Were you in the "Gifted Program" ?

I was in Mentally gifted minds but i was actually in it when it changed over to GATE in 1980 which it is now called if you were in this program you were part of a eugenics program among other things there was a lot of pressure and if you couldn't handle it you would be discarded. Take a look here and download the program mission eric.ed.gov... or go straight to this file files.eric.ed.gov... read the first 5 pages and you will see what you were being groomed for I was told my IQ was over 130 my sisters over 140 I always felt like i was in the program because of my older sister she was in from 1977 or 78 to about 1983 or 84. Her experiences were slightly different than mine more field trips more guest speakers. I was forced to do plays to be in a choir to sing I hated these things. I really hated this program when i first got in i thought it was cool and i bought all the propaganda about being a genius who doesnt want to think they are special in a good way.I bought it all but when the program was over and I went back to regular school I had problems keeping up on home work but i was way ahead of everyone we never did homework in gate rarely just reports. So going back to regular school and doing homework took a while to get use to. I feel lik ethere was a darker reason for some of the kids to be in the program. As a child i took a IQ test alone in a school room no one used 2 people in suits ive never seen before or since i took this test at 5 or 6 years old. I never got the test results of this or what th etest ment I was only told i had a genius IQ my parents never saw the test no one did and you can't find it here or anywhere. So basically a couple guys in suits test kids at every school they answer to no one there no oversight and they pick your child under the story that they are picking the top 2% in academics but they can easily say they are doing that but are really looking for another trait. Most of the people i went to school with in my class was white at a 99% mexican school that we were bused to so we stayed together the 2 classes of GATE only hung out amongst ourselves because we were taught that we were special and we actually did have the most popular kids in the program. Anyway those people doing the tests could easily pick any of the children they test they could pick them for anyreason say it was their IQ and no one would be wiser.

a reply to: justintime9

Sounds like your program wasn't very good.

The one I had was excellent. We had a pull out resource room where we learned formal logic, advanced creative problem solving, did project based learning (things like organizing a school-wide mock election one year), and we had accelerated and differentiated curriculum in the classroom.

Then in junior high we had both a resource pull out room and the beginnings of AP placement in both English and Math which continued as a track clear through to high school where science was added to it. In high school, we lost the resource pull out but gained access to all the academic competitions and seminars and ability to go on special field trips to the lecture series at the nearby major universities as we chose.

I didn't receive any "gifted" program opportunities until the 6th grade.

I remember taking the test, and at the end of it was a page with a bunch of circles on it. We were supposed to connect them in some way, open to interpretation. I naturally (being an artist and cartoonist) drew a variety of facial expressions in every circle, turning them into little people. Because of that, the testers claimed I was unfit for the Vanguard Program at that District because I didn't create a machinery or some other inanimate construct. My stepfather, a teacher himself and highly educated politely informed them that I had indeed created a system construct. A social system. After that Enlightenment, the Board of Directors redacted their original position and I was accepted into the program.

AP later on in High School. History, Art and English.

Kinda funny, I grew up wanting to be a Comic Book Cartoonist or Animator, and here I am studying Psychology and Sociology in an Alternative Learning Landscape to this day. That social system and care for such is just ingrained. I never thought about it much back then, but I'll be dipped. Transferring out of regular education was a bit of a culture shock in regards to the intensity of the required material, but in the long run I am really thankful my stepdad recognized my potential and helped advance my curriculum.

Interesting how all those classes became vital components to a field of study I didn't consider until years after the fact.

It was called Enrichment here--and only about twenty of us.
IQ tests, separate classes, and field trips. I think it was more of a way the school district could keep us from getting bored at the same time as keeping up their standardized test scores; nothing too pernicious.

I was IQ tested every year from pre-k through 12th grade for advanced classes but it was just taking higher level classes than the grade level we were in.

My oldest daughter and stepson were placed in the TAG (talented and gifted) program at their school and they are placed in special TAG classes twice a week to do mostly project work involving outside the box thinking and imaginative idea creation.

It's pretty interesting. My daughter is working on a project now where she has to design and create a national park with whatever she wants in it. My stepson did the same project last year and had a ninja forestry service as the protectors of the park which was inhabited by all kinds of made up flora and fauna from his head.

