5 Million Farmers Sue Monsanto for $7.7 Billion

Originally posted by longjohnbritches

So you are saying all the soviet commies just went off pickin dasies?

apparently you are confused with socialism/communism or totally ignorant.

I am thinking folks that did things like this are Monsanto type folks--

monsato has a fudiciary duty to its stockholders. full socialism had a duty to the citizens. either can be evil or good depending on the people who run the circus.

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You forgot the chernobyl disaster in the ukraine, BUT what does this have to do with anything monsato?

BTW there is no longer a USSR.

edit on 6/6/2012 by longjohnbritches because: ussr

Indeed there is no longer a USSR and that is why I mentioned "ex-USSR" in my post.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by longjohnbritches

 

If the indian farmers were suing Monsanto Inc. for crop failure reimbursement, suicide and/or violent pscychological trauma THEN shouldn't they be claiming trillions rather than $7.7 billion? Perhaps they can't organise the class action suit appropriately which means they need better attornies.

This is what happens with "too big to fail" business. I know it sounds very cliche but still it IS the truth. When business makes so much profit they can afford to effectively lobby most governments and the judicial process itself becomes corrupt.

What do you mean lobby? Did you not see the interactive chart?
They are one.
If not illegally for sure ethically and morally corrupt.
Was not Capitalism interfered with when the government actually
COMPLETLY TOOK OVER GM?? AND bailed out the CROOKED banksters??
It may not yet be full blown Communism. It is for sure
the Socialistic stage of Marxism.


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What about anti-trust?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


The government has a bigger responsibility to the taxpayer.
The lake was also agricultural.
Most people don't know the difference between Russia and the now relocated Soviets.
Sorry about the ex.

Originally posted by longjohnbritches

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by longjohnbritches

 

If the indian farmers were suing Monsanto Inc. for crop failure reimbursement, suicide and/or violent pscychological trauma THEN shouldn't they be claiming trillions rather than $7.7 billion? Perhaps they can't organise the class action suit appropriately which means they need better attornies.

This is what happens with "too big to fail" business. I know it sounds very cliche but still it IS the truth. When business makes so much profit they can afford to effectively lobby most governments and the judicial process itself becomes corrupt.

What do you mean lobby? Did you not see the interactive chart?
They are one.
If not illegally for sure ethically and morally corrupt.
Was not Capitalism interfered with when the government actually
COMPLETLY TOOK OVER GM?? AND bailed out the CROOKED banksters??
It may not yet be full blown Communism. It is for sure
the Socialistic stage of Marxism.

Where do you see the socialism and communism aspect other than the GM takeover?

As for the bailout packages you are not supposed to bailout private business in case of need either in capitalism or socialism. In capitalism everything is supposed to be free market and if you make mistakes well tough luck you go bankrupt. In socialism you bailout public enterprise and never private business!

You just gave us a classic non-sequitur arguement.

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Competition law, known in the United States as antitrust law, is law that promotes or maintains market competition by regulating anti-competitive conduct by ...

United States antitrust law - European Union competition law - Japan - Russia

What about anti-trust?

What about those anti-trust laws? They sure look good on paper BUT in practice they fail, don't they?

It proves capitalism is a flawed system where the apex predator is part of the government. I honestly do not see your punch line and think you are getting desperate with strawmens and circular reasoning to avoid admitting defeat.

If I were a "Leon The Professional" type I would do everyone at monsato for free.

From article:

Back in 2008, the Daily Mail covered what is known as the ‘GM Genocide’, which is responsible for taking the lives of over 17,683 Indian farmers in 2009 alone.

And i never realised this until a moment ago, thanks for posting.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Where is the defeat in semantics?
If you defend Monsanto no matter with what words, you defend an operation that does nothing for humanity as a whole. Screw a hand full of stockholders.
One who denies human justice will be the ultimate looser.

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
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Where is the defeat in semantics?
If you defend Monsanto no matter with what words, you defend an operation that does nothing for humanity as a whole. Screw a hand full of stockholders.
One who denies human justice will be the ultimate looser.

Sorry. I thought you were defending capitalism which is based on hierarchal elitism. Those that say capitalism is not based on greed(excessive pride in personal&corporate achievement) are delluding themselves. You can never really get enough money, power and influence with such system.

Lobbying with money and appointing ex corporate powerhouses into office is how the apex corporate dynasties self perpetuate and consolidate their choking influence over society. Yes monsato is evil, but what about microsoft, coca cola, gillette, google, gmc, cisco, bayer, and a host of other private semi-monopolies?? How effective can anti-trust laws really be?! Private monopolies always develop over time through various ways and as such they are probably more dangerous than public monopolies. That is my arguement against capitalism and pro mixed economy socialism. Sure everything eventually corrupts itself over time but that is a different discussion and has more to do with religion than economics!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Sorry. I thought you were defending capitalism which is based on hierarchal elitism. Those that say capitalism is not based on greed(excessive pride in personal&corporate achievement) are delluding themselves. You can never really get enough money, power and influence with such system.

Lobbying with money and appointing ex corporate powerhouses into office is how the apex corporate dynasties self perpetuate and consolidate their choking influence over society. Yes monsato is evil, but what about microsoft, coca cola, gillette, google, gmc, cisco, bayer, and a host of other private semi-monopolies?? How effective can anti-trust laws really be?! Private monopolies always develop over time through various ways and as such they are probably more dangerous than public monopolies. That is my arguement against capitalism and pro mixed economy socialism. Sure everything eventually corrupts itself over time but that is a different discussion and has more to do with religion than economics!

