Possible Communist One World Government ??

7th_Chakra...this is a little off topic too, but...Thanks

"Afterall, Communism is related to Democracy...a far cry from Democracy, but an extreme version of it nonetheless. "

It is related to democracy, but it isn't "a far cry from democracy", nor is it "an extreme version of it."

the word democracy stems from greek "demos" which means 'people'. "democracy" Literally means "government by the people", not "government by elected people who make decisions on their own and without the people's consent."

Democracy
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly.

It is quite obvious that your precious "representative democracy" is an oxymoron, like "military intelligence" or "US Department of Justice."

Communism is in fact a stateless society similar to anarchism which can and does work, and is THE definition of democracy; there are dozens of examples like the Paris Commune, civil war era Spain, and the many tribes that live communally in the pacific ocean, who do not experience any of the non-existent 'human nature problems'.

Communism won't work now because people have been taught that having more than everyone else is a sign of success and a God given American right.
We have created a society where personal gain is above all else and exploitation of the less fortunate is normal and natural behavior.
Of course that's exactly what a totalaristic facsist government would want you to think.
Convince the masses that consumerism equals happiness, they'll keep comming back for more cause just like any drug you need to take more and more to maintain the high. Most people don't even realize how misserable they are, lets just work a few more hours for that next fix.
A life spent as a consumer slave. A quicke fix from your local super store.
Chase that carrot, it's getting closer, quicke before it's gone.

**We could feed every Human Being on this planet, but that would not be profitable**

communism is a great premis that works very well in the small scale. but when you get to many people, it falls apart. Why? Greed. people are greedy, its just how we are. when you are in a small group, you know and want to help the people with you. think tribal survival. when there are too many people, we dont know them, they arent your "friends" and you dont care about them personaly. it basicly falls apart. if there is a food shortage on a large scale,from a drought for example, and you farm on a river, are you going to ship all your food away, or feed your family and friends?

Originally posted by COWlan
Communism is not possible in realife but would it work in a one world government? Communism means all the people have equal rights and everybody contributes to everyone else. If one world communist government would exist, the poor areas of the world would be helped alot and the rich countries would stop wasting money on weapons and actually help out in the worlds. Share your ideas people!!

[edit on 2-10-2004 by COWlan]

[edit on 2-10-2004 by John bull 1]

The World Government has already been and gone. The Solar Government also disappeared too.

I was told this by Bob Dobbs.

"communism is a great premis that works very well in the small scale. but when you get to many people, it falls apart. Why? Greed. people are greedy, its just how we are. when you are in a small group, you know and want to help the people with you. think tribal survival. when there are too many people, we dont know them, they arent your "friends" and you dont care about them personaly. it basicly falls apart. if there is a food shortage on a large scale,from a drought for example, and you farm on a river, are you going to ship all your food away, or feed your family and friends?"

Obviously you didn't read my post, because it has worked on the scale of large cities (Paris Commune) and entire countries (Spain, and also many of the pacific islands).

Originally posted by Amorymeltzer im a big opponent to comunism. it wont work on a national level, and it definitely wont work on an international level. people inherently care about themselves, and to force them to ignore the good of ones self completely is absurdity.

That would be because communism in its basic nature is not supposed to work simply on a national level. It is a basic trait that for communism to come into existence it must be international so that all forms of materials/labor can be freely exchanged and distributed. Lastly yes people do care about themselves, self-preservation is a basic part of being human and communism in no way excludes this. The entire point is that people will embrace communism because it will create a setting wherein everybody can make a living for themselves and as a byproduct also help out all others. This process then goes full-circle and ends up benefiting the personal worker.

Originally posted by Amorymeltzer i forget who said it, but someone said that it wasnt communism that was so hard, it was getting to it that was impossible. to get to communism, you need an all powerful govt to put things in place. of course, once you have an all powerful govt, you aint gettin a communist society.

To be able to obtain a true communist society a stage of international socialism and immersion of the workers is necessary. And yes there will be an all-powerful government during this stage but this government is directly controlled and run by the people and as such reflects the wills of the collective, not by the elite capitalist class.

Originally posted by Amorymeltzer the people would reject it. the poor would suck the rich dry. wars would break out all over, chaos wud generally reign supreme. unless, of course, there was an all powerful, military dictatorship. then we really dont have communism, or even equality.

And pray just how will all of this happen? Communism creates total equality and total employment for those who want to work, and for those whom don't they get anything because they earned nothing. Furthermore under communism everything is controlled by one class working towards the interests of that class (the workers) in a militaristically devoid setting. So just how would all these wars break out?

