Blocks from Giza pyramid, found to be manmade

Originally posted by one4all
We know what the people who worked there ate,what they wore,and what conditions they physically lived with mediclly but we cant figure out how they built the structures???

This is obvioulsly a suppression of information,it is not possible for us to not see how they did this.

I agree with you. Something doesn't add up.

Today anyone can log on and see that the pyramids are a power generator or a pump or a combonation of both,it is obvious.

Well, we can be certain Kufu was never in the Great Pyramid, and it is a Wonder for the World, even today.

Its like the twin towers on 911---the engineers refused to go quietly into the night and banded together to tell their truth,do we all understand what that means??These fine men and women HAD TO BAND TOGETHER TO SIMPLY TELL THE TRUTH.What were they banding together to protect themselves from???What could be so powerful that these educated professional people felt the need to seek security in overwhelming numbers??What power could reach out and cause them so much concern that they would do that??

The Controlling/Ruling Families that have done this same sort of thing for Millennium. It is nothing new. It's been going on all throughout "recorded" History.

They sit on Thrones around this Planet. They Run the Banks and the Media, and meet in secretive sects (Masons / Illuminati / Religious). They decide who will be elected in our "apparent" democratic systems. They have always won the Wars, (infact they likely started most of them as well).

They would be the Victors. History records what the Victors indicate it should. Nothing more, and most definitely, not the truth.

Why is humanity in every educated corner of our world doing the same thing today---banding together like a bunch of little groups of sheep trying to all stay safe from the wolf,or like little schools of fish all worried into swarming balls,broken away from each other as our main school is split into pieces by SOMETHING.

I suggest we look at the Victors for that SOMETHING.

So, if the premise is maintained, and History is recorded by the Victors, we must consider, what made them Victorious?

Their ability to conquer and control for the last 6000 Years or more. These same Families have been running the Show, ever since they created the show to run. The Thrones of Europa, can trace their ancestry back to Adam, as Bonny Prince Charles has noted many times publically. The Banks and the Media are also offsets of these ruling parties. To what end has it been to record History, as they have done. It Serves Their Master's Agenda.

But data has been SUPPRESSED by someone,and it has forever damaged humanitys progress...................

And this is Their Master's Agenda. It's the realm of Babble. Confusion and Illusion run the day. It always has, and still is today. Examples?

You Americans think the Federal Reserve is an American Asset, when it's a tribute mechanism for the throne of England. You pay a percentage to It, (The Throne), to print your illusionary money.

We in Canada, as well as around the Globe, think Canadian Elections are an shining example of Democracy in it's finest. Sadly Queen Beatrice and her Builderburger collegues "Tap" our Prime Ministers, and set the course for elections between Socialist Lite, Socialist, and Socialist Extreme parties. We celebrate the fact we chose a Prime Minister, when we only effectively opted for a degree of socialism to live by. THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY. it is a ruse.

It's the same in the U.S. Mitt Romney may have just been tapped to President by this group a week ago. He'll win in November.

.......Seriously---there is only one answer so lets find it and make it known. And if we cant do that lets find out who or what is preventing us from doing so and lets change the dynamic............................

It's the What that is the Subject that needs to be centered out. The Victors MASTER. What dark entity could plausibly from behind it all, hide from public view, yet hold sway over His Puppets/People?

I think C.S. Lewis and his Screwtape Letters novel was this subject brought to reason. Question then becomes, how to expose It.

Oooops I forgot,we already HAVE figured out most of these things,but SOMEONE or SOMETHING is SUPPRESSING the information,so really we all have a common problem and it isnt wasteing any more resources re-solveing mysteries ,we just need to find out who or what is dumbing us down and change the dynamic.........................

Satan. It's a deceptive attempt to dismiss GOD. It's really quite simple, and effective, so far.

Isaiah 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord. 20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt:....

