Will the real Jesus Christ please stand up? The whitewashing of history.

Originally posted by Covertblack
Haha you are saying it's a huge difference because of the true color of his skin? So are Christians supposed to toss all his teachings because he wasn't blond and blue eyed?

I would have to say yes, that is the reason. Ever seen what men who are born in the Middle East look like? Black skin and black hair and kinky beard. Not tall, tanned, brown on brown and European. I guess a Black man is OK to steal their cars, but not to be their savour. What will they all do if God himself is Black? (If he created there, in Mesopotamia and made man in his image, then he surely is)

Originally posted by 001ggg100
First you need to prove that this jesus fellow existed to begin with... And refrain from using the bible as that book is completely unreliable....

Seriously people, what difference does it make what the skin, eye, hair color was of your imaginary god?

Well from a historical aspect there is Josephus he was a Jewish historian who was born in either 37 or 38 AD and died some time after 100 AD. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually rose from the dead!

Then theres the Annals and the Histories written by Tacitus. He was a Roman historian and has been described as the greatest historian of Rome.Tacitus affirms that the founder of Christianity, a man he calls Chrestus (a common misspelling of Christ, which was Jesus’ surname), was executed by Pilate, the procurator of Judea during the reign of the Roman emperor Tiberias.

theres the ossuary the ancient Aramaic words inscribed on the limestone box state that it belonged to "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus."

Then theres the Talmud which mentions the execution and talks about his followers.

And just for kicks the Qur'an, Surah 19:30-35 "Thereupon she pointed to him. They said, 'How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?' Jesus said, 'I am a servant of ALLAH. HE has given me the Book, and has made me a Prophet; 'And HE has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me Prayer and almsgiving so long as I live; 'And HE has made me dutiful towards my mother, and has not made me arrogant and graceless; 'And peace was on me the day I was born, and peace will be on me the day I shall die, and the day I shall be raised up to life again.' That was Jesus, son of Mary. This is a statement of the truth concerning which they entertain doubt."

So theres some stuff besides the bible

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Do you think Jesus cares what race people view him as?

I don't know. As I said to others on this thread, it isn't about the "importance" of what race he was; it's about the importance of historical fact. Again, for hundreds of years when he was portrayed as White it WAS important what color he was. Now when people portray him as anything but White, it suddenly becomes "not important." I take issue with that personally.

Originally posted by 001ggg100
reply to post by shaluach

 

There was a time I would have jumped down your throat for, what I would have termed, "your infantile beliefs"... But I am getting older and wiser. The one thing I have learned from debating folks like yourself...And I use "debate" very loosely... is that you are not willing to even listen to the other side of the debate... I look for those with a semblance of objectivity... And excuse me if this sounds mean but, you and folks like you are devoid of....

I'm sorry but facts need no objectivity. You can attempt to subtly insult me all you want. That means less than nothing to me. If someone provided evidence that he was indeed Caucasian, I'd consider it. But I will not consider falsehoods just because someone surmises them. The Scriptural evidence is there and every piece of "evidence" provided to prove that he was White has been debunked already.

Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by Covertblack
Haha you are saying it's a huge difference because of the true color of his skin? So are Christians supposed to toss all his teachings because he wasn't blond and blue eyed?

I would have to say yes, that is the reason. Ever seen what men who are born in the Middle East look like? Black skin and black hair and kinky beard. Not tall, tanned, brown on brown and European. I guess a Black man is OK to steal their cars, but not to be their savour. What will they all do if God himself is Black? (If he created there, in Mesopotamia and made man in his image, then he surely is)

Of course Jesus was black he called everybody 'brother' and he couldn't get a fair trial! Sorry guys i could help it.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Not that it matters, but what evidence is there that Jesus was "Black"..?

Did you bother to read the OP?

Originally posted by shaluach

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Do you think Jesus cares what race people view him as?

I don't know. As I said to others on this thread, it isn't about the "importance" of what race he was; it's about the importance of historical fact. Again, for hundreds of years when he was portrayed as White it WAS important what color he was. Now when people portray him as anything but White, it suddenly becomes "not important." I take issue with that personally.

And once again I posit that if you came here and posted that Jesus was actually pale of skin with blondish brown hair and blue eyes you would have received the same reception.

Eric

Originally posted by shaluach

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Do you think Jesus cares what race people view him as?

