I make my own liposomal vit C. This stuff is frickin AMAZING!!!!!

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You quoted my post but didn't actually reply to it. This source is saying that liposomes merge with human cells like two soap bubbles to deliver the goods, which is clearly wrong. Human cells would not be happy if that were the case.

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One question: Can you advise on the mg strength of bulk vit C? I have a jar of C that contains 5,000 mg per teaspoon. Does this sound about right? Thanks for any advice.

I just used this recipe here:
recipe

I take 1 tablespoon twice a day. 1st one is when i wake up before breakfast, and 2nd time before lunch. Always on an empty stomach, chase down w a full glass of water, sometimes half a glass, and then wait 20-30 mins before i eat.

W the recipe on that page, each tbl spoon ends up being roughly 1000mg of vit c in the liposomal format.

For probably 8years or so i would take 2-3 1000mg vit c pills every other day or so and never ever felt a difference like i do with the liposomal.

Interesting thread. Couple observations if I may. Vageryn made a good point regarding the caveman thing, early man was probably eating more frequently, find a grub eat it, run across some fruit, eat it, kill a critter, eat it. They probably ate constantly and randomly. The world was less polluted, less stress, less bad stuff, so what cavemen ate was purer too. I see where Muzzleflash is coming from, I ask the same questions regarding the sun being harmful. How did we survive without sunscreen? It is important to ask questions, it is also important to be open.

I know that since taking 1000mg of vitamin C daily (more if I feel a little under the weather) I almost never get sick. I've tried other things, like echinacea, with so so results but when I got on the regimen of taking that much Vitamin C a difference occured.

I have heard one doctor refer to the government's 'daily recommended allowance' as being off the mark. Whether by design or ignorance, I don't trust them to get it right. Considering so much of our culture is designed to keep us sick, I remain watchful and keep educating myself.

The placebo effect is worth noting, do some research on anti depressants and placebos. In some ways, if a placebo makes you think you feel better, well then dammit, you feel better. As a Reiki practitioner I know that a lot of people say it is just the placebo effect but without getting into my personal experiences, I can say that it isn't the case. Still, my biggest concerns with this is long term issues with constant use. Does anyone have any information on this?

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
reply to post by Turq1

 

Exactly.

When Natural News and other people are talking about how Liposomal Vitamin C has a greater bio availability, they're referring to how the lipid bi-layer allows for greater intestinal absorption. It will help delivery cell uptake; however, in the end, it's the liposome is simply a transporter that delivers its contents from point A to point B. This is a technique that is commonly used in pharmaceutical drugs; not so much in vitamins.

I'm not saying it allows for greater intestinal absorption though, small difference.

Or at least not in a significant enough way to make it noteworthy and to go out of your way to produce/buy this stuff, which is what really matters. There's science and there's applied science, this is applied science. My point being that it's not about "does it increase absorption" but to a degree that matters enough for people to want to produce/buy this.

It probably won't get from point A to point B, because in between the small intestines and the cells of your body is the liver, which would breakdown the liposomes and the vitamin C in this case, would empty out, making it no different than plain old vitamin C from more conventional sources.

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Don't get me wrong. I personally think producing/buying this stuff is a waste of money, too.

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Sorry dude, muzzleflash and rockpuck said it isn't possible.
You should have checked with them first before wasting your time and money.
You aren't feeling the way you say you're feeling so sayeth the Gods of logic and reason.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
reply to post by Realtruth

 

Plus, I don't put a lot of stock in the whole "Meat and dairy and eggs, etc., are causing a high acidic environment" thing. It has more to do with people aren't consuming enough Greens and are eating way too many easily digestible carbohydrates.

I'm with you on that one. I don't buy that BS one bit. Carbs IMO are the main culprit for a highly acidic environment, and high fructose corn syrups too.

I think my whole concern with this homemade cure-all seems to be the lipid being used as the carrier and build-up of the fats and the vitamin C itself, but if you say the body excretes the C I am good with that. I know the C doesn't remain in the body long in the ascorbic form just by itself, but the introduction of a lipid, via an ultrasonic process at home made me think if it was worth a darn, and wonder if it was safe.

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None of us said "it isn't possible" .. we simply said that it's not necessary. As I pointed out you get more than enough Vitamin C absorption eating a single Orange. Others have helped back up the notion that soy fat coated Vitamin C is no different than taking a normal Vitamin C supplement consumed with an average meal containing fats. And science has proved that Vitamin C in large quantities, by it's self, in no way increases energy output or provides any outstanding health benefits. Science has also proved that Human do not need excessive levels of Vitamin C, and that relatively small quantities in the 100mg range is far more than enough (like say an orange.....)

