Why are there so many naysayers on this site?

(Hope this topic is okay to put here. I didn't see any "general talk" forums.)

But, seriously, it seems like no matter what the topic, there are people who come out of the woodwork to tell the OP or anyone who agrees with the OP just how wrong or stupid they are.

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Sometimes shaluach, you got to maneuver past the IGNORANCE that's not DENIED here on ATS, it is what it is...

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it seems like no matter what the topic, there are people who come out of the woodwork to tell the OP or anyone who agrees with the OP just how wrong or stupid they are.


I know..! Isn't it loads of Fun..!

LOL. Thanks for the replies

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yeah, this is something i don't get either, fair enough if they have a valid argument but sometimes you just get people who have nothing better to say than ''what a load of rubbish'' etc, but if its not something they have an interest in why bother posting pointless negative comments, if i read something that i thought was a bit far fetched i would simply leave the thread and move onto another one rather than try to bring the op down or make them look stupid, thats just not my style.

i don't get where the respect has gone... obviously i'm not taking about the majority of people on ats i'd like to add

Originally posted by Minnie1985
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yeah, this is something i don't get either, fair enough if they have a valid argument but sometimes you just get people who have nothing better to say than ''what a load of rubbish'' etc, but if its not something they have an interest in why bother posting pointless negative comments, if i read something that i thought was a bit far fetched i would simply leave the thread and move onto another one rather than try to bring the op down or make them look stupid, thats just not my style.

i don't get where the respect has gone... obviously i'm not taking about the majority of people on ats i'd like to add

Yeah. It's like you always have someone show up on a thread to point out how "ridiculous" the topic or experience is/was. There are a lot of topics I disagree with, but I'm not trolling those threads or forums trying to debunk them or call people out. I stick to the topics I like and agree with and look for interesting information.

Its because they dont want you to THINK for your self.

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OP it would be better if you mention the topic at hand where these disagreement and name calling is happening.

For examples, that is very common on Religious forum.

But you would barely see that on a Space Exploration and Science and Technology.

Its all about being specific, don't lump everyone on this site together lol.


edit: also should have started this on Rant section !

So, instead of being critical, ask for sources, do research and look behind the topic, we should all just agree with the "OP" and give him stars and flags? So...just say "Oh great story" "Oh what a great Topic" or "Yeah that light you saw in in your backyard was clearly an alien Spaceship" or "Yeah we belive in Ghosts because your stupid dog behaved 'weirdly' so it was cleary a paranormal activity"
What about those people who predict earthquakes and wars every other month? Just agree with them and head for our shelters? Is that the way it should go? Is that denying ignorance?
I don't think so

We're all people, we're all different and even if we're all on ATS not all people here are paranoid and believe we're chased down by the man in black who work for the "TPTB" who wants to have "TSHTF" for "WW3" and a complete crisis to wipe out the entire planet.

To Deny Ignorance means to do ask, do research, prove people wrong (with sources) and that is what's going on here. If you don't like it, leave - i bet there's a forum out there that jumps on every "I filmed a light on the street!!! It's clearly a UFO!!!" topic and go with it.

Deny ignorance doesn't mean "hate on the mainstream media, ignore all news shows, believe in every stupid blog and 'reports' from people without any proof, pictures or videos and that's the main problem here on ATS. Somebody tells a story that may came right out of a horror novel and people believe it. Even if it's completely absurd and superficial - people believe it, without asking for further proof and those people who want to see more proof, pictures, videos (come on we're living in the 21st century it's not the wild west anymore) are made fun of because they just don't believe every # they read here

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i was under the impression OP is talking about name calling...

im 100% toward asking questions and doubting and of course UNBIASED source.

Originally posted by ShadowAngel85
So, instead of being critical, ask for sources, do research and look behind the topic, we should all just agree with the "OP" and give him stars and flags? So...just say "Oh great story" "Oh what a great Topic" or "Yeah that light you saw in in your backyard was clearly an alien Spaceship" or "Yeah we belive in Ghosts because your stupid dog behaved 'weirdly' so it was cleary a paranormal activity"
What about those people who predict earthquakes and wars every other month? Just agree with them and head for our shelters? Is that the way it should go? Is that denying ignorance?
I don't think so

We're all people, we're all different and even if we're all on ATS not all people here are paranoid and believe we're chased down by the man in black who work for the "TPTB" who wants to have "TSHTF" for "WW3" and a complete crisis to wipe out the entire planet.

To Deny Ignorance means to do ask, do research, prove people wrong (with sources) and that is what's going on here. If you don't like it, leave - i bet there's a forum out there that jumps on every "I filmed a light on the street!!! It's clearly a UFO!!!" topic and go with it.

