What was God's reason to be a creator?

reply to post by Lionhearte


Dude you can't prove those statements in any way, if he made us out of love why would certain people suffer so much. You religious people put yourself on the same level as God, but you can tell you aren't because you lack the information that God would actually have. How do you know God doesn't have a family, what if he's a guy working in a lab that goes home to a family of his own. There's too many possibilities to have God just make us for no reason, if there is a God at all, which you can't prove as well, but I like the thought of there being a God because you can't disprove it either. Jesus wasn't real I'm guessing but the books made about him were made for the greater good, people that act like this ruin it for the world.

reply to post by Lionhearte


oh and what shall happen to the heathen souls of those who do not accept your son of God. Lakes of hellfire and torture for all of eternity. Don't tell me God made us out of love, because your religion rejects the people just as any other does.

reply to post by davidtheriault


I think the book of revelations mentions hell for eternity but that was because John didn't see far enough into the future to see that the people of hell would eventually be freed. The Apocalypse of Peter however, tells how Peter saw that Jesus freed everyone eventually. I think Apocalypse of Peter almost made it into the bible but they choose only John's version to keep people in line.

Originally posted by Bleeeeep
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

Love in the form of companionship or worship or both?

Considering there's like 7? levels of heaven - why make our realm?

Companionship. I'll worship him every day of my life for eternity out of free will.

Not familiar with any "levels" of Heaven. You might be thinking of the seven levels of Hell ?

Originally posted by davidtheriault
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

Dude you can't prove those statements in any way,

Of course I can't, because you've already established to me, and everyone here, that you are unwilling to accept any sort of evidence whatsoever. If I made the statement "You can't prove to me that you're right handed!" I'm declaring that I'm not going to accept any evidence whatsoever, even if you had ample amount of evidence to prove you are, indeed, right handed.

if he made us out of love why would certain people suffer so much.

Your question (or statement? You didn't end it with a question mark) assumes that God is the one causing people to suffer. People have free will, and if people choose to terrorize and cause war and pain and suffering on their fellow man, God cannot force them not to do what they have been given as a basic human right - freedom to do whatever one wishes.

You religious people put yourself on the same level as God, but you can tell you aren't because you lack the information that God would actually have. How do you know God doesn't have a family, what if he's a guy working in a lab that goes home to a family of his own.

I'm basing my reasoning on the Bible. If the Bible said God was a guy in a lab that uses us for experiments, I'm sure he would have a lot more haters and a lot less followers.

Fortunately, the Bible doesn't say that.

There's too many possibilities to have God just make us for no reason, if there is a God at all, which you can't prove as well, but I like the thought of there being a God because you can't disprove it either. Jesus wasn't real I'm guessing but the books made about him were made for the greater good, people that act like this ruin it for the world.

No, don't consider that all possibilities.. are possible. That's not science, that's poor reasoning skills. Yet, you've already established twice that you're not accepting any proof whatsoever, so there's not much reason to continuing talking to you.

oh and what shall happen to the heathen souls of those who do not accept your son of God. Lakes of hellfire and torture for all of eternity. Don't tell me God made us out of love, because your religion rejects the people just as any other does.

Those who do not accept the Son of God are willingly ignorant of the Truth. If they want nothing to do with God, then there's a place for that - The Abyss (which is for eternity, not Hell) is simply a separation from God.

Unfortunately, since God is love, peace, joy, happiness, life, then the Abyss is the opposite.

God made it so easy for people to have eternal life, yet people reject him because they don't want to stop chasing after their own lusts. Sadly, this will be their undoing. I pray no one goes to dies without Christ, and God is unwilling any should perish, but people still have free will.

And no, I don't have a religion. My beliefs don't reject anyone. Don't pretend like you know me, friend.

You don't.

reply to post by Lionhearte


Nah it was heaven, I was always thought that there we're multiple heavens or different levels. Although I have heard of multiple hells, but Idk about that one for sure. Dante's Inferno maybe?

I guess its just a matter of different denominations.

Why do you have children?

If you don't have children why do you have a dog?

If you don't have a dog why do you have friends?

If you don't have friends your in trouble....


But the first line should reveal the answer.

reply to post by davidtheriault


When one have children, one understands why He created us.

It is beautiful, perfect..it is LOVE.