Who's Pyramid? Really

Shane

reply to post by Shane

The Controlling/Ruling Families that have done this same sort of thing for Millennium. It is nothing new. It's been going on all throughout "recorded" History.

Ever since the first time I heard about it as a child. The fire at the Great Library of Alexandria has bothered me. I believe it was not an accident. I think it was an intentional act to suppress information and technology.

It was done to rewrite history as we know it.


en.wikipedia.org...

The Royal Library of Alexandria, or Ancient Library of Alexandria, in Alexandria, Egypt, was the largest and most significant great library of the ancient world. It flourished under the patronage of the Ptolemaic dynasty and functioned as a major center of scholarship from its construction in the 3rd century BC until the Roman conquest of Egypt in 30 BC.

The library was conceived and opened either during the reign of Ptolemy I Soter (323–283 BC) or during the reign of his son Ptolemy II (283–246 BC).

Plutarch (AD 46–120) wrote that during his visit to Alexandria in 48 BC Julius Caesar accidentally burned the library down when he set fire to his own ships to frustrate Achillas' attempt to limit his ability to communicate by sea. After its destruction, scholars used a "daughter library" in a temple known as the Serapeum, located in another part of the city.

Intended both as a commemoration and an emulation of the original, the Bibliotheca Alexandrina was inaugurated in 2002 near the site of the old library.

In 2004, a Polish-Egyptian excavation team announced that they had discovered the remains of the Library of Alexandria.[5]

Originally posted by Ookie
Once again, I own a chunk off this pyramid. It is sitting before me. It has tons of delicate fossils in it. Sea creatures. These could not be in there if the rock had been ground up and then poured like concrete. It is limestone. Concrete is a form of limestone. But it is limestone that has first been heated then crushed to powder.

It is utterly impossible for this rock to have been man made. Period.

I do not understand why people wonder about how they built the pyramids. That was proven 30 years ago. There is no mystery there. At all. None.

You want a mystery? How did they move those stones at the temple of Baalbek? Those suckers were enormous and they stacked them like bricks. WTF?

Also if no one has mentioned it. Why would you not use a consistent form and make perfect blocks if you are pouring and not have to make a new form for each odd shape.

reply to post by Char-Lee

Also if no one has mentioned it. Why would you not use a consistent form and make perfect blocks if you are pouring and not have to make a new form for each odd shape.

Uniform blocks that do not inter lock actually creates weakness in the structures.

Having different size blocks actually helps distribute the forces from an earthquake better than if they were all the same size.

Originally posted by IpsissimusMagus
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

Also if no one has mentioned it. Why would you not use a consistent form and make perfect blocks if you are pouring and not have to make a new form for each odd shape.

Uniform blocks that do not inter lock actually creates weakness in the structures.

Having different size blocks actually helps distribute the forces from an earthquake better than if they were all the same size.

Then if you have to use forms, wouldn't you make interlocking blocks in several variations and reuse the forms over and over? The ones in the pyramid seems so random.

reply to post by scrounger

Let me break it down to you to a more simpler way for you.

Sometime in say a 1000 years from now people would find a SR71 and compare it to the starships of their time.

You are comparing a PILE OF ROCKS, to a purpose built air-plane.

The analogy is flawed on a fundamental level.... that level is where you assert some practical application of the pyramids, that you absolutely refuse to elucidate or divulge.

If you are not going to bother explaining why a lump of rocks in *ANY WAY* is similar to a purpose built airplane, then I suggest you take your analogy, and place it somewhere even the denizens of the nine hells themselves would not touch with a rusty 20 foot halberd.....

Have I made myself perfectly clear?


The reason that Archaeologist call the pyramids a pile of rocks, is because that is precisely what they are.

The reason that Archeologistst wouldn't call the SR-71 "Just a lump of metal" is because it is Decidedly MORE than a lump of metal.

It's the same reason that they called "Papyrus" *A form of Paper* as opposed to "A lump of plant pulp"

Why they called clay pots, *CLAY POTS*, instead of lumps of earth.....