Essentially any biological/chemical information provided has shown the sensationalized claims of the OP to be false over exaggerations. Eat an Orange.

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You quoted my post but didn't actually reply to it. This source is saying that liposomes merge with human cells like

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two soap bubbles to deliver the goods, which is clearly wrong. Human cells would not be happy if that were the case.

Look, if you google this liposomal format, there is definitely some science behind it. For goodness sakes that new zealand kid completely recovered from leukemia, pneumonia, coma, and on life support from taking this and this stuff is being sold commercially and super duper easy to make.

I read rave reviews on other forums about how people felt from taking this, yet i kept a more than fair share amount of skepticism. So i decided to make myself a human genii pig and note the results. If it was nothing or slight, then i would never have raved about it here.

Call it what you want, i cant say anything but awesomeness about this. I invested a little over 50 bucks and have enough to make over a years worth of this stuff for at least a few people. Now that i have the ultrasonic cleaner, i can buy 1 more lb of lecithin and vit c powder and have another year or more of this stuff for under $24. Just the savings vs pill form alone are worth it.

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The fat and the Vitamin C do not enter the blood together anyways, why they believe "coating" Vitamin C in fat is necessary is beyond me. Eating something containing Vitamin C, whether a fruit or a supplement, combined with the consumption of fats by its self is more than enough to better the absorption of not only Vitamin C but any Vitamin.

You'd get the exact same effect as drinking pure Vitamin C with pure fat. Highly unnatural.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Screwed

 

None of us said "it isn't possible" .. .

....claims of the OP to be false over exaggerations.

Gotta love it.

Also loved this one

Science has also proved

Still no one willing to acknowledge the fact that science has been wrong countless times thoughout history????

Any takers??

nahhhh.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
reply to post by Turq1

 

Don't get me wrong. I personally think producing/buying this stuff is a waste of money, too.

It's not your money. I'll *waste* mine when I make some early next week.. You OK with me *wasting* my own money...

Des

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Now this is steller!!!!!! Thank you for bringing this vital information to us because this is a beautifull weapon to help us all counteract the crap coming down on us constantly.

Cheers with a flag and star.!

reply to post by Rockpuck

The fat and the Vitamin C do not enter the blood together anyways, why they believe "coating" Vitamin C in fat is necessary is beyond me. Eating something containing Vitamin C, whether a fruit or a supplement, combined with the consumption of fats by its self is more than enough to better the absorption of not only Vitamin C but any Vitamin.

You'd get the exact same effect as drinking pure Vitamin C with pure fat. Highly unnatural.

Ive eatin tons of different citrus fruits, taken vit c in tablet/pill form, added the powdered c into shakes and have NEVER felt as pumped and energized as i do from this liposomal action. Maybe there is some unknown synergistic effect.

Either way, you go ahead and continue with your diet, and i will continue to feel super awesome from the definite effect im getting from the liposomal. Whatever theory or articles your finding that are giving you your conclusions, you go ahead and have fun w that. Ive read too many rave reviews, and myself feel so good from it, that i trust 100% that a study will come along and quantify all of this to be legit.

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have you thought about adding this mixture with a little bit of DMSO? not sure of the dangers but just a thought

A Dr said she cured her husbands Alzheimer's with coconut oil, so everyone I know bought it, had no improved memory but gained weight raised cholesterol.

I hope this is not another of those.

Dr. Hunninghake tries to explain: "I'm sure there are several factors here. Number one, most people think of vitamin C as a vitamin. You define vitamin as a trace amount of a substance that you need to prevent [ailments like] scurvy, in the case of vitamin C. But what we're talking about here is something in a pharmacological range. The way to really understand vitamin C is to go back to the writings of Irwin Stone who wrote The Healing Factor, which was a fantastic book written in the 70s about vitamin C. He points out that every creature, when they are sick, greatly increase their liver's or their kidney's production of vitamin C. But humans, primates, and guinea pigs have lost that ability. We still have the gene that makes the L-gulonolactone oxidase enzyme that converts glucose to vitamin C but it's non-functional. We have to get our vitamin C from the outside; from food. When we give vitamin C intravenously, what we're doing is recreating your liver's ability to synthesize tremendous amounts of vitamin C. … So I always look upon high dose vitamin C as nature's way of dealing with crisis in terms of your health. This notion however does not exist in the conventional thinking in the medical mind." There are also financial factors. The standard oncology treatments are extremely expensive while I.V. vitamin C is relatively inexpensive. And conventional medicine, as a general rule, is notoriously uninterested in solutions that can't produce profits.