Deny ignorance doesn't mean "hate on the mainstream media, ignore all news shows, believe in every stupid blog and 'reports' from people without any proof, pictures or videos and that's the main problem here on ATS. Somebody tells a story that may came right out of a horror novel and people believe it. Even if it's completely absurd and superficial - people believe it, without asking for further proof and those people who want to see more proof, pictures, videos (come on we're living in the 21st century it's not the wild west anymore) are made fun of because they just don't believe every # they read here

Thank you, ShadowAngel, for proving my point. Look at how negative you went, even to the point of inventing strawmen to attack instead of looking at what I really said.

No, not everything should be swallowed that people post, but neither did I say that if we disagree with "doomsday prophets" who claim a big earthquake is coming that we should run off to bunkers to hide. I never made that claim and so I won't defend myself against something I never said.

But just because YOU (or I or anyone else) might think it's stupid that someone thinks they experienced a ghost because their dog acted weird, doesn't mean you have to talk condescendingly to them or call them stupid. That's not denying ignorance. That's called being an asshole. If you don't like their post, don't flag it or star it (another position that I did NOT take), just ignore it. What's the big deal. If they think they experienced a ghost, so what?

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So, instead of being critical, ask for sources, do research and look behind the topic, we should all just agree with the "OP" and give him stars and flags?


hi, i don't think this is what the op means at all, if you have proof to prove the person wrong or have an opinion that they are willing to discuss then fair enough, but if all they've got to say is '' what a load of rubbish'' then its really not helpful in the slightest, i do not mean any disrespect by this reply so please don't take this as a dig as it really isn't

Originally posted by VoidHawk
Its because they dont want you to THINK for your self.

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if anything, wouldn't that re-inforce someone to think even harder?
someone denying a perceived truth?

I know if someone told me I was wrong I would look into it to see why they would say that.

Why wouldn't you want to hear those people? that actually makes no sense.
Do you really want to be surrounded by idiots who agree with you all the time??

you need that third party clarification to maintain a legitimate outlook, otherwise you're just biased all the time.

Basically, my point is when I first joined the site, I thought it was a site for people who were into conspiracy theories and things of that nature to come together and discuss things. I thought it was for like-minded individuals. And while I do see a lot of support, I also see A LOT of negative posts and comments from people.

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I think it is okay as long as they don't ridicule and the thread is dealing with verifiable topics.

What gets me is when people come into the threads discussing very controversial stuff such as the existence of aliens, esoteric/metaphysical beliefs and so on. These are not topics in which you either believe or you don't. To come into the thread and call everyone stupid, pathetic, grasping at straws, etc. serves to only disrupt the thread.

If they have an opinion and want to let others know, that's fine, but to come back over and over and ridicule people's comments regarding subject matter that cannot really be proven one way or another is over the top.

An example:

9/11 thread discussing the official story vs. what some belief was an orchestrated event
--This can be debated because there are facts and evidence to be dealt with.

9/11 threads discussing the possibility of it being an Illuminati ritual based on numerology and symbolism
--This is one that either believe or you don't and no amount of debating will really change someone's mind.

I agree OP, and it boggles my mind how trolls appear then hit and run on any topic. It doesn't matter if it's controversial or not, they're there to put you down.

Here is one my favorite examples from a thread I did about Charlie Chaplin:

The wicked PTB salute you and laugh at you.

While you puff yourselves up with how "good" you are ("ohhh, I never knew this about Charlie Chaplin--look at me, I am a moonbat do-gooder and soon to be a god, just like the movies and evolution tell me"), the satanic new world order moves forward.....pathetic and sad.

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Same here. It amazes me the number of people who are on this site to simply dismiss conspiracy theories and other subject matter that is controversial. I thought of it as a safe haven that also denied ignorance by not allowing people to use falsehoods and misinformation. But what I see now is people being ridiculed for even having the belief at all.

Many ATS threads read much like a youtube or news article comment section now. Just a bunch of people yelling at eachother and getting incredibly upset when others belief something that does not affect their lives in any way.

Originally posted by shaluach
Basically, my point is when I first joined the site, I thought it was a site for people who were into conspiracy theories and things of that nature to come together and discuss things. I thought it was for like-minded individuals. And while I do see a lot of support, I also see A LOT of negative posts and comments from people.

that should give you a clue into the personal lives of some, and the quality of life in general.
when the internet heats up with negativity about certain topics, it is a reflection of the world around them in general.

the likeminded individuals are a lot more passive then the hatred from someone actually looking to share it.
so of course you're going to come across the hate more then the love since hate seeks it out whereas love seems to dwell.

It balances out the legions of people who will believe any baseless crap that people put out there.

Oh, this topic is just a load of rubbish!

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LOL!

While there are many people here who are brilliant, there are also those who just have nothing better to do than fling poo across the boards. Some seem to have flag and star envy and flame the OP for posting. It's rather funny actually.

I do appreciate the ones who contribute here with valid, respectful arguments. After all, nobody ever knows the full story until they have seen all sides.

It's easy to ignore the poo flingers and still experience the true value of this site. Just choose not to allow it to get to you and DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!