astral projection to get inside area51

nukunuku, is that spoken from experience? Yes or no will do.

If it's yes (and you are experienced in these things) then I suspect you would have already visited the locations mentioned above, and would be able to provide us with a non-vague answer as to what is there?

Here is a better way to explain it. When we are asleep our brain waves become modified. As to explain what is the motivating force behind us, the only explaination i can give is an energy. Intelligent energy that drive what our body desires or needs to do. Energy does not have actually physical form. This "intelligent energy" that drives us can leave the physical shell. Energy itself is on a different wavelenght thus we don't see it. We can see it only when it is in action or motion. Not all energy is percievable as well such as UV light. So it would just be a concious willing for your energy to go somwhere. Since energy could be heat or light you technically can travel the speed of light to anywhere. Many people belive that the dream state is just another existance that we can access because we are not conciously accessing our shells. Some of the energy stays behind to keep the shell from expiring so that we have something to occupy in the 3d density. I hope i explained enough to help. If anyone needs any help you can U2U me.

-Aza

Azathoth, I understand what you are saying and even without proof I suspect that what you are describing might be somehow possible.

What I want to know is:

1.) How did you find this out initially?
2.) Have you used it to visit locations mentioned in this thread?
3.) If not, why not, and will you?

and here is my answers.

!. I learned how to use this when i was very young. I lived in a house that was very old and had old energy signature living in it still (or ghosts) learning is just like learning anything. You focus your intent and desire with willed energy. first step is meditation and being able to calm and control thoughts. Next step is to use your will to project yourself to the desired location. It takes time and practice as riding a bicycle does. Some people desire to stop because it is possible to see other frequencies when doing so (frequnecies being energy entities of a different density or frame).
As for being caught in an "energy web " or trap, I do believe it is possible. Electricity travels along lines trapped until it has a way to break free. Using your energy to project to places does pose risks. Not all of your energy leaves your shell when you project as something has to keep it alive so you can occupy it again.

2. I have visited places but not mentioned in this thread. One of the most weird experiences I've had was assuming another persons shell occupation. What i find so strange about this is that my memory of the occupation is very vivid and clear and yet i was forced out 3 times. How that happened I don't knwo but a possible explaination could be somwhow my frequency matches the frequency of another person and I was in that area so I was drawn to the shell. The worst thing about it is I think the last person actually died because there was a car crash. Perhaps they fell asleep at the wheel and i happened to be near there and got drawn to it.

3. Would i try to project into one of these places. Well I was in the military and i currently work for them. The government has used telepaths during the cold war to spy on other countries. I would also tend to believe that they created something that captures energy and holds it. I could try it but if these devices do exist then i would be stuck. What would i do then away from my body? Comalike state would effect my shell and I might be let go when they are done with me or they might use me for tests. Especially if they every find out about that particular situation I had before. Taking over enemies would be very benefical to them as they could bend countries to their will or to comply. I myself do not know how to do that but i have done it, not intentional as i said. If they knew of some way from me to change my energy frqeuncy then i would have the possiblity to take over people when they sleep or go unconcious.

I'm not claiming to be an expert of this at all its just what I've come across and it makes sense in a scientific sense and paranormal sense as well.

-Aza

Originally posted by Nova
nukunuku, is that spoken from experience? Yes or no will do.

If it's yes (and you are experienced in these things) then I suspect you would have already visited the locations mentioned above, and would be able to provide us with a non-vague answer as to what is there?

no sorry dude, i just meditate once in a while, and besides i have no desire to do this stuff...yet

I do know some people that have advance knowledge of astral and such, but wouldnt go snooping around. Besides it takes years and years of proper dedicated practice.....this new age special powers thing doesnt really cut it you know....and people that do this "the fast way" indeed are in danger....from themselves

peace

Thanks both for your replies.

Azathoth,

So you're saying you taught yourself? You mentioned a few steps - did you discover these steps through trial and error?

Is distance no hinderance to projecting yourself?

One last question... well request.... if you're not willing to try it on any government owned facilities, would you be willing to try it on those that are just closed to the public such as the Vatican Libraries or some parts of the Egyptian temples?