I think the line 'recreating your liver's ability to synthesize tremendous amounts of Vitamin C' is why this might be so important. It isn't about getting a relatively small amount, as per RDA, but the tremendous amount needed to fight illness. Also, to Muzzleflash, maybe early man could still produce his own C back in the days, so living without eating massive amounts of fruit was possible whereas today, it isn't an option.

This is not a plug and I am not trying to sell anything.

I have an aunt who owned a company that makes and sells vitamins and minerals, she has a PHD in microbiology and biochemistry and is an osteopathic doctor. The name of her company is Nutritional Counselors of America, she still has some interest in managing the company and research.

I called her today and talked to her about this form of vitamin C and she did tell me that it is very promising as a new way of bonding the vitamin c into the bloodstream since it bonds it to a lipo protien instead of just water. She said this makes it fat soluble and that is why it is absorbed more into the bloodstream. She also said that it has the potential to make your system much more acidic and suggested that if I try this to check my PH at least 3x a day through saliva and urine PH tests for the first several weeks.

The ideal PH for the human body is 7.365, but anywhere from 7.35-7.45 is good. She practices a technique known as "Biological Ionization" that was developed by a man named Carey Reams. His research found that as acidity increased sickness increased since the acidic environment of the body became a basic greenhouse for bacteria to grow.

You can test your body's Ph with regular PH test strips by testing your saliva at least 30 mins after eating or drinking anything and with your urine at least 1 hour after eating or drinking anything. Just collect saliva and urine in a small container and use PH dip strips to test. There are more accurate methods but this is suffecient for a DIY test to get an approximate reading.

My suggestion to anyone that is going to try making and using this Lipo C is to test your PH regularly. As previous posters already stated, an acidic body PH can be very harmful and deadly.

My aunt also said that while sodium bicarbonate, or baking soda does work to return your body to an alkaline state you have to be careful if you are on a low salt diet. She suggested certain foods and some other items that I can't remember to maintain proper PH. She did however say that sodium bicarbonate could be used to buffer the Lipo C to maintain proper PH.

Not really related to the thread but you should research Dr. Reams work as it is very interesting and informative.

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A really interesting thread, im into the anti aging thing, and your comment about needing less sleep on vitamin C, I fully agree with. After about three years of trying various concoctions out..I've hit on the fact that the natural cleaning fluids are a key to reversing some of the aging problems..( they dislove calcium buildups in the circulatory system) I found what the vinegar didn't deal with, the lemon juice did .I Have a glass of orange juice, add a capfull of Apple cider vinegar and the juice of one lemon daily before or just after a meal.This is a maintainence dose, if you have something wrong you want to clear up double it for a few weeks, This over the course of three months has led to the disapearance of all liver spots, a deaf left ear which has been dead for over a decade coming back to normal functioning, no longer needing reading glasses any more..and basicly feeling great. As a long time smoker i found that cayenne pepper smoothed into the butter on a sandwich (to make it more edible) taken daily, with a couple of raw cloves of garlic ended the problems of breathlesness virtually straight away. I'll definiatly try out this new way to take Vitamin C.

Originally posted by dominicus
reply to post by Turq1

 

You quoted my post but didn't actually reply to it. This source is saying that liposomes merge with human cells like

.

two soap bubbles to deliver the goods, which is clearly wrong. Human cells would not be happy if that were the case.

Look, if you google this liposomal format, there is definitely some science behind it. For goodness sakes that new zealand kid completely recovered from leukemia, pneumonia, coma, and on life support from taking this and this stuff is being sold commercially and super duper easy to make.

I read rave reviews on other forums about how people felt from taking this, yet i kept a more than fair share amount of skepticism. So i decided to make myself a human genii pig and note the results. If it was nothing or slight, then i would never have raved about it here.

Call it what you want, i cant say anything but awesomeness about this. I invested a little over 50 bucks and have enough to make over a years worth of this stuff for at least a few people. Now that i have the ultrasonic cleaner, i can buy 1 more lb of lecithin and vit c powder and have another year or more of this stuff for under $24. Just the savings vs pill form alone are worth it.

You pretty much did it again

If you were to say the source is wrong it doesn't mean everything is, but it's good to avoid having an "anything goes" mentality, even if this liposome stuff works.