Capitalism Is For Dummies.

reply to post by Germanicus


Capitalism Is For Dummies sure i guess that right


Capitalism Is For Suckers fool, mark, morosoph - any person who is tricked or swindled aka (chumps and chumpets)
Thats a correct answer

Remember these Statements
With Capitalism man exploits man. With Communism it's the exact opposite
Knowledge is power but belief is what empowers it, So anything you know can and will be used against you.

Originally posted by Germanicus
This is one of my ideas for a Public Works project. It may have some flaws but I think the basic idea is pretty sound.

Solar power seems like its anywhere from $15000 to $30000 to convert your home. If the government was doing these things for cost im sure we could get the cost down under $10000 easily. Now if every Home Owner is a customer you can get the cost down again through sheer volume.Now the cost to covert is under $5000. The American Government gives 'no interest' $5000 loans to every Home Owner to convert to solar. The loans are paid back through money saved on electricity over a 3 year period. That way, the cost to taxpayer is nil. The Home Owner pays about $100 dollars a month for energy for three years then is off the grid. Win win for everyone that isnt an energy company or a government wanting tax revenue.

Can you provide the name of these socialist countries that are doing this or have cheap Solar power or alternative energy?

Originally posted by IblisLucifer
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Remember these Statements
With Capitalism man exploits man. With Communism it's the exact opposite

Interesting that the number of communist citizens trying to flee or deport to other countries far exceed the influx of the ones that are trying to get into communist countries.

Do you live in a communist country, if not why not?

reply to post by kozmo

As far as an oxymoron... Capitalism is the opposite of cronyism. Just because I make up a word blackwhite doesn't make it a "real" word. State Capitalism is alo a farse as state-based economics IS SOCIALISM or perhaps fascism, depending on how it is deployed and managed. Whereas Capitalism is a CONSUMER-based economic model based simply on supply and demand.

You can try to sell capitalism as every man for themselves but it isnt. ( not that every man for themselves sounds great anyway ) With capitalism profit is the bottom line. Captalism has nothing against 'Trusts'. Nothing against 'incorporation'. Like I said capitalism is a slippery slope. So no, capialism is not the exact opposite of cronyism and the whole solyndra thing is the perfect example od 'Crony Capitalism.

Capitalism is not some honest innocent 'supply and demand' service and you know it.

State Capitalism is a term not because it is made up but because it describes a specific form of capitalism. China is a perfect example of State Capitalism.

So now you are educated. Crony Capitalism,think solyndra State Capitalism,think China

reply to post by Germanicus


50 cent isn't a merchant. 50 cent would be considered an artisan, which would be one of the higher ranks in most Feudal societies.

There's no such thing as a capitalist government. If a society is to be truly capitalist and free then the government would be making very little to no profit. Government shouldn't self sustain, society sustains government.

The problem with most socialists is that they see everything as government. I know a socialist, he calls Glenn Beck a politician. The government isn't, and shouldn't be, all powerful. That's suicide, that's why we don't live in a capitalist, a true free-market, society anymore.

Also, point out a single communist/socialist state that has worked and is still in pure form communism/socialism. Can you, please?

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Socialist countries are doing pretty good right now. All the capitalist leaning western nations are bankrupt.

Argentina is a country that leans toward socialism. Look how happy they were when their government nationalized oil.


Imagine if we nationalized the Oil Industry in the west. The big four Oil Corporations make all the money in the world. Socialism will not hurt the rich. Socialism will prevent the mega-rich from exploiting us and putting a strain on society.

reply to post by Germanicus

Im not explaining capitalism. Im just explaing that capitalists are dummies. Corporatists and Bankers should like capitalism,free market constitution lovers not so much.

Capitalism is for dummies. For them.

If capitalism is for dummies, one has to wonder why you're not its biggest fan. Corporations are chartered entities that exist solely by permission of the state and as such are not any part of a free market, and corporatist's don't seem to love the Constitution anymore than you do.

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So, man exploits man in capitalism. If you turn it around then it's socialism. So, man exploits man in socialism? Or does man imploit man in socialism? I'm missing something here.

Originally posted by GermanicusSolar power seems like its anywhere from $15000 to $30000 to convert your home. If the government was doing these things for cost im sure we could get the cost down under $10000 easily. Now if every Home Owner is a customer you can get the cost down again through sheer volume.Now the cost to covert is under $5000.

