*Breaking News* Update From Baltic USO Exploration Team

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I understand that, but if it was delayed a lot by weather I would expect an update saying that.

News ?

The latest on the 'adventure' as they call it

truthfall.com...

- There are THREE objects of interest – the main circular anomaly, a smaller secondary object like a “Gothic church window” 200 metres away and a 90ft high and 900ft wide rock outcrop with a crack running through it some 1500 metres South.
- The team have stated they are not really interested in the second anomaly, although the reason for this is unclear, given that it may be a fragment of the main anomaly that broke off on impact.
- The objects lie in 80-85 metres depth of water.
- Visibility is 2-3 feet maximum.
- The object is 60 metres (approx 200ft wide) roughly equivalent to the wingspan of Boeing 747.
- The main circular anomaly is not a rock formation.
- Russian and US Navy ships are NOT looking for the object, nor are they blocking the OceanX team – this is unsubstantiated rumour. The annual BALTOPS operation has nothing to do with the OceanX exploration.

Originally posted by Thill
reply to post by eNaR

 

Erm from what I understand it is pretty easy to track a vessel on sea . So proving that they went there is actually possible (if they did). Also about the fuel issue , it is not assuming anything, a 65 feet yacht burns up around 100-150 liters of fuel per hour now compare that to that ship and tell me how much it burns ?

Of course depends what engines they have there, but looking at the size of that I would say we can at least compare the engine power to a 65 feet luxury yacht engines..

edit on 12/6/12 by Thill because: (no reason given)

I'm not questioning how much fuel they'd use if they actually went out. Who knows how many times they've gone out and if they did, for what reason? And as to tracking them, that would only happen if someone thought they needed to be tracked.

Guess we'll find out more this week when they update as to the "hidden" (word used at their website) whatever on the seabed.

This undersea mystery gets more interesting by the day. After doing some research of the sonar view I am of the opinion that what we are seeing on the Baltic seabed is a very ancient submerged city. If it is a submerged city, the interest it will create in the archaeological world will be immense.

The section of the sonar image posted below shows a closer view. There is a larger version of the same image at the 'Direct view' link below. Have a look and see what you think.





Direct view:

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I'm keeping an open mind on this one.

On the one hand it does look fishy that on their website the artists depiction sure looks like a craft of some sort, but since they hadn't explored yet it makes it look like they are hyping.

But on the other hand, How many other great discoveries left the person who found it broke while others swooped in a made big money off it. They could be just protecting their investment.

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There be a lot more palaver, chin stroking and general chain yanking before this or any other theory is substantiated me hearties. The crew must be delighted with the results so far, but perhaps those that be on shore than off if ye get my meanin'.

Ahoy landlubbers! Man the Photoshop!

Don't know what to make of this but at the OceanX Facebook page the following was posted a few hours ago.

From the OceanX Facebook Page

Someone named Richard Janita posted a comment at the Facebook page saying it's a scam based on a document that he says the team uploaded to their website which has been removed. He gave a link to the cached copy. I Went to the cached web page, copied it and had google translate from Swedish to English.

Link to document in Swedish

This part says a lot about the unusual hidden whatever on the seabed floor...

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The third Ocean X Team will do their utmost to raise awareness of the Circle project and thus attracting considerable media value, which can be used in advertising. So far, about 700 million viewers around the world of networks through news broadcasts, Internet-based news outlets are not included.

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Here's the whole translation ...

Hello Thomas and Lolo! Thank you for a fruitful meeting, (the budget is a PDF document - is on your ftp now) and information about the wrecks projects Regarding the budget, you will notice that the stated sum of 5 million is exceeded, but some things should I have said, to get sponsored for, fuel etc. Here are some facts about the wreck and cargo value. Ocean X Team inserted 2012 The first Ocean X Team has a number of wrecks projects with an estimated value of the cargo a) Debris with 1680 bottles of champagne, value up to 100 000.-/flaska if there is Louis Roederer Crystal. (Ivärde 168.000.000kr) b) The Wreck of 1000 bottles of brandy and 300 bottles of liquor, worth approx 20 000. - / bottle (maybe more about cognac are made by Share Maine, cognac boxes are marked according to a customs document, "DHC") (ivärde 26.000.000kr) c) Burned Area of ​​200-600 bottles of Heidsieck & Co MONO POLE Gout Americain 1907, value of about 20 000/flaska (ivärde 12.000.000kr) The second Titan Television to produce a TV series on Ocean X Team. Revenue in the form of advertising and sales revenue, etc.? The third Ocean X Team will do their utmost to raise awareness of the Circle project and thus attracting considerable media value, which can be used in advertising. So far, about 700 million viewers around the world of networks through news broadcasts, Internet-based news outlets are not included. The fourth If the circle is something that can be salvaged and which is worth the money '. If the circle is a natural resource, the OX can not guarantee income when it is within an economic zone. The fifth Ocean X Team has a project in which three Fabergé eggs were smuggled in 1917 from Petrograd (St. Petersburg) can be hidden in a wreck. The value of a Fabergé egg today is 50-200 million. This project does not have a search area further and further archival research must be done on site in Russia. The sixth Ocean X Team has been invited to Panama and to seek wrecks on the Kuna Indians of water. A number of interesting projects in the area and the value can be from single millions to hundreds of millions, however, goes to a not yet negotiate