I don't know. As I said to others on this thread, it isn't about the "importance" of what race he was; it's about the importance of historical fact. Again, for hundreds of years when he was portrayed as White it WAS important what color he was. Now when people portray him as anything but White, it suddenly becomes "not important." I take issue with that personally.

The man's got a point here.
I'm just saying...

Originally posted by Azadok2day

What exactly are you saying that modern Jews bleached themselves because why? Or are you saying modern Jews are not Jews at all ? And every Jew today is a fake ? All historians are liars ?


Sow me in scripture were God has written that his chosen people are dark skinned ? And don't try to peg me as a racist I have black friends and some were my best of best friends in the service .

1. No I am not claiming that Jews bleached themselves.

2. I am saying that modern Jews do not look like ancient Hebrews looked

3. I didn't say every Jew today is a fake. Stop crafting strawmen.

4. What historians say that the ancient Hebrews were White.

5. I and others have illustrated numerous passages that show that the Hebrews were Black. Furthermore, this "chosen people" notion is outdated. It is abrogated by Galatians 3:28-29 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Upon accepting Christ as our savior, we ALL become his chosen people.

6. I love it. The old "I'm not racist; I have black friends" argument. I never said you were racist. But if you AREN'T racist then why did you feel the need to voice that sentiment when you were never accused of it? Why did you feel the name to throw out your "Black friend" card. Sounds a bit like a guilty conscience to me.

7. Modern Jews are not the same as ancient Hebrews. Time for a quick history lesson. Hebrews predate "Jews" and Israel, both the Scriptural nation and the modern secular country. Jew comes from the Tribe of Judah and is not designated to all Hebrews, descendents of Abraham through Jacob. When Israel rebelled against the Most HIgh and became a kingdom, Israel was split between northern and southern Israel. The Southern kingdom of Israel was the tribes of Judah and Benjamin and became known as Judah or the Jews.

Originally posted by Oldtimer2
reply to post by shaluach

 

All the jewish people I know are white,blond hair blue eyes,some have afro like hair,Jesus was Jewish,had he been black would have been referred to as a moor,some peole wil try anything to justify their off beat rant,give it up dude,you can twist words but the facts remain

Completely wrong, Oldtimer. The Moors (the ones that existed pre-Islam) were from Northern Africa, Morocco. Jesus was not from Morocco so he would not have been identified as such.

Yes, the facts do remain. And you and others like you have no facts. All you can do is attack me and call my posts "rants" and say I "twist words." It's amusing how offended people get when you claim Jesus was anything but White.

Originally posted by dragonridr

Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by Covertblack
Haha you are saying it's a huge difference because of the true color of his skin? So are Christians supposed to toss all his teachings because he wasn't blond and blue eyed?

I would have to say yes, that is the reason. Ever seen what men who are born in the Middle East look like? Black skin and black hair and kinky beard. Not tall, tanned, brown on brown and European. I guess a Black man is OK to steal their cars, but not to be their savour. What will they all do if God himself is Black? (If he created there, in Mesopotamia and made man in his image, then he surely is)

Of course Jesus was black he called everybody 'brother' and he couldn't get a fair trial! Sorry guys i could help it.

Hilarious.

Originally posted by Q2IN2Y

Originally posted by shaluach

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Do you think Jesus cares what race people view him as?

I don't know. As I said to others on this thread, it isn't about the "importance" of what race he was; it's about the importance of historical fact. Again, for hundreds of years when he was portrayed as White it WAS important what color he was. Now when people portray him as anything but White, it suddenly becomes "not important." I take issue with that personally.

The man's got a point here.
I'm just saying...

Thanks, Q!

Well, unfortunately, the writer of the fable is long dead, otherwise we could ask him what color he meant his character to be.

reply to post by shaluach


From the research I've done, Jesus was probably a man of color, similar in appearance to individuals in North East Africa or the Levant/South West Asia. I don't like to clump people together into tidy terms such as "black" or "white", but depictions of Jesus vary all across the world. In Japan he's depicted with stereotypical East Asian features, whereas in the Western World, he's akin to a blue-eyed, light-skinned European man.

I just see one problem with this. If followers of Christian denominations believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and he happened to be a "black" man, this puts "black" people closer to God and only fuels more racial demarcation.

EDIT: By the way. If anyone has any questions regarding the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians, feel free to ask.

Originally posted by Viking9019
reply to post by Nightchild

 

Lets not forget that Afrocentrics see everything in black and white.They think like children and dark skin,any dark skin,whether it be light brown,has to be black for them.