That's some funny math you got there. I'm not sure how hard the doc dropped you, but I KNOW you landed on your head. Whatever G. You just don't get that it is WRONG to take from one to give to another.

WRONG

Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.
-Abraham Lincoln


To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much in order to spare to others who or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it. --Thomas Jefferson

No matter how worthy the cause it is robbery theft and injustice to confiscate the property of one person and give it to another to whom it does not belong (Walter Williams

Well the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant but that they know so much that isn’t so. -Ronald Reagan-

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views"
William F. Buckley Jr

Why do people who know the least, know it the loudest? -ATS

Another thing, If the gov was helping, it would wind up costing $40,000 not $20,000

reply to post by Germanicus


So we're playing this game. Ok.

Look how happy!



JUST IMAGINE! What if that happened today! How glorious! In America!

Originally posted by Mr Headshot
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50 cent isn't a merchant. 50 cent would be considered an artisan, which would be one of the higher ranks in most Feudal societies.

There's no such thing as a capitalist government. If a society is to be truly capitalist and free then the government would be making very little to no profit. Government shouldn't self sustain, society sustains government.

The problem with most socialists is that they see everything as government. I know a socialist, he calls Glenn Beck a politician. The government isn't, and shouldn't be, all powerful. That's suicide, that's why we don't live in a capitalist, a true free-market, society anymore.

Also, point out a single communist/socialist state that has worked and is still in pure form communism/socialism. Can you, please?

50 is a bard. Lower than a merchant. I have a thread on it.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

An 'artisan' is someone that has a trade. Artisan were below the more productive peasant but above a merchant.

50 Cent is a bard. bards and actors were at the very bottom because their contribution to society is sentimental at best.
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1 --At the top of the 'class structure' were the Samurai Warrior Class. The Samuria were about 10% of the population and they comanded respect.The Samurai answered only to their leader the Diamyo. The Diaymo was the leader of a people and controlled a region.The Diaymo only answered to the Shogun. The Shogun was the most powerful Diaymo.The Shogun answered to the Emperor technically but an Emperor was often merely a figurehead. The real power lay with the Shogun. But like I said,the Samurai Class were the top social group.

2 --Just below the Samurai Class on the social ladder were the Peasants and the Farmers. Yes,thats right. Peasants were the second most important people in Feudal Japan.The peasant sat above the Artisan and the Merchant because they produced the thing that was of the most value.Food.This is logical.We all need food.The Peasant is what holds everything together.They are much more important than the Artisan and the Merchant.

3 --Third on the list was the Artisan.The Artisan was important. They made boats,weapons,clothing and they were the highly skilled. But they were not as important as the Peasant. We all need food. Without food,the rest is impossible.The Artisan lived in their own section of cities.

4 --Last on the list is the parasitic Merchant Class. These people produce nothing of real value. These parasites were at the very bottom of society. They were seen for what they were. They produced nothing of value but instead,they exploited the other classes.These people like to call themselves 'Job Creators' today. What an insulting joke that is. In Feudal Japan the Merchant Class were ostracized.They had to live in their own part of a city and the higher classes were forbidden to mix with these parasites except for business related matter's.So all our Bankers and Corporatists would be at the bottom of society in Feudal Japan.very logical.

The only thing the Japanese saw as lower than a parasitic Banker or Corporatist were undesirables like Actors,Bards, Butchers,Grave Diggers,Criminals and Prostitutes.
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www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Mr Headshot
reply to post by Germanicus

 

So we're playing this game. Ok.

Look how happy!



JUST IMAGINE! What if that happened today! How glorious! In America!

So Hitler is associated with nationalization now

Nationalization is the future.

I guess you prefer Austerity and Globalization

reply to post by Germanicus


I think you're delusional. So, you want to go back to feudal Japan? You mean, like, where people were banned from defending themselves against the Samurai class with real weapons so they had to resort to fighting with farm tools to keep their wives from being raped and property stolen?

Sounds great.

Do you want a society with closed castes? Where you literally can not move up because of who you were born to?

Not to argue the specifics of Japanese precolonial feudalism, you know more about that than me because your entire belief system seems based on that, but to my understanding, that's how feudalism usually works.

I'm happy. I don't feel like I've been made a victim by evil capitalists, in fact, I'm thankful. We have it better than anybody ever has. ANYBODY. Nobody has had as much leisure time as we do in America. Our kids don't even have to work. It's crazy. We have clean hospitals and drinking water. I don't have a problem paying for that.