The class teaches kids to work together and challenge each other's ideas.

a reply to: Roundtree

I have been thinking about this over the last few years. I was in the Gifted & Talented in New Jersey in the 1980's. We would go twice a week to the School Board office from 3rd to 7th grade. We had two teachers/ 2 classes per grade of 7-10 kids each. One teacher - who was really nice - was named "Mrs. Hyde". We did a LOT of logic problems. We would design crossword puzzles. There was a computer game where you would get clues as a person who woke up from a Cryogenic chamber, and had to find their way around the dark in a post apocalyptic underground chamber maze. You would just get verbal clues/text prompts on the computer and have to figure out how to get the flash light, find a key in one room, that fit a box in another room, what your situation was. Kind of like Oregon trail but Sci Fi. Also we did a lot of research - in retrospect like the CIA in the movie "The Good Shephard". We would each get a black and white photo, and figure out when and where it was taken, and go research the newspaper archives at the public library. One, for example, was General Grant's funeral parade on 5th Ave and I figured it out with a magnifying glass - that they were passing St Patrick's Cathedral, and found other clues in the ladies' clothes, etc. I read in "Thanks for the Memories" that "gifted" programs in the 80's were part of the program. I also remember one day, two men in suits came and took each of us individually to a separate room to watch a 10-min film -- but it was all symbols and didn't make much sense. It had pyramids - like the dollar bill - and other symbols. My parents asked me what happened at school that day, and I said "nothing," but I wonder if we were being brainwashed or programmed. It was also the Cold War - so we were probably being tracked. It was a really diverse group of kids. I do remember also taking an IQ test in 5th grade.

My names Dallas, and I've never been a part of an online forum before today (unless you count Neopets [I don't count it]. I'm sure there are rules and regs here that I'm not aware of so I ask the members of this board to guide me and I'll try to rectify them as well as I can. I tend to be verbose in written form but I ask you to bear with me, this is a very important subject to me

I'm a 27 year old American citizen and very into keeping an open mind regarding conspiracies- holding universal truth as one of my few passions.

I was doing my usual research into freemason symbology in the media, architecture, consumer products, etc., when I made the turn into a subject I find entertaining rather than tedious, MK Ultra (Monarch) mind control. For some reason today of all days I made a connection (justified, albeit skewed) to the old elementary school days and being invited to participate in the local gifted program. The thing is I remember absolutely nothing of the actual testing or activities, although I do remember (my mom does as well) soon after the program finished I was put into a remedial group (slow classes) until my mom had to petition the school to allow me into regular classes again. I faintly remember during this time I spent one on one time with a guidance counselor and I remember something about her bringing on these big white cardboard poster things with various scenarios (i can't recall the actual subject matter) and I'm not sure if I had to assess them, or if she was guiding me through them, it's all hazy.
I haven't read any posts before mine in my haste, and I'm sure that's a rule of some sort so if it is I'm sorry. I'm just really hoping someone could help me fill in the blanks.
Thanks, guys!

a reply to: FissionSurplus

I have a theory, not fully formed, that maybe they in some ways manipulate certain individuals to have a lower drive for progression in society, so that those who would question and theorize would be at a disadvantage and not likely to be taken seriously by their more successful peers.

a reply to: Roundtree

Totoro never looked so good.

I was never in a program. I think the most gifted are those they never caught still wandering around the concrete jungles and cyber digs of the great digital highways of this reality.

a reply to: Roundtree

yes,
in the late 1970's and into the 1980's i was in one of those programs. (central california) it started out as MGM - mentally gifted minors. it changed to GATE - gifted and talented education. i was involved in the program from 1st grade until 8th grade.

like others have posted, i don't remember taking the tests but was told i had a high IQ. we were handed MENSA applications then too.

we did a lot of wonderful projects. examples:
we wrote basic programs to tally up our school election.
we got to see and discuss a dry ice radiation detector
we were given word problems to solve. some of them were easy others were quite difficult.

we played a game where some students were elected officials and other students were citizens of a town.
we were given a social/environmental problem and each "elected official" was only allowed to help (or not) limited to the regulations of their political office. it was fun and eye opening. i wish i could remember the name of the game.

we sometimes had chess problems to solve.

we took trips to places like Griffith park observatory.

it was a wonderful experience.

I am questioning the ?science? when it comes to identifying 'gifted' when autism shows the brain functions differently and neurons are connecting differently...doesn't mean disabled...what does it mean?