Originally posted by COWlan
Communism is not possible in realife but would it work in a one world government? Communism means all the people have equal rights and everybody contributes to everyone else. If one world communist government would exist, the poor areas of the world would be helped alot and the rich countries would stop wasting money on weapons and actually help out in the worlds. Share your ideas people!!

[edit on 2-10-2004 by COWlan]

[edit on 2-10-2004 by John bull 1]

Im sorry but communism is the furthest from the description that you can come it is without a dout going to be a dictatorship where in one leader will lead over a council of seven leaders and in turn all policy will be made by them as fortold in the bible in Revelation

Originally posted by drbryankkruta
Im sorry but communism is the furthest from the description that you can come it is without a dout going to be a dictatorship where in one leader will lead over a council of seven leaders and in turn all policy will be made by them as fortold in the bible in Revelation

Please elaborate on this statement because I'm am really in the dark as to how you came to this conclusion. This looks like a statement of an unsupported opinion which you have passed off as fact. Really, elaborate.

Originally posted by socrepLT

Please elaborate on this statement because I'm am really in the dark as to how you came to this conclusion. This looks like a statement of an unsupported opinion which you have passed off as fact. Really, elaborate.

It has the most credible support a book written 2000 years ago tells the whole story and this book couldnt be right about events already realized as truth and be wrong on this point the NWO is directly described in 4 books of the Bible.....yes the Bible it was written over 2000 years ago and already has documented this generations actions almost word for word action for action granted they are hard to understand for unbelievers because they are often in parables butt never the less they have all come true to this date and the NWO will be no differnt

Originally posted by drbryankkruta
It has the most credible support a book written 2000 years ago tells the whole story and this book couldnt be right about events already realized as truth and be wrong on this point the NWO is directly described in 4 books of the Bible.....yes the Bible it was written over 2000 years ago and already has documented this generations actions almost word for word action for action granted they are hard to understand for unbelievers because they are often in parables butt never the less they have all come true to this date and the NWO will be no differnt

Again, clarify your statement. Pointing me to some defunct book written by a bunch of guys hopped up on opium does nothing to support your opinion. You have yet to explain why such an event will happen and instead point to a book and say it will. Furthermore you have still simply stated everything as a fact with out showing support. And use commas and periods for gods sake.

Originally posted by socrepLT
Again, clarify your statement. Pointing me to some defunct book written by a bunch of guys hopped up on opium does nothing to support your opinion. You have yet to explain why such an event will happen and instead point to a book and say it will. Furthermore you have still simply stated everything as a fact with out showing support. And use commas and periods for gods sake.

First sorry about my typing im trying to remember but I havent been to worried about my typing till I came here.

Second now I need clarification when in the world did you get that opium thing.

Third the Bible is all the proof I should need it was written over 2000 years ago yet is telling of events that we see happening now like weather wars rumors of wars etc.

For example lets ake the subject of wars and rumors of wars.
It was directly foretold 2000 plus years ago that at the end of the time of the gentiles in the biblical time line this large out break of wars all at one time and rumors of wars soon to start will occur. Now in this I can offer you this proof 1st a point of reference in time this time right now is the end of the time of the gentiles.

Now lets look at the war issue the US is in active war in 2 war fronts.
Israel is facing war from Palestine nothing new there but never the less a war all the same. Now Iraq themselves despite our help are at was with A clerics military forces right

Now thats 4 active wars there are a total of 11 wars in 11 differnt places actively now.

The second part goes like this rumors of wars

Israel vs Iran over nuke program

US vs Iran over nuke program

UN vs dafur militants over genocide

N Korea s S Korea over nuke program

China vs Taiwan over political differences and a demand to indep. and democracy

So on and so on and so on, now as best as I can tell the rumors of wars are evident in 13 differnt instances.

Now before you say it yes someone is at war or is rumored to be getting ready to war. However the extream levels that current listed and that are at this exact time is not coincidence it was for told.

Does this both help on my typing and the post?

Originally posted by drbryankkruta
First sorry about my typing im trying to remember but I havent been to worried about my typing till I came here.

Second now I need clarification when in the world did you get that opium thing.

Practice makes perfect. And Jesus and his followers (disciples, yadda-yadda) were known to smoke opium as a hobby. Not entirely unreasonable the area they lived in being the Middle East.

Originally posted by drbryankkruta
Third the Bible is all the proof I should need it was written over 2000 years ago yet is telling of events that we see happening now like weather wars rumors of wars etc.