Because they had PURPOSE.... the pyramids *ARE* and will always remain, GIANT PILES OF ROCKS.

They have no other purpose.

Get over yourself, and your lame analogies.

reply to post by Harte

Good questions.

Here's more.

Actually? No... not at all.

1) If the pyramid stones were poured in place, how'd they get the mortar between them?

They didn't have mortar between them, because the blocks were *MADE* from mortar.

2) If the pyramid stones were poured in place, how'd they get the bottom of the form out from under each block?

Sigh... the Top of the one you are building on, is the bottom of the one you are pouring.

Thus, there is no need to remove the "Bottom of the Mould" because it is one of the construction blocks.

3) If the pyramid stones were poured in place, why are they all different sizes?

Because you can pour a viscous liquid into different sized......


Seriously?

Did you *SERIOUSLY* just ask that last question?

I mean... dude... what the [snip]?

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia

Because they had PURPOSE.... the pyramids *ARE* and will always remain, GIANT PILES OF ROCKS.

They have no other purpose.

Get over yourself, and your lame analogies.

You are completely unqualified to state this conclusion of yours as fact. You are also ignorant to think that the only still standing man-made wonder of the World has no purpose other being "a pile of rocks".

It may not have a purpose that you understand. It may not have a purpose that believe was effective. But that does not in any way shape or form lead an intelligent person to conclude that it had no purpose at all.

Get a clue.

reply to post by ErtaiNaGia


Incorrect, archaeologists call it a tomb

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Gysum mortar is in place between all known stones, it didn't actually bind the rocks but probably acted as a lubricant to faciliate maneuvering it in place

Here's an image to give people a better idea of the reality of pouring concrete to create blocks and forms.



It's called 'shuttering' and the wet concrete weighs the same as dry concrete plus the weight of the water. Drying out can take days depending on the volume. The wooden props you can see are so the setting concrete doesn't *burst* the panel enclosure/mould.

If you look at these 2 pictures, you see that they have flattened the stones afterwards which is of course as well, impressive! I don't see them with a sissel doing that or by pounding them.. that's crazy work?. Why only parts are flattened is strange also.





Pictures from this link:
RIDDLES OF THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS
geolines.ru...

It's odd the below stones (from granite stones it seems) look really different than the layers above, which could mean they build on top of an older structure or that they went the cheap route for making it faster. And 3th perhaps, the base needs to be from other quality for a stronger base so that it can survive for ages and for example earthquakes, a STRONG foundation?
And again the low rows look really similar like found in Peru, even with those knobs on them.

I really wonder if you go to the opposite side of the Pyramids you will find an exact copy with the same sized stones, since there are Egyptian stone structures/walls which are mirrored and exactly a copy from the other side!
Or like the statue from Ramesses, if you make a negative picture of it and place it turned around above the original picture, you see, the sides are a complete mirror image as well.

Can't find a link so fast which shows that, but it's also shown in the revelations of the pyramids at 14 minutes (the mirrored walls, the Ramesses (mirrored) face somewhat further.
Revelations of the Pyramids

Would be a shocker if that would be the case, that the sides (probably only the lower layers) of some Pyramids are a mirrored copy from the opposite side(s).

Originally posted by IpsissimusMagus
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

Uniform blocks that do not inter lock actually creates weakness in the structures.

Having different size blocks actually helps distribute the forces from an earthquake better than if they were all the same size.

Yes this is something consistently observed in very ancient structures, they are deliberately made with different size blocks to avoid creating fracture lines (lines of structural weakness) in the wall.

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
He is vindicated - good! I read Davidovits' book years ago, and was convinced even without the electron microscopy. Davidovits quotes Herodotus, who mentioned pyramid construction using "...machines made of short planks of wood..." Concrete forms? I think so, and that explains why the blocks fit so closely - one block served as the back or side form for the next block, as it was poured.