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but I watched 2001 again last night and right before the random civilians hanging out on the rotating space station grilled Heywood Floyd about what they found on the moon, he asked a woman how her husband was doing and she said "he's fine, just doing some underwater research in the Baltic."
I love it.

reply to post by eNaR


There was a thread started about it two days ago but it didn't get that much attention .... wonder why
Documents slipped: Baltic Sea UFO a publicity stunt to raise money by the treasure hunters

Originally posted by eNaR
This part says a lot about the unusual hidden whatever on the seabed floor...

No it doesnt. It doesnt say anything, in Swedish or in English. Just that they want to profit from it and that they obviously know what attraction the claim of a UFO is - even if its wrong. Which seems to be pretty standard in the buisness. By the text it looks like they are more interested in hyping it rather than actually finding something. It doesnt means its a hoaxed publicity stunt.

Unless of course, they already know what it is. IE nothing interesting.

This is a scam by someone with no shame that only want to milk the attention.
They were caught writing it down even, it's probably still cached on Google even though they deleted it, search for site: oceanexplorer.se doc. Use Google translate to translate from swedish.

I think the "leaked documents" can be ignored (in terms of the scam/no scam argument).

They simply confirm that this is a business venture, and that, ideally, the Ocean X team would really rather like it if they made some money out of this. Which is kind of reasonable given that they are a) treasure hunters and b) paying for a lot of the expedition themselves. They are not a research company or educational facility, so to be surprised by monetization is, I think, a little naive. To me, the leaked docs only confirm that yes, they really would like it be profitable (note how they remark that if it turns out to be a natural resource - I assume this includes "big hunk of useless rock" - that no return for the investors is guaranteed) and that that they probably have no idea what is is (at that time).

Also, the reason for lack of updates is probably fairly simple - if it's being filmed by a production company, they most likely have embargoed it to protect their rights, the same reason we haven't head a great deal about Cameron's Challenger Deep mission yet. I used to know Adam Davies, who went to the Congo to search out the Mkele-mbebe many years ago - this was filmed by Discovery Channel, and I seem to recall it took a long time for that to air.

If it is something earth-shattering, we'll know soon enough. If it is something more mundane like an old wreck of only historical interest, we'l get a brief update from the team and be told to watch the programme when it airs in six months.

Anyhoo. Whilst we are stuck waiting, why not use our brains a little bit? Here's a list of stuff people have mentioned so far that it could be, it might be fun to get a speculation list running and see if we can come up with anything else it might be (apologies if I have missed anything):

* Dumb old rock formation (boring unless you are a geologist). Possible, although it is important to remember that side-scan sonar images can not always be assumed to give an accurate impression of what something actually "looks" like - it "looks " like rock, but it may not be.
* Ancient fortification/structure ("ancient" as in Neolithic/Bronze age/Iron age) from a time of lower sea-levels (archaeologically interesting)
* WWI/WWII materiel (sunken war vessel (or parts of)) such as an ENORMOUS gun housing (interesing but not cool)
* One of those old odd round gun platform thingies (interesting because it's odd and they are not widely known about)
* WWII structure of some sort (offshore fortification)
* Sunken oil derrick platform/equipment (boring, and unlikely as this would have sunk within living memory and someone would have by now said "Oh yeah, that's that rig we towed out to sea that fell over and we all lost our jobs over it")
* Lava tube cap of some sort, heavily weathered (snooze, but interesting to geologists)
* Ancient coral formation (you never know)
*Recently sunken secret technology (black aircraft or sea vessel) that no one knows about (unlikely, as no-one has so far stopped the exploration)
* Old (and secret) Russian "Aerostat"-style saucer craft that no-one knew about (not impossible, the Russians have played with those kind of craft for years and it would be very hard for them to suddenly turn up and stop the expedition (plus, there would be no reason for them to do so as it would be undoubtedly be old technology and everyone knows about them anyway).
* Unknown manufactured object of non-terrestrial origin (not impossible, but I'm not really feeling this one).
* Unknown natural object of non-terrestrial origin (meteor/asteroid fragment). Not impossible. They have mentioned increased radiation levels.
* Submarine(any time period). Not impossible, although unlikely to have that shape. A sub sinking at that depth would not suffer undue pressures that would cause the hull to squish out and flatten into the circle shape. Most of the U-boat fleets that were captured at the end of WWII (several hundred boats) were scuppered off the coast of Ireland in deeper waters than the Baltic, and have still remained remarkably structurally sound and tube like. Plus, if it was more recent, it would have been known about (take the sinking of the Kursk as an example).
* Um...that's it, I'm out of ideas. Anyone want to posit other possibilities?

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Nice post and good thougts. I have a question. Would a big flat (Ufo shaped) metal formation float like a sheet of paper or drop like a huge stone slab?

