stalled or turned back. That's good and bad. Bad, because half of our population lives withing 100 miles of a coast. Good, because that leaves a hell of a lot of territory for reorganization and to base counter attacks.

If it came by air, there would be a problem with concentrating forces in sufficient quantity to hold large areas.

The wussification is a problem, but if only 1 person out of every hundred held his ground, that's 30 million. Are there any armies large enough to overcome a 30 million strong resistance?

Reliance on technology could be a potential problem for current military - stuff don't work when batteries die. That would be a problem, but not an absolute barrier. Lots of stuff that goes BOOM doesn't use much complexity. As a plus, the current military would likely be augmented by boat loads of former military, a pre-trained fighting force. Just give 'em something that explodes and point 'em in a direction. Stockpiles would rapidly dwindle with that augmented force, but just think of the sudden fireworks it could deliver!

Then you have the Special Forces. They fight like hell, but their primary mission is training guerrillas. Lots and lots of guerrillas. They are force multipliers, because they whip motivated civilians into a military shaped force to be reckoned with. Wussified people become lions when they see their own asses on the line and there's someone there to sharpen their claws.

Could it be done? Without a doubt. Could it be done successfully? Got MUCH doubts about that!

Originally posted by cavalryscout
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Okay, so any conventional attack on the USA is pretty much World War III territory. I'm not sure why anyone would want to invade apart from the psychological superiority it would give to the victor. It would be easier to just devastate, weaken and humiliate - which are not very nice reasons but that's the world we live in.

But if you couple my earlier post with an additional scenario e.g. a seismic weapon detonated by an unfriendly nation deep within a larva tube in the Cumbre Vieja volcano in the Canary Islands you would have, if successful, an additional resulting tsunami from the ensuing landslide that would wipe out the East coast of the USA (and parts of Europe and Africa). Okay, here, I'm getting into James Bond mega villain territory and just need someone sitting in a revolving chair with a white fluffy cat...

But though highly , highly improbable all three scenarios could be synchronised. Again this would devastate the United States but NATO is still going to be on hand - unless it is occupied by other opportunist attacks on its own territories, making a land based invasion possible. All highly unlikely but food for thought...

With a a small detachment of spies and secret agents yes, if they could hijack and commandeer civilian airliners they could fly around for hours with impunity...

Originally posted by SUICIDEHK45
I keep seeing people say that they don't think the U.S. could be invaded by a conventional military. I agree with that statement, but I wanted to hear what all of you thought. People always say "you cannot invade the mainland United States, there will be a rifle behind every blade of grass" which is often misattributed to Isoroku Yamamoto.

It depends how batsh^t crazy we got. In a strict sense if we used all of the military options available to us it's completely impossible. Any fleet in getting ready for a D-Day style invasion would be sitting ducks for a nuke while still in the middle of the ocean. End of the story. However...let's say that we weren't out to kick off a NUCLEAR war and/or end all life on planet Earth. In that case the only way I see it really being feasible is if the whole country was thrown into chaos first. A high altitude EMP attack that would take out our infrastructure would set the stage nicely for the Russians or Chinese coming across Alaska.

I think now days you would have a much better chance of a successful invasion because of a few things.

I think the biggest one is the pussification of America. What I mean by this is that kids have grown up playing videogames and on the computer more than playing outside. When I was a kid, I constantly was playing some sport outside. We used to settle things on the playground with scuffles instead of telling the teacher or parents.

Ehhh...possibly. Yes on one hand the kids seem a bit pussified...at least in the suburbs. On the other hand kids who have grown up in the rural areas haven't changed much and kids who have grown up in the inner cities have basically already been living in a war zone for the last the 30 years or so. All in all...I think you would be surprised. I think the kids today would actually perform better than their counterparts of 50 years especially when you factor in the social conditioning towards accepting violence as par for the course. Sure...the city kids would be sh^t out of luck if they were fighting out in the mountains...but I don't see that happening. It would be a whole lot more of the "door-to-door" fighting.

Another big thing is lack of work ethic. I am a steel erection foreman, and I have a lot of kids straight out of high school working for me. I can't believe the lack of work ethic some of these kids have. I've seen a lot of kids quit after a 12 or 14 hour day. It seems to me that a lot of kids now days are protected so much and don't see the "real world" until they are in their mid 20s.

Yes...but kids are only "protected" in SOME ways. They might be pretty sheltered when it comes to manual labor...but how many of your classmates got shot while YOU were in high school?

Another thing that would be a big determining factor is that today's youth lack general skills. A lot of people have never fired a gun, or even held one for that matter. Some people have never operated hand or power tools in their life.

True...but contrary to the modern myth using a power tool requires no special skill whatsoever. Take it from a guy who has used them his whole life. We so often hear about people lamenting all the skills which we have "lost"...but it's mostly nonsense. For example, how many times have you heard this one..."most people don't even know how to grow their own food or hunt anymore!"

You know what it takes to grow food? Seeds, sunshine, dirt, and water. Maybe throw a little feces on top for good measure. That's it...nothing more. Sure...there is a lot more to RUNNING A MODERN FARM than that...but the difference is one of being profitable in a modern economy vs. producing calories. Remember...CAVEMEN once originally learned how to farm successfully. I think we will have little to no problem.