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The short planks of wood reference could be for the formers, but could also be part of a mechanism for actually mixing the block recipe.

There are large rectangular pits in front of at least one of the Giza pyramids, that several authors have thought might have served to house a large machine similar to a kind of vertical circular saw, used for cutting the blocks to shape...perhaps it was part of a large mixing machine for the concrete...the liquid mix could be delivered to the top of the build using large archimedies screws....maybe the internal screw was comprised of short planks...interesting thread.

reply to post by Kandinsky


That's modern concrete K...this is a different recipe, using lots more lime, and slaked lime...which means it would have dried out much faster i'd imagine.

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by LUXUS

That’s easy, you cast a block then you leave a gap the length of a block and repeat. When those cure you use the sides of the cast blocks as part of the mould to fill in the gap i.e. you just put boards on the faces and no need for boards on the sides. As for boards underneath the blocks...you don’t need them.

And yet there is space between each block and the one on top of it.

How did this happen if they were poured one on top of the other?

Harte

I already explained this but the only way you will understand it is to do it. Get an old plastic bucket, fill it half full of concrete and let it set. When it is fully set fill the other half with concrete and let that set. So according to your theory these two halves should be bonded together right? Get a knife and cut the bucket open to release the cured block.

One tap of a hammer and the two halves will separate into two blocks! If you were to leave this to be weathered for some time a line/gap will become visible between the two halves.

Those blocks on the pyramid have been blasted with sand storms and rain for thousands of years, you cannot compare fresh cast blocks with ones that have been weathered in this way realistically.

Originally posted by LUXUS

Those blocks on the pyramid have been blasted with sand storms and rain for thousands of years, you cannot compare fresh cast blocks with ones that have been weathered in this way realistically.

You keep forgetting that the blocks were cut out in one piece, that they have gypsum mortar between them and that erosion doesn't cause the size of one block to change. AGAIN look at the core stones, look at the pictures of the undressed stones provided.


Here is clearer shot - now are you saying, that these stones were cast?



Now before you attempt to hand wave it away with erosion these stones spent most of the past 4,000+ years under sand





ooops, I made a mistake here but just for fun I'll leave it in - who can detect the archaeological mis-identification I've made?

I wonder how many times these pyramids have been remodeled since their creation? I know they stripped the faceblocks off some of them and used them on newer structures.

I still think they are huge planters, the energy flow up the slopes would grow plants fast. If they were designed to pull water out of the underground aquifers this would be great. A camel or deer can't eat your garden either You could grow all the food for a whole civilization on one of those. The overall temperature of the soils would stay constant also with a heatsink like that. Raised garden is my vote. Now if we put garden balconies on all our skyscrapers we could do this too.

Originally posted by rickymouse
I wonder how many times these pyramids have been remodeled since their creation? I know they stripped the faceblocks off some of them and used them on newer structures.

I still think they are huge planters, the energy flow up the slopes would grow plants fast. If they were designed to pull water out of the underground aquifers this would be great. A camel or deer can't eat your garden either

You could grow all the food for a whole civilization on one of those. The overall temperature of the soils would stay constant also with a heatsink like that. Raised garden is my vote. Now if we put garden balconies on all our skyscrapers we could do this too.

On the off chance you were serious, : ]



The pyramids were given smooth sided, the remnant of the outer casing stones you can see at the top of Khafre's tomb

Originally posted by Hanslune



You keep forgetting that the blocks were cut out in one piece, that they have gypsum mortar between them and that erosion doesn't cause the size of one block to change. AGAIN look at the core stones, look at the pictures of the undressed stones provided.

Whilst I know a soft mortar of gypsum and sand was used to fill the gaps between the polished limestone outer casing stones I never read that it was actually used between the limestone blocks beneath other then to help cement the outer casing stones.

they found one of these celtic crosses ( for building and measuring star angles ) along with a star chart equating to about 10,000 bc in a sealed shaft in the pyramid...

these folks were older and smarter then most people realise