Admittedly, not the everyone in this world understand this, and they see The Creator as a ruthless one.

As we will die for our children, so did He for us. It is all about love.

We are created for His pleasure... None of us is here by accident. We were planned and wanted by our Heavenly Father from before the beginning of time (Psalm 139).

"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." Revelation 4:11

"For by Him were all things created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers: all things were created by Him and for Him." Colossians 1:16

Reminded me of a favorite film: "It's a wonderful Life" and how each of us have an important role to play in life:



"Lady in the Water" says the same thing:

"You have a purpose. All beings have a purpose."

"Man thinks they are each alone in this world. It is not true. You are all connected. One act can one day affect all."

Awesome background music from the soundtrack BTW...

"This film supports the ideal that people still serve a purpose in this world, and that through supernatural power or simply by strange occurence we are where we are for a reason. Even the most insignificant people have a reason to exist. And that is an undeniably comforting truth in a world where one of our greatest fears is to be alone and without a cause to live." LINK

"...if we think that it is too difficult to help heal the world, that it is just too big then to me this is giving up, we must do whatever it takes to help humanity, life, and the planet heal. It is our duty as children of the creator of this earth and the universe. To feel that you have the ability to change this world is the greatest tool you have."

"But man has forgotten how to listen". The awakening of man will only happen when man begins to listen to his creator. But man has forgotten how to listen..."

Originally posted by Murgatroid
We are created for His pleasure... None of us is here by accident. We were planned and wanted by our Heavenly Father from before the beginning of time (Psalm 139).

On the contrary my friend! We are the result of an accident. We are here by coincidence. We are a happy mistake. Why do we always assume we are created for a reason?

reply to post by Lionhearte


Oh I Love this one! This really lovely! God wants someone to Love -- His family, we are His family! I like that.

l think so many of you have made some really nice contributions here--- It must kinda like all these are ideas are right, or touching upon It and then all rolled up into one, or something like that-- very interesting.

reply to post by davidtheriault


Maybe your LIGTS within keep the HEAVENS BRIGHT with your presence (SO THE MORE THE BETTER). But you may have to PASS certain SPIRITUAL/LIGHT TRAINING/ASCENSION to better focus your LIGHTS within, thru time spent here on EA*RTH 3d. Time learning to void EGO-learn COMPASSION and sTS service to self why developing a STO or service to others output energy, which inturn strengthens the SPIRIT-SOUL-INTERNAL energies/ LIGHT of the CREATOR CREATION within this LEARNING zone or ENERGY CONTAINMENT DEVICE CALLED THE UNIVERSE. So in short the CREATOR by CREATING others could be makeing its OUR home BRIGHTER/STRONGER with each Creator Creations presence/conscious input within the Heavens.

reply to post by davidtheriault


God wanted to share His love with others (us).

reply to post by davidtheriault


Someone already beat me to the first half of my answer. I do think the universe learns from itself...since it was all one entity (once upon a time) and now it's a bunch of fractured pieces experiencing free will...of course it's a learning experience.

But personally, I think there's no greater joy to be found than having a creation NOT follow in your precise footsteps, and learning life's answers on its own...and still being a roaring success.

reply to post by davidtheriault


The universe and everything within it are just gods imagination, or dream.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


That would fall in line with the belief that thoughts shape reality, which suggests that all of this sprung from the mind of Source.

However, the moment free will came into play, we would have diverged from Source's dream and become our own dream.

He was bored and had a bet with his wife if they, his creation, would follow his commandments.

The second part of the bet was how many would pass and return home. They are waiting with bated breath.

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by davidtheriault

 

Very interesting question. In the Western monotheistic tradition, God is held to be all-knowing, all-powerful and perfect. Such a being cannot possibly have any needs or desires. Why, then, should it do anything at all?

Some western traditions also portray God as loving, jealous, etc. Such contradictions lie at the heart of traditional monotheism. Philosophers down the ages have struggled with them but they have never been satisfactorily resolved. They will not be resolved on this thread.

My comments on answers received so far are given below. Apart from a couple of noble exceptions (imherejusttoread, Bleeep), all the answers given have been anthropomorphic ones – meaning, that the person answering thinks of God as mentally and emotionally equivalent to themselves. But God cannot possibly have petty limitations and desires. If Man is made in God's image, then the image is diminished, warped and botched to the point where it bears no resemblance whatever to the original.