The Egyptians depicted themselves as being light skinned as well as dark skinned,but with Middle Eastern facial features and not black(they were the slaves).

And let's completely ignore Euro-centrics and their perversion of the truth.

First off, you need to accept that fact that Africa has the highest genetic diversity out of any other continent. What are "Middle Eastern facial features"? You're basically saying these traits are only indigenous outside of Africa, and in-situ biological evolution cannot account for phenotypical traits like "nose bridges" or "straight/wavy hair".

Also, Libyans, Asiatics and Nubians were all PRISONERS OF WAR at one time or another due to various conflicts throughout the 3,000 years this illustrious civilization lasted. Egypt had its closest ties with NUBIA. I get the impression you think the only purpose of "blacks" inhabiting regions close to Egypt was to be a slave.

Originally posted by IEtherianSoul9
reply to post by shaluach

 

From the research I've done, Jesus was probably a man of color, similar in appearance to individuals in North East Africa or the Levant/South West Asia. I don't like to clump people together into tidy terms such as "black" or "white", but depictions of Jesus vary all across the world. In Japan he's depicted with stereotypical East Asian features, whereas in the Western World, he's akin to a blue-eyed, light-skinned European man.

Except that the dominant, "popular," and generally accepted "factual" image of Christ has been considered the "White" one. Poll everyone in America and I guarantee the majority will claim that Jesus was White, especially among White people.

Originally posted by IEtherianSoul9
I just see one problem with this. If followers of Christian denominations believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, and he happened to be a "black" man, this puts "black" people closer to God and only fuels more racial demarcation.

Are you saying it was okay for hundreds of years when White people promoted the lie that Jesus was White and thus White people were special, but when people whether White or Black promote the historical fact that Jesus was Black it's a bad thing because, God forbid, Black people might feel "special" after all of the s*** they have been through, especially in America? When Black people do it, it "only fuels more racial demarcation"?

How does promoting historical fact is now equal promoting racism?

And if I am wrong in my assessment of what you are saying then I apologize. This is just how it's coming across to me.

Originally posted by KnawLick
Buddah was actually from India and very skinny but yet he's always pictures with oriental eyes and being overweight.

He's not, you're not thinking of the right Buddha. You're thinking of Budai.

From the link :

Budai, or Hotei in Japanese, Bố Đại in Vietnamese, is a Chinese folkloric deity. His name means "Cloth Sack," and comes from the bag that he is conventionally depicted as carrying. He is usually identified with (or as an incarnation of) Maitreya, so much so that the Budai image is one of the main forms in which Maitreya is depicted in East Asia. He is almost always shown smiling or laughing, hence his nickname in Chinese, the Laughing Buddha (Chinese: 笑佛). Many Westerners confuse Budai with Gautama Buddha.

Or maybe that's what you were trying to say, apologies if so.

As for Jesus : if he's inside you then he's still around, and all colours, right? The way I see it : All the Gods and Goddesses are still around and represented through anyone that's inspired enough by them, so they're all types of colours. Our bodies are vessels, and those that inspire us live on through us to whatever degree we want them to.

I got The Real Slim Shady stuck in my head now, thanks a lot...

But, yeah, everyone with half a brain and some understanding of the Messiah and his origins know that Yeshua, or Jesus, wasn't actually white. In fact, the name the catholics gave to him, Jesus, is his white name. His real Hebrew name is long and hard to pronounce, but is simplified to Yeshua.

reply to post by shaluach


Call me crazy, but I never thought he was Caucasian or Black....I thought he was Jewish!

Anyway....I do find the theory that much of the artwork was based on the likeness of Cesare Borgia interesting.....Any proof to back that up, other than the fact that the two images resemble one another?

Interestingly Flavius Josephus claims he was a hunchback with a unibrow! www.roadjunky.com...

According to the "Pleiadian Contactee" Billy Meier, the real Jesus should be Talmud Jmmanuel, www.crystalinks.com...

As recounted in the unabridged version of Message from the Pleiades, Vol. 2, Meier was taken back in time by the extraterrestrial Asket where he met personally with Jmmanuel, alleged to be the real Jesus, and who told Meier that Meier's evolution was higher than that of Jmmanuel himself, saying, >>Truly, your evolution has proceeded for 2000 years further, which fact I have not considered.