One problem with this is that such events are only "foretold" after the fact of them happening. I see the same problem with the Bible as I do with such seers as Nostradamus who�s massive volumes of "predictions," are in such a cryptic format that after an event happens then people can glean through the vast amounts of writings and find something that "might" have been the prediction of the event. And besides things that are 2000 years old normally need a little dusting.

Originally posted by drbryankkrutaFor example lets ake the subject of wars and rumors of wars.
It was directly foretold 2000 plus years ago that at the end of the time of the gentiles in the biblical time line this large out break of wars all at one time and rumors of wars soon to start will occur. Now in this I can offer you this proof 1st a point of reference in time this time right now is the end of the time of the gentiles.

Now lets look at the war issue the US is in active war in 2 war fronts.
Israel is facing war from Palestine nothing new there but never the less a war all the same. Now Iraq themselves despite our help are at was with A clerics military forces right

Now thats 4 active wars there are a total of 11 wars in 11 differnt places actively now.

The second part goes like this rumors of wars

Israel vs Iran over nuke program

US vs Iran over nuke program

UN vs dafur militants over genocide

N Korea s S Korea over nuke program

China vs Taiwan over political differences and a demand to indep. and democracy

So on and so on and so on, now as best as I can tell the rumors of wars are evident in 13 differnt instances.

Now before you say it yes someone is at war or is rumored to be getting ready to war. However the extream levels that current listed and that are at this exact time is not coincidence it was for told.

That�s all an interesting approach but your prediction seems to limit wars to those involving more nationally recognizable nations. At this time there is much greater conflict than the few you have typed. There are dozens of civil wars and rebellions that spring up or have been going on for some time in Africa as well as South America. In short you include conflicts that can possibly happen but exclude numerous ones that have been happening. In addition the concept of wars can be highly arbitrary. For example, World War II, this is normally considered one war. But within that war several different things could be broken down to make it multiple wars. For instance there could be considered a war between the US and Japan, Germany and Russia, Italy and Great Britain, etc. etc. But instead they are all lumped into a singular war. This being said, a war against, say, Iran may be considered part of the singular "War on Terror" because it could fall under the necessary "requirements" to be considered part of it. Or they could view it as a completely different war altogether.

Originally posted by drbryankkruta
Does this both help on my typing and the post?

Much nicer.

Originally posted by socrepLT

Practice makes perfect.

And Jesus and his followers (disciples, yadda-yadda) were known to smoke opium as a hobby. Not entirely unreasonable the area they lived in being the Middle East.

I would not dispute a fact proven so if there is a way to verify this I would like to know how......you know I can partially see where some might get this idea from statements made in a parable that contained in part the following. Note not word for word

And Jesus said "nothing that enters your belly shall harm your sole for, things that enter your body and go into your stomache can not enter your heart"

One problem with this is that such events are only "foretold" after the fact of them happening. I see the same problem with the Bible as I do with such seers as Nostradamus who�s massive volumes of "predictions," are in such a cryptic format that after an event happens then people can glean through the vast amounts of writings and find something that "might" have been the prediction of the event. And besides things that are 2000 years old normally need a little dusting.

Although I can not dispute Jesus or God's words as a man of the cloth, I will conceid that this has been seen in history. So I know where your coming from, but God has given unto me a set of words he wished to touch my heart in order to reveal their truths.. God's greatest wish is not to hand you clear and simple truth, but that you find the truth in the parables and prophacies thru faith and love and worship of him sight unseen and his words based on the fact they came from this unseen God.

Even though he has place his son on this earth that we may see him die for our sins and there was no dought that he did so, he even spoke this way through Jesus in this manor that we seek and find the truth through their own hearts.

That�s all an interesting approach but your prediction seems to limit wars to those involving more nationally recognizable nations. At this time there is much greater conflict than the few you have typed. There are dozens of civil wars and rebellions that spring up or have been going on for some time in Africa as well as South America. In short you include conflicts that can possibly happen but exclude numerous ones that have been happening.

Since I dont have word for ward facts right in front of me I listed 4 wars and noted 7 others existed from pulling just off the top of my head having heard something about them..........But not remembering enough detail I left them as a number so as to include them anyway.

Sorry I was a bit obtuse in my statement. I will try to clarify better next time.

In addition the concept of wars can be highly arbitrary. For example, World War II, this is normally considered one war. But within that war several different things could be broken down to make it multiple wars.

If you notice I think sorta the same way that is why I termed the Iran issue the way I did. I put Israel and the US in two differnt listings, but history will probably record the coalition VS Iran when in fact they will be two differnt wars for two differnt reasons but they will have the same goal to remove nukes....I'm not sure I just made sense but I tryed.



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