O brother OOO look your o so special .
Now take the so called non gifted kids have them learn by people in the fields have them go on field trips to the places these people work .

Ten to 1 They will do better in life as well .

There is one guy who was raised to believe he was a god when he got older he believed he was a god .
Every one is gifted the trick is finding what gift they have then encouraging it .

Me I was always in the NON even less then normal classes .
Being board out of my skull I would read the entire math- English or what every book in the first week and pass every test with a B or higher never even taking the books out of my locker .
Never did homework . Just spent 5.5 hours board to tears .2.5 hours was the time when something was learned .
Being told by people just how stupid i was I once just got straight A's . Just to show them .
O brother any kid in that class could . We were not dumber then you were were board out of our minds because of the repetitive teaching that is like a coin clicker game .
People use to call them drones ( they droned on and on like a speech by a guy selling vacuum cleaners )
School is not designed to teach ' the classes every one passed with A's were- cooking -metal -shop -wood shop- art-science . Notice a theme yet ? All class that there is alot of interaction in .

Your not just sitting staring at a clock wondering when this 100,000 years will be over .
So you got noticed and got more attation and it SHOWS now find the kid on your block who you think is the most stupid and do it with them and watch the difference .

Its all in how you teach the kid . Teach them hate they hate teach them love they love teach them they are smart They will be a few points on a IQ test hold little meaning .

I for one just made pictures out of the fill in the dots on the test talk about boring In order to Gage someones intelligence you first need to find something they love and filling in dots is boring .

How do you expect to teach a kid how staring out a window ? You say its because he is dumb I say its because you suck as a teacher .

This thread had a long run with many people posting their experiences in some Gifted program, and all kinds of trauma.
After following this tread for 7 years, I was hoping some of the brilliant people here would look more deeply into the genetic link to being HiQ.

I remember that guy who ended up with Einsteins brain, carrying it around in a jar for years, hoping to find some way to test the grey matter for a clue to his HiQ. Many very HiQ people seem to gravitate towards measuring the mass of the grey matter, or even the size of their heads for clues to HiQ'ness. I was really hoping someone had looked deeper into their own brains on purpose or by accident, for a specific structural difference, besides size or weight.

Specifically, the size of the pineal gland. This gland can be seen on functional MRI's AND how many blood vessel's are feeding it. Many HiQ's (190+) have suffered from a common brain malady called an aneurysm. Often to death. Much like what happens when we pump more juice through a CPU on a computer in order to get more computing cycles. Burns out.

Has anybody in the HiQ club ever had a functional MRI that they remember?

I think, rather I suspect, I know why there was so much cloak and dagger attached to the so called gifted programs foisted upon the public from 1950 forward.

The Powers That Be, did indeed want to both identify, keep track of, and ultimately mislead anybody with a HiQ from doing what they naturally do best: Identify patterns. Or Pattern Recognition. In simple terms, that skill set almost all HiQ experience in true Rain man fashion, allows them to put pieces of puzzles together to see the answer or solution without having to laboriously work through a specific problem.

Can anybody think of a major global problem that would result in social chaos for the general population?
Think about it.
If there is a very small subset of humans who naturally have a talent for identifying such a problem, and TPTB don't want them to see it, yet it cannot be hidden from them, what is the best course of action to mis-direct such people? Or at least discredit them?

These are people who naturally seem to gravitate towards places and idea's presented here on ATS?

I was most assuredly in the gifted league. What of it? What is your question?

Thank you for responding InTheLight. I'm not implying you were not in a gifted program. No doubt you were. I wanted to get your take on the the bigger picture. A broader horizon if you will, of what and why these kind of programs sprung up after 1950?

Not just your opinion per se, but as a mentally gifted person you have the innate ability to keep all the facts and details of all of these various programs, then the flavor of the comments in these 27 pages on this kind of forum, weigh both the positive and negative impacts on the lives of these select few, then answer the question:

Do you think there was another purpose behind creating these programs than simply giving those deemed "gifted" a better chance to contribute to society?

a reply to: reddogbom

IMO the answers are simple. I can't speak for 'The Powers That Be', but if it was in my hands, the reason would easily be twofold:

