Secret War With China Uncovered

Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by Trillium

 

Aye, you gave us a good whipping in the war of 1812, but you guys had the superpower of the day on your side.

New Orleans, though, andrew jackson bloodied your nose real good

Didn't the war basically end up a draw?

In 1814, we took a little trip, along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Missisip

I would not want to be on Chinas bad side. They will mass produce 50,000 drones to take out one target. The enemies wont even see it coming. They have an amazing manufacturing base. Quality may be shoddy, but a 50 cent bullet can do just as much damage as a 10 dollar bullet.

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Umm China is not yet a superpower.

is a bud yet a leaf?

Originally posted by babybunnies

Originally posted by princeofpeace
Umm China is not yet a superpower.

Economically, yes, Militarily, still working on it.

Not even close LOL

China's GDP is even ranked behind JAMAICA by the IMF.

This "China superpower" misinformation needs to stop. It's just silly. And militarily? Never gonna happen. Their economy is far worse than the US.

They will never be a top dog. Just a wannabe on the sidelines.

Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

We have had plans to invade Canada en.wikipedia.org...

Canada also had plans for war with America en.wikipedia.org...

You'll notice neither ever did it.

Everybody has plans for war with their neighbors. That is just diligence. Hypothetical wargames happen a lot.

As to whether they'd do it, Australia most likely doesn't want to fight a war against a budding superpower

edit on 1-6-2012 by Mkoll because: (no reason given)

When you speak of Canada you are also speaking of the U.S. War Games between the two are often planned as a way to keep each other Military sharp...but Canada really is the 51st State. When the Russian and former Soviet Defense Reports would come out...they would be labeled....North American, Canada and United States...THREAT ASSESSMENT.

This was done as the U.S. and Canada were both part of NORAD and there were and still are Hundreds of Joint U.S./Canadian Bases all over Canada. The ties that run between the U.S. and Canada are VERY DEEP as just about every Family in the U.S. has a Canadian Member and also the other way around.

The Total Land Area of the U.S. and Canada...with the U.S. being the Fourth Largest Country by area and Canada being the second largest...the combined two countries have a Land Mass that is larger than Russia...which is a very large area indeed. Split Infinity

reply to post by paradox


In terms of how well their economy is currently functioning, you are right. It is in pretty bad shape because they rely on other people buying their crap. When the rest of the world suffers economically China suffers slightly worse. They also have made massive malinvestments such as those idiotic ghost cities out in the desert. You are right that they are not a superpower yet, and it is quite likely that, should things get worse, civil strife could tear the country apart, ending their dreams of glory.

But in absolute terms their industrial capacity far outstrips the now deindustrialized USA. If the middle class in china manages to expand its freedom without tearing the country apart the country has potential to flourish.

Anyways, the point is that China is an important part of the global economy, they have lots of resources, lots of people, they are making friends and trade agreements that go around the dollar, and their middle class has been growing. Our middle class has been shrinking. We've traded our renowned productivity for a free lunch fueled by the mighty petrodollar and protected by the world's finest military. We've failed to develop resources, rare earth metals, available in our own country that they have now monopolized because the price of building new mines was too high and China was selling them cheap.

They have potential, even if they are not currently a superpower.

If you want to argue that China is not important on the global scene and lacks any possibility of gaining more importance then you are being willfully ignorant.

Regarding GDP, I think you missed a few digits there, sparky

Jamaica's GDP: 14.25 Billion (with a B now)
Jamaica's GDP

China's GDP 5.93 Trillion (with a T)
China's GDP

It's okay. I get trillions and billions confused all the time too

I don't think you confused GDP growth rates either.

Jamacia's GDP growth rate: -0.6%
Jamaica 's GDP Growth

China's GDP growth rate: 10.4%
China's GDP Growth

reply to post by paradox


The GDP figures are misleading in this case. I'm no economist, but it seems to me that there's a power base Elite in China who control the vast majority of the wealth, trade arrangements, military growth and so forth. They have a massive abundance of impoverished people, peasant farmers etc - who the Elite don't seek to help in any way, and it is that overwhelming majority of impoverished people (who have no voice, wealth or control) that drag the GDP figures down.

China is a two-tier nation; only the top tier is considered in the running for superpower status. They will likely never bring the general standard of living for the majority of their populace up to anything like we enjoy in the West.

They could act as a superpower even if two thirds of the population was still living in abject poverty.

Incidentally, they also have the world's largest standing army (the People's Liberation Army) comprising 2.3 million soldiers. They have a military reserve force of 1.5 million, and an armed police force comprising 1 million officers. They'd already make a fearsome enemy, but they're enjoying the trade boom too much to go looking for a fight.

Originally posted by yourmaker

Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by CrimsonKapital

 

Australia most likely doesn't want to fight a war against a budding superpower

they also most likely wouldn't have much of a say since the bulk of the war would be fought between the superpowers with Australians as a reinforcement liason or proxy force...in their own country lol...

Maybe you should look up historical war records such as WW1, WW2, the Korean War, Vietnam, and wars before that.

You might be surprised to find Australia has done more then it's fair share of fighting on the front lines, and will always be ready to fight if the need arises.

Hell, they are one of the few who are on the front lines in Afghanistan. The biggest force of troops outside of NATO. Most of NATO isn't even fighting over there. Australians are fighting and dying over there, just like Americans.

In fact, there is a little story from a few years ago about American special forces who were lost and hadn't a hope in the world. Australian special forces rescued them.

There's another story about the Dutch and their Apache gun ships. Australian soldiers were pinned down by the enemy in an intense battle, and called for air support. Dutch Apache gunships were in the area and within reach of providing support, but refused and went back to base.

And there's a whole lot more Australian forces have done and are doing and will be called on to do, alongside and independently of their American and British counterparts.
Australia pulls it's weight, don't be mistaken.

Iraq, Australia too fought there. Australian special forces were some of the first troops in Iraq, among the first if not the first to go behind enemy lines.

reply to post by CrimsonKapital

My heads been swimming with all this China (bussiness parnter) America (defense) squabble of late and have also wondered if we are being all played here in Australia,on one hand WA`s Premire is warning the Gov if WA doesn`t get fair treatment they will see us break away eventually,as the current Gov seems to sucking all it can from WA and letting China pick up the tab (where China has said they`re not happy about)

But also the Premire is welcoming a heavier presence of American Millitary (ships troops bases) in WA,I`ve had to wonder if our Gov knows exactly what they`re doing along with America`s,that in if it did one day come to a split,America is already here to control WA`s vast natural resources (which they seem to do a lot of with others)

This thoery is all probably wrong,though at times I do envy Nostradamus in foresight.


reply to post by BLV12A

Good post BLV12A