Our own government(along with Mossad) killed 3000 right in manhattan. Israelis are the insurgents in Iraq, sniping our troops and using Israeli-made ied's to blow them up. Our government has been under Zionist control since LBJ was sworn in. This all has been known for years, and we, the American people, have done nothing about it.

But you all think Americans will finally rediscover their courage if an invading army comes? Please. Fantasy. If we didn't rise up when all this other stuff went down, expect most Americans to roll over when foreign troops come. Some will fight and die, sure; but most just want to be able to fill their gas tank, and feed the family. We've lost our will. No one wants to fight for freedom. If they did, we eoildn't be in the situation that we 're in right now . Occupied.

Well, if there was a Revolution, they would definitely use mercenaries and other foreign soldiers to do the dirty work. And guess what. There already here.

Mossad is gonna love wiping the streets with Ron Paul supporters.

giving the mass invasion of Hispanics,.we have already been in invaded ,just waiting for Hilary to take our guns.
out of the 30 some kids in my 3rd graders class only 20% are non Hispanic in a town of 1900 population.
and our government denies they are here is such numbers

Originally posted by Cosmic911
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All electronic communications down. Short wave radio jammed. Who tells the troops where to go? Carrier pigeon maybe?

I didn't know we fought every war with "electronic communications." News to me. According to you, all wars have been fought with "short-wave radios." Gee, I guess you're right. Hahaha....do you know how foolish this statement is? How old are you? Put the iPod down, unplug your blue-ray player, set the smart-phone aside....take a look at the un-virtual world.

You don't understand do you? But your a Yank so thats understandable. Electronics-communications here:-

en.wikipedia.org...

Short wave radio used as a "Back Up" if all else has failed:-

www.lutins.org...

I am pleased you have learnt something today

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For the sake of my country..yes and my wife knows I would sacrifice her or my life,what the hell,theres life after death anyway.Dying is easy.
As to the Chinese and guns.They may be capably trained,but at the end of the day they still have to give their weapons back to big brother and they are under lock and key. I just saw TV show that had a 13 year old kid who placed 3rd in a world class cowboy shooting contest.No radio or electronics there but one hell of a CQB application.
We take our guns out to play for recreation,FUN, it's a blast,just ask Japanese tourists.
If we do get hit by and EMP that would take away TV...oh my god...are you crazy?That would cause a VERY ANGRY America to ask who the hell did that and the response would frighten Satan!

Lets say you actually get your best cased scenario and you land here.American forces hallmark is adaptation that is the crux of success in all things American,free thinking.TPTB HATES that as it keeps screwing up their brilliant ideas.When diabolically allied you get 'Saw" styled traps set up and filmed for entertainment.

Folks have still FAILED to mention how these invading forces would get here. To say "they would land" is NOT sufficient. The truth is neither Russia nor China has the means to airlift OR sealift their military machine across the ocean...it would take YEARS. And its not like the US wouldnt see the movement via satellite and everything else.

If any country launches a E.M.P attack on the United States. There will be a nuclear responds.

reply to post by SUICIDEHK45


I think you are underestimating Americans with your "pussification" theory. If you thought about it realistically you would realize that these people aren't just going to sit and still be playing video games in an invasion scenario.

So many of the young men that play call of duty type games tend to own a gun, play paintball, etc. I personally know dozens of kids still in their teens as well as many more that are closer to my age (mid twenties) that own guns (actually multiple weapons). Once kids get out of highschool though they really tend to find their interests and buy things for themselves.

Gun sales have been sky rocketing in the last year or so.

If anything it would be harder now than it has been in the last 20 or so years, but probably easier than it was before some technological advances.

I think your "overpussification" theory is lacking, in reality the problem is American teens and young people are stupid, but that has futher reaching consequences. You don't have to be smart to pull a trigger, but it helps to know who to aim at.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

I think your "overpussification" theory is lacking, in reality the problem is American teens and young people are stupid, but that has futher reaching consequences. You don't have to be smart to pull a trigger, but it helps to know who to aim at.

But it's not just about shooting people. How many of them can survive without air-conditioning and McDonalds? How many can stay quiet and concealed while getting eaten alive by mosquitoes and horseflies?

Sure, I can show someone how to shoot a gun effectively in 10 minutes or less, but that doesn't make them a warrior.

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Less than 10%

I know people that would rather hole up and die than try to produce basic necessities to survive.

This is why I'm often depressed and saying things on this forum like, "let them burn"...I mean, they are pretty much asking for it at this point.

The weak will perish. What of it? It's only natural.

Because in America it is the right thing to do,remember this ?rotect the innocent,convince the undecided and kill the rest.

Those people are all innocent.You would be extremely surprised and what you will do when you have no choice.The trick is not to loose yourself to it.Once they know the way things are going they will show up to do their part as they are able.The girls will like the best fighters because they will survive,the ladies love Alphas anyway.That will make a huge sway in all American males over puberty.How can you fawn over the latest shoes when none are being imported and you're hungry? Combat boots will be cool because winter is a bitch in sneakers.
Lone wolfs will not be cool because they are self absorbed and don't help.Heres another one:Improvise ,adapt and over come".I think that one is from my Marine American brothers,who wear funny hats but they are good back up in bar fights.I am an Army American of the Cavalry clan.

The folks in the inner cities and in the south are hardly pussies.An invading forc (FOLKS HAVE STILL YET TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY GET HERE) better not land in the southeastern US. There are more rednecks and guns down here than you can possibly imagine.