I sincerely applaud your description.... but I want to engage your premise. I am no expert - by any measure - however it begs questioning whether capitalism "per se" actually "requires" the maladies you have observed in your description. Or is it that what we loosely refer to 'evil' is a weakness in the character our civilization?

Capitalism is generally considered to be an economic system that is based on private ownership of the means of production and the creation of goods or services for profit by privately-owned business enterprises.

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The elements of capitalism, it seems, are ownership - property - and profit. That we should associate the grotesque and vainglorious constructs of 'corporate existence,' 'debt as money,' 'institutionalized global gambling and speculation,' or the 'virtualization of wealth' with capitalism seems a surrender to the notion that 'free people' can't ever be 'free' of middlemen preying on opportunity to extract wealth, while themselves not 'producing' anything of greater value than they are 'entitled' to.

At some point we must all recognize the stunningly stupid trust we have placed in people who somehow consistently forge our economic tragedies. It has yet to be proven ever to have been devoid of destructive exploitation, under any economic model. This issue merely highlights the underlying problem; a problem with which I have yet to find a voice to address.

Which is to meant to stretch out that I beg to differ with the premise.

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If you want my honest opinion I think the right hand path is the evil path and the left hand path is the empty path, not just in economics but encompassing most aspects of society. I think masonry combines mainstream religion which has killed millions/billions fighting for pseudo-supremacy and the greed of capitalism.

One could argue that hardcore socialist regimes are forced to imprison or worst kill those with right extremist views because there is no other viable solution. I know it sounds grotesque/atrocious but the more I study history the more convinced I become.

I don't believe "liberty and freedom" are 100% attainable and in fact are probably counter-productive to society as a whole. I am no hardcore collectivist and actually despise full socialism(communism) because it encourages lazy atheistic principles. I think a mixed economy with great/grand oversight of the private sector is not only the best solution but the only solution. Yes discipline is important and that is why the military emphasis this characteristic so much, but where personal responsbility leaves off then it is time for the government to step in and assuming they are not corporate pawns they could progress society.

Just look at the middle east for example were jews hate muslims and vice versa. It is the epitomy of fanaticism! If they were left leaning people would get along and second their economies would be different. Isn't it ironic the right is fighting itself??

Originally posted by TheIllusiveMan
Monsanto indeed has to be reined in

Monsanto needs to be "reined in," to exactly the same degree, and in exactly the same manner, as the Nazis needed to be; and for largely the same reasons.

If anyone here wonders why I am an unashamed advocate of the Sherman Act, and why I can never entirely turn my back on the Left, despite what I know about its' origins, I present Monsanto as an exhibit for the prosecution.

This is a corporation that must be entirely and unrelentingly destroyed, if humanity and indeed all carbon based life on this planet is going to survive. They have shown no mercy, and they are to be given none themselves.

I want Monsanto's charter. I want its' board of directors collectively jailed for life, without even the vaguest suggestion of parole; and I want them to experience real and genuine fear and misery themselves, in exchange for the amount that they have caused others, in the process.

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Maybe you are rushing a bit?

What happened to innocent until proven guilty and due process?

The more awake people are to everything surrounding them the more pressure they put on politicians which of course is a good thing.

I don't think you should ever turn your back on the left. The right has probably killed way more people than the left going back to summeria/mesopotamia/babylon. Religion is the number one reason for war and death, while greed is the number one reason for inequality.

Just my opinion and of course you have a right to your opinion(s) as well!

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reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Care to point out the government conflict of interest here--

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Capitalism is fine. When government enters the picture you have an end to it.
Why isn't GM enough. TAARP too?
It is not Capitalism. It is the governmental miss use of that system that has brought about the depression America faces today. Sure there are enough crooks in Capitalism but they can't tax you at the same time.

Or we could grow our own food.

reply to post by Nspekta
This is the best news I've heard in a long time,lets hope American farmers see this and do the same.
I swear this company is spawned from the devil,to even think they can own all the worlds food supply is beyond insane.

God Bless the Farmers

Originally posted by pause4thought
If people boycotted the stores that supply Monsanto's GM frankenfoods it would be a real game changer. The court case is great news. But it would take a battle on multiple fronts to slay the Leviathan.

At the end of the day the food retailers are there to make a profit. It is consequently within the means of all citizens around the world to hit back at this hideous technology.

That would be easy if they would label there food so we would know if the food was made with GMO's.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


You said
"I am no hardcore collectivist and actually despise full socialism(communism) because it encourages lazy atheistic principles. I think a mixed economy with great/grand oversight of the private sector is not only the best solution but the only solution. Yes discipline is important and that is why the military emphasis this characteristic so much, but where personal reasonability leaves off then it is time for the government to step in and assuming they are not corporate pawns they could progress society. "

Now to take you to Task. EARTHCITIZEN

Illustrate where in History your above idealism has prospered more than Democratic Capitalism?

BTW and how the hell does this relate to personal respossibility? Monsanto and the US government oppress the farmers

out of all the topics in the world MONSANTO MAKES ME RAGE LIKE HORMONAL 13YR OLD.

can you not get monsanto ons some eco contamination deal.. i mean their sort of are with all of their bio engineering

Meanwhile, here in the good old US of A ...

www.naturalnews.com...

"U.S. District Court Judge Naomi Buchwald recently dismissed the case, Organic Seed Growers and Trade Association et al. vs. Monsanto, claiming that it attempts to "create a controversy where none exists" (www.naturalnews.com...)."

I'm sure this is a noob question...but isn't Monsanto the place that modifies its seed so that farmers are forced to go back to them to buy new seed stock year after year? Ie; seeds taken from last years crop won't grow new crop?