1) To progress education to further ourselves and stay competitive/leading as a nation, and more specifically to identify and separate the individuals capable of furthering themselves in this 'higher/specific and/or accelerated ~ gifted' education process, for efficiency - if everyone went through 'gifted' curriculum, some may not be able to comprehend/complete it, or lack the aptitude for the specific genre of education it entailed, and ultimately this would cause lower education for the masses, if they could not 'keep up'. We need to be well rounded, and part of this includes pockets of specific education. Gifted is not exclusively 'smarter', IMO, but sometimes entails aptitude for a specific subject etc... Also, these programs were not 'proven' per se, and we would not want this curriculum for everyone.
2) To be able to easily identify, evaluate and ultimately cherry-pick individuals for sensitive/priority work considering important or even vital to our nation/al security... This would branch out into several things, which would certainly not exclude unsavory if not unethical operations for 'the greater good' (i.e. MKULTRA/MONARCH type programs). Some people would be enrolled in these programs, and nothing else would come of it period. Of course there would be a range of outcomes, and not everyone would be selected for whatever certain interested parties were 'scouting' for. Just because you made 'the first cut' does not mean you make 'the final cut'...

originally posted by: reddogbom
Thank you for responding InTheLight. I'm not implying you were not in a gifted program. No doubt you were. I wanted to get your take on the the bigger picture. A broader horizon if you will, of what and why these kind of programs sprung up after 1950?

Not just your opinion per se, but as a mentally gifted person you have the innate ability to keep all the facts and details of all of these various programs, then the flavor of the comments in these 27 pages on this kind of forum, weigh both the positive and negative impacts on the lives of these select few, then answer the question:

Do you think there was another purpose behind creating these programs than simply giving those deemed "gifted" a better chance to contribute to society?

I was a child and during those times was never informed, because I was to be seen and not heard. I was not a person. All I know is that the teacher was skeptical and put me through a round of testing that insinuated that I was cheating, because I could not be smarter than she at that age.

I always seem to be in the position to prove myself to be worthy to those than are below my giftedness, but hey, it is what it is.

When I was very young (Kindergarten - 2nd grade) I was enrolled in G.A.T.E. programs in upstate New York... I experienced large chunks of lost time. One day I simply refused to return to school. Literally kicking and screaming, fighting my parents, to the point they took me to the doctor immediately, because something was obviously wrong. I did not have a full body physical to memory, and the doctor simply said I had 'school phobia', which would be attributed so 'social phobia/anxiety'. The odd thing is... all of a sudden? In one day? Note, I also had spontaneously/instantly developed twitches, and there is no doubt in my mind that a major event occured, that I still have not been able to remember to this day, 25+ years later. This led me to do a bit of research, as I have been able to peice together tid bits, and remember some odd curriculum. That led me to several articles addressing simar curriculum, and you can brief one below, which addresses and questions the introduction of clairvoyance curriculum and student data logging:

eagleforum.org...


So, we had 'Assistant Teachers' from 'The Monroe Institute'... Look them up, pioneered with controlled OOBEs using soundwaves to alter/sync your brain waves to a specific state - by a method they termed Hemi-Sync... You can read a bit about the founder, the institute, and the hemi-sync process here (even if you don't trust wiki, just go to the references)

en.m.wikipedia.org...

The Monroe Institute had contracts with CIA, etc. and you can see many of the FOIA declassified documents connecting Monroe Institute with 'STARGATE' here:

www.cia.gov...

and you can brief this document that directly mentions remote viewing (although other released documents also mention it):

www.cia.gov...

You can brief the info about Stargate, which mentions it's termination in 1995 (which still places my experience within the official operating timeline) here:

en.m.wikipedia.org...

and you could browse the declassified documents here (which includes the above referenced Monroe Institute documents - which were a part of this release):

www.cia.gov...

"Now, sure this was declassified, but they only admit to consensual adults being used in such programs!!! They wouldn't use kids! - That's crazy...." - you say?

Unfortunately the reality is that this would not be the first time they have scouted/utilized kids for research and/or ongoing operations. Declassified MKultra documents verify this, and you can watch a short video that goes into the scouting and utilization of children by the CIA here:

youtu.be...

So my conclusion? I already knew for a fact that some children in Gifted Programs were cherrypicked by 'the powers that be'... and now you can at least reasonably suspect that this is so as well! Ha...

a reply to: Apoceclipse

I was always ridiculed in front of the whole class for daydreaming, but was it really daydreaming?

My summation, of how I was treated as being above average was akin to abuse - back in the day.