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If you assume the metal object is not solid (as in a craft) then I would expect that the internal compartments would increase the bouyancy. Even a stone skipped into a pond will not just drop to the bottom, but descend at a gradient (depending on what angle it hit the water) and possibly wobble back and forth as it does. Adding internal spaces would add to the bouyancy and reduce the forward momentum. Assuming the object doesn't just hit at 90 degrees to the water surface, there would be some travel and some forward momentum would be maintained (although reduced by the resistance of the water pushing against it).

Assuming the craft stays intact (and does not break apart) then I suppose it could possibly oscillate back and forth to a degree (like a leaf falling from a tree - I can't think of a better phrase, is there a name for that?) but I think if you add in extra forward momentum from a propulsion source that may simply push the craft forward (so it just plows through the water and drags along the bottom until it comes to a stop, giving the plow-trench).

I kinda wrote that in a stream of consciousness and my physics-learnin' from 25 years ago is incredibly rusty, so if I am talking rubbish someone please correct me

...aaand now all I have in my minds' eye the the Enterprise-D saucer crashing through the forest. TROIIII!

Originally posted by merka

Originally posted by eNaR
This part says a lot about the unusual hidden whatever on the seabed floor...

No it doesnt. It doesnt say anything, in Swedish or in English. Just that they want to profit from it and that they obviously know what attraction the claim of a UFO is - even if its wrong. Which seems to be pretty standard in the buisness. By the text it looks like they are more interested in hyping it rather than actually finding something. It doesnt means its a hoaxed publicity stunt.

Unless of course, they already know what it is. IE nothing interesting.

edit on 12-6-2012 by merka because: (no reason given)

Correct... They are hyping it (whatever "it" could be) by getting and letting people think it's a UFO (even though they probably already know what it is) so that they can get enormous media attention / publicity in order, in my mind, to get investors to put up cash so they can continue looking for something of value.

However if it wasn't a publicity stunt to garner media attention / publicity why would they have a picture on their images page of a UFO. (see image at their site by clicking on link below)



I'm thinking to make people believe that it's a UFO they've come upon without actually saying it so in the end they can say "we never said it was anything of the sort"....... which is pretty shady !!!

Originally posted by cassiopeia1966
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

Nice post and good thougts. I have a question. Would a big flat (Ufo shaped) metal formation float like a sheet of paper or drop like a huge stone slab?

dogsounds answered it well. It basically boils down to buoyancy.

Ever wonder how an aircraft carrier can float in the water? A destroyer?

It's all about the shape of the hull, and the air in the compartments. Shape isn't enough. Fill those compartments with water, and the ship will sink like a rock.

Here's a link to Buoyancy in the wikipedia. It gets a bit indepth, but the first part explains it rather well.

Correct... They are hyping it (whatever "it" could be) by getting and letting people think it's a UFO (even though they probably already know what it is) so that they can get enormous media attention / publicity in order, in my mind, to get investors to put up cash so they can continue looking for something of value.

They are not getting "enormous" media attention. How do you know they are trying to get cash? Have you been to their site? Can you even FIND a button where you can donate funds? I can't. Nor one for merchandise. For a scam, they are running it just terribly. You are making baseless speculations about "investors." If you can find such information, by all means share it. But if you don't even know about a single investor, or how much they "donated" to the cause, you are just wildly guessing.

I am most interested in that the said it was not a rock formation. Very cool. Even if it's just a wreck of a secret Russian platform, or something else entirely.. all good by me. Very cool stuff. I was hoping it would be more than a simple formation. Never thought it was UFO (and still don't think that it is). But I rather like archaeology and diving both, so this has a lot of interest for me.

There was a thread started about it two days ago but it didn't get that much attention .... wonder why

Perhaps because it was pointless and didn't prove anything. That would be my guess at least. It actually proves there is an actual object. Sort of the opposite effect I think, someone was trying to gain by trying to disprove them. Oops? Plus you can see above for the entire email - hardly damning evidence.

So.. it doesn't get attention because it offered next to nothing as information goes.

For everyone who is expressing a desire for immediate answers you have to remember that this form of undersea exploration takes time. This particular seabed location is now under 275 feet of water although I suspect at one time in the very ancient past the area was dry land.

The sonar view is very interesting and there are many clues as to what is on the seabed. It would appear that what we can see in the sonar view are many structures. I may be completely incorrect in my analysis, but from past experience of analyzing thousands of images of Mars and the Moon, I do not think I am.

What we are seeing in the view is not an unidentified flying craft as many members seem to be hoping for, but part of a large ancient town or city that at one time was definitely above the waves. There are plenty of features in the view to indicate that many of the structures are still standing. This indicates that when the area started to flood the rise in sea level was a gradual process.

Two images are shown below. The first image is the base image and on in the second image I have circled many of the features. I wonder if the Ocean X dive team will concur with my analysis.

If you prefer to see the full view, click on the images at the Direct views below.





View showing circled features.




Direct views:

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