What if I wrote a number on a piece of paper and placed it here on my desk. Would you be able to tell me that number?

Do you actually see the place where you are at, as if you would be standing there?

As in teaching myself, I've read some books for meditation. But it takes years of practicing and doing this before you can fully do on command. But alas i cannot do this while in a concious state and where i am at right now. It takes time to setup to be in the medative state. Another factor is that when traversing youare also sucseptable to all the "noise" when doing this. Many times I have done this with coming back completely confused as energy is contatly around you everywhere. This noise can effect your sense of direction. I can honesly say that i don't think i am good enought to look up a number from an unknown location. I have to have a good picture in my mind first you know.


Phood, you can float or stand still. Your basically just energy so you can go through walls or dirt if you wanted to. But it takes many years of directing this kind of projecting and control. I don't have that type of control yet. I can go to places I've never seen before but there are times when i get lost in the noise.
-Aza



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Phood, you can float or stand still. Your basically just energy so you can go through walls or dirt if you wanted to. But it takes many years of directing this kind of projecting and control. I don't have that type of control yet. I can go to places I've never seen before but there are times when i get lost in the noise.
-Aza

Thanks but can you actually SEE, as if you would have had eyes, or do you just...sense, or something...?

Are you able to comment at all on what it looks like? Similar to a dream?

What if there was a chair in a room, which you were staring at whilst remote viewing and someone moved that chair - would the chair move from your perspective? Can you see people whilst RVing?

I can see the path this is going down, the only way I'm going to get any evidence that RVing works is by doing it myself. Shame I don't have several years to devote to it.

I invite anyone who thinks they can use remote viewing or astral projection to prove it here. Then we'll talk about viewing some of the places mentioned in this thread

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Phood, you can actually see. for aurguments sake lets say you have been doing this for about 10 yrs at least once a day. You can pretty much do it on command and induce yourself in this state pretty easyly. Yod decide to go somewhere to see what is going on there. So lets say you go to a valley nearby that you've frequented. You notice that there is someone down there with a truck poaching deer. You would then have that knowledge of that happening. You could then go to the area and see if the truck was still ther or there were shells in the area you saw to confirm this. The only problem with distance is that it takes virtually no time for your energy to go somewhere but for your body to it takes time. so something you saw might of left or changed. We all have this potential , we must just practice for it. I believe that knowledge is something that should be free. It is for the betterment of ourselves as beings thus it is beneficial to everyone. There never should be a price for something that should be shared.


Nova , yes you would.

-Aza

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[edit on 22-6-2005 by Azathoth]

Originally posted by JaxG
Here is a clip from the "Dolce Book" about the Dulce underground base, they talk about this subject here in this clip:

Q -- In the Dulce Papers, copper seems to be high on the importance list.
In what methods is copper used?

A -- One of the main uses of copper at Dulce is containment of the magnetic
flow, magnets are used every where at that base. The infamous vats'
interiors are lined with copper, and the exterior walls are clad with
stainless steel. The mechanical arm that stirs the liquid is made of a
copper alloy. Other uses include dietary needs in a few of the transbiotic
beings. There are several specially made cells or rooms built first with
lead, then magnetic steel then clad in copper. It is in those cells on the
Fourth Level that contain living aural essence. This essence is what you
would call [a captured disembodied] 'soul' or..."astral body". (Note: This
may tie-in with the reports of certain remote-viewing "astral spies" who
claim to have "projected" into underground facilities like Dulce New Mexico
or Pine Gap Australia, only to have close encounters with these astral
containment fields, or have been captured by the same and released after
being 'interrogated' via super-sensitive electronic equipment. In one case
an Australian remote-viewer was probing the Pine Gap facility where he also
"saw" three other astral spys.

The magnetic or astral body of one of these people had been captured by
such a containment field, which really disturbed him. This man, Robert,
also saw Greys and Reptiloids operating in the deeper levels of Pine Gap
and also Nordic-type humans who were apparently captives and who did NOT
seem to be very happy about being there. - Branton)

you can read the whole book here (very long!):
fortunecity.com...

Exactly. It's the same reason why you should stay away from powerlines when one AP's

Nuff said.