A family can afford multiple cars, sometimes even as a birthday present for a sweet 16. Do you realize how insanely privileged that is?

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Well, it was national socialism.

lol....

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Why do people who know the least, know it the loudest? -ATS Another thing, If the gov was helping, it would wind up costing $40,000 not $20,000

If you have anything to add other than dusty old quotes I would love to hear it. I would love for you to tell me how I am wrong about why a Capitalist Government is not interested in meeting our needs.

If you do not want a government to meet your needs then why have a government at all? You may as well let the corporatists that you cheer for run things,they are already anyway. You love it dont you? You love the corporatists and bankers.

And again,if you have a point I would like to hear it. prove my math wrong. Attack a point. Something? Being rude and googleing quotes does not make you clever.

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by kozmo

 

As far as an oxymoron... Capitalism is the opposite of cronyism. Just because I make up a word blackwhite doesn't make it a "real" word. State Capitalism is alo a farse as state-based economics IS SOCIALISM or perhaps fascism, depending on how it is deployed and managed. Whereas Capitalism is a CONSUMER-based economic model based simply on supply and demand.

You can try to sell capitalism as every man for themselves but it isnt. ( not that every man for themselves sounds great anyway ) With capitalism profit is the bottom line. Captalism has nothing against 'Trusts'. Nothing against 'incorporation'. Like I said capitalism is a slippery slope. So no, capialism is not the exact opposite of cronyism and the whole solyndra thing is the perfect example od 'Crony Capitalism.

Capitalism is not some honest innocent 'supply and demand' service and you know it.

State Capitalism is a term not because it is made up but because it describes a specific form of capitalism. China is a perfect example of State Capitalism.

So now you are educated. Crony Capitalism,think solyndra

State Capitalism,think China

Please re-read your post above... you have answered your own question! That which YOU believe to be Capitalism is NOT Capitalism. It is a combination of fascism and socialism. You need a serious lesson on traditional Capitalism - not the tired propagandized version sold to you by the socialist/communists. True capitalism has almost ZERO state input! Corporations are state created entities. In Capitalism, there is no need for corporations!

In Capitalism, it is ONLY supply & demand that dictate the fortunes of an organization. When you "Crony" up you have entered into an oligarchy or meritocracy depending on how it is implemented and managed. If the state begins to meddle in economic affairs and "Crony" up then you have implemented fascism.

You need to get your terms straight. Then you need to better understand what they mean. Right now you continue to spew the same old tired rhetoric and propaganda taught to you by the corpatists/fascists/statists/socialists etc... who NEED you to believe that Capitalism is bad. The reason they need you to believe that is so you surrender economic power to them. True Capitalism leaves the power in the hands of the consumer - no other entity - only the consumer!

Jeeeeesh man! You'd think after having a dozen different people trying to pound this through your head that you'd have figured this out this far into the thread!

Proud dummy here.

Second line.

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Originally posted by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh
This is how I see it:

Capitalism and corporate profit are driving us away from self sustainability. We are being stripped of our ability to grow our own food, educate ourselves, and provide for own well being through regulation, laws, and advertising influence that are all designed to limit our choices, and increase the profit of the corporations helping to fund the passing of these laws and regulations.

The only ones that "profit" from that are the lawmakers being paid by the corporations to limit our abilities to provide for ourselves and the people that are willing to lay down and pay the corporate master their fee for compliance.

Capitalism is driving us towards a tyranny of corporate dependence, and not away from it, as some people seem to think.

How does that equate to freedom?

Self sustaining houses or small farms are a threat to capitalism. You can't capitalize when your not having problems with scarcity. If your house or farm is producing the electricity, food and water you need, you are no longer dependent on the corporations that provide these services.

The government is clearly on the side of the corporation, they want the tax revenues to continue to flow into the system from citizens being forced to use there corporate backers services. This is not freedom or capitalism.

I always thought the best way to handle homelessness was for the government to build small villages and to teach the homeless how to grow there own food and how to run a small self sustaining village that produces its own water, power, waste disposal, and food, shelter. But self sufficiency is not one of the goals of the government, seems like the opposite is true.

Teaching groups of families how to work together for each other towards a common goal is not on the agenda, if they can do this together, what other need will they have from the government?