Peace

I do believe that sounds very possible and correct. I do also think that if practiced enough that you can change your frequency and free yourself. There are alot of frequencies to cover and i doubt that they have all of them trapped. The only problem is your guessing which freq they left out.
I also wonder that perhaps some of these orbs people see might be some entities energy that somehow crossed into our visual frequency (some AP person flying around but not noticing that people can see them. ) Energy is by far the most strange element in the known universe. We don't always see it but its there. When we do see it, its always vibrant. it doesn't show unless its in teh state of action.

-Aza

Trying to AP into Area51 Is compleatly useless.

Even In local1, The physical structure of the world is HIGHLY subjective!
If you did see aliens or craft It dosn't mean a thing, you would never be shure to tell if its really there, If your expecting to find aliens or craft there youll be even more at risk of manifesting it.

no offence but,
I see a lot of people on this thread claiming they know how the mechanics of AP work, And I just laugh at your lack of understanding of the subject.

You REALLY should read some books.

"Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce is an exellent start .

All in all, its a facinating and nice idea, but it won't prove anything

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Actually thats why i stated that when doing it in great distances that time is against you. Your body is limited to the speed at which it or a vehicle can travel, while as far as science said energy is limited to the speed of light.

You might want to read some books as well

Holographic Universe By Michael Talbot

The Hidden Messages in The Water By Masuru Emoto

Power Vs. Force By David R Hawkins.

The Conscious Universe by Dean I Radin

Take a look at these books. You might start to see how we can interact with the universe.

-Aza

It would be cool to trie, take a peek in to area51 and see all those empty halls. I know it works but its hard to control yourself when your out of body at least when I tried, like you are floating and scary it is.

wouldn't a more practical use for AP to go into board room meetings of fortune 500 companies and buy/sell stock based on the earnings reports ? They don't report those publicly for at least a week.

You could use your profits to fund a super conspiracy nut delta attack team and go after area 51 and dulce.....

yes, I've read "Holographic Universe" By Michael Talbot

A very intresting read with a solid theory, although at points in the book Hes Writes a lot of BS.

Like he can make objects "PoP" and "fizz" In and out of existence.
He's clearlry fantasizing.
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What I meant by the world being Subjective whilst Asral Projecting was
Its very thought Driven, and not What U see is what you get

Almost like a lucid dream.

If you know what you are remote viewing it is really difficult because your imagination gets in the way so you will have some trouble telling what is real. I'll give it a go tonight or sometime, when i do i will post if i was successful or not. It will be very difficult but it won't hurt trying. I doubt they have trapped astral bodies defending the base but anything is possible.

I don't see how you can defend from RV because a person is awake when they do it so i am very skeptical about that. I think A-51 is just a normal research base, nothing too fancy so i don't think i'll see any weird stuff.

You need to get some highly trained people to do it that you know 100% have the ability. Then you can compare what they saw and see if there are any similarities.

I have posted on ATS before about a group of colleagues who practice RV.

They have been involved in a privately funded attempt to locate Osama Bin Laden.

They HAVE successfully R-Ved area 51.

my contact with this RV group says that area 51 houses absolutely NO alien beings, remains, or technology. He claims that the whole "dreamland" mythos was invented and propogated by the government itself, in order to camoflage the REAL purpose of area 51.

Area 51 is, according to him, the "capitol" of US RV efforts. In order to keep "inquiring minds" from RVing the facility, they have intentionally constructed rumors, affected what outsiders expect to see on the inside.

My friend described coming into contact with a "team" at area 51, who lie in a room, and spend their whole shift maintaining the mental image of a "UFO parking-lot" inside an airplane hangar at groom lake. This way, when an outsider tries to penetrate secure areas, all they will "see" is the mental image projected by the teams, and not the actual facility.

He describes for me a large number of these teams, who rotate in shifts to maintain the "astral facade" at area 51. His group claims to have encountered analogous teams at strategic military areas in the US, Europe, and the Middle East.

According to my informant, area 51 was originally used for testing aircraft. It was chosen in the late 40's as an RV facility because until WWII, humans had never lived in that basin. Which means there are no long-term "mental footprints" the way there are in most cities and suburbs.