Originally posted by HomeBrew
Why does anyone seek out each other? What does one miss out on by being singular?

A perfect being cannot be lonely, or miss anything or anyone.

You speak of words such as anthropomorphic but yet you comment on given answers in the same manor. To assume that a “A perfect being cannot be lonely, or miss anything or anyone” is just as much a human born notion as anything. What makes you think God thinks or experiences, or becomes in a state of perfection, perfection as a human notion of understanding? What other than human understanding makes you believe that limitations and desires are 'petty' to God? What makes you believe, other than simple and limited human understanding, that God does not deal in the simple as well as the unimaginable?

Point being, your total responses were just as anthropomorphic as anyone's here, based on your human insight as to what may, or may not, be of God. Having said that, There is in fact one limitation to being singular, even for God, and that is whats missing by not being plural, multiple. Gods commonly accepted message to human kind is to love one another. Even in the human transcribed bible(s), it is mentioned (love) over 700 times. It is within this notion, atop of the understanding that we were created in his image, that his reason for creation (to be a creator of life) is/was to experience external as well as internal love. Love is still the greatest expression of free will and since all of us are limited to anthropomorphic points of view on the matter, I will side with the notion that being created in his image, was to be created in the hopes of experiencing the one thing he could not as a singular. External love. The very same thing we all search for in each other, the very same thing that has been decreed by the divine as worthy. so I stand by my original offering.

Originally posted by GrandHeretic
reply to post by imherejusttoread

 

A christian physicist.....isnt that a paradox of sorts?

Not in the least. I consider myself a very rational, scientifically minded person, and, what I would call an evolutionary Christian mystic.

It matters not the degree to which Jesus Christ was mythologized - anyone who looks into his teachings and character with an open mind free from any sort of contemptuous bais prior to investigation, cannot help but come away charmed, and provoked deeply into gaining insight of both a psychological and spiritual nature. Plus there is no such thing as time really, the way we think of it, and the akashic field stores everything, right across the entire spectrum of all being and becoming, so it makes no difference in the spirit, whether Jesus was here 2000 years ago, yesterday, or today - the representation is still present, and the standard set and established for all time. In fact, it takes a good mind, and a scientific/analytical mind to understand Jesus, his teachings, and his Great Work or Magnum Opus, as to what it really means and signifies and was designed to accomplish for everyone who, in their own subjective prison cells, cannot by human resources alone, engineer their own salvation. It takes insight and a certain amount of genius to recognize and understand how a standard of perfect truth and justice, set apart from ourselves, who's highest expression is love and forgiveness (release from judgement) is capable of generating a new domain of freedom, new life and new possibility for the individual journeyor.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

Just to be clear, what Christianity represents, is a standard of uncompromising truth and justice, who's heart and modus operandi is love and forgiveness, from the apex or capstone of life and of being and becoming (evolutionary growth, which for us is now of a purely psychological/spiritual nature), all the way down. It sets us free for the sake of freedom to freely love as we are loved, authentically, while removing the possibility of predation by "powers and principalities" and of a purely darwinian "eat or be eaten" framework such that Jesus Christ is himself spiritual food for our enjoyment, willingly and consciously given. So I call Him the quantum cosmological Christ, because of its unsurpassed nature.

There is no height nor depth nor power or principality, that can separate us from the love of God in/through Jesus Christ.

Prior to Christ, we had to work out our salvation in fear and trembling standing relative to the absolute perfection, wholeness and integrity of God. Post Christ, we can work out our salvation with a sigh of relief, joy, and even laughter at our own prior folly. It generates space for us, and a whole domain of new possibility for the individual journeyor. He and his work represents a release from the trap/snare while placing us within an eternal family framework within which even death itself loses its sting or insult where the last laugh is at death's expense, with the price of sin paid in full ie: removal of the separation of condemnation according to a just judgement.

It's a great relief and joy to take the time to understand it's true meaning and significance.

Originally posted by davidtheriault
I'm generally interested in what other people have to think about this. Why would God make anyone else? Not just from a religious point of the world and universe but in the physical sense. If something created us just as if we were to create new life what would be this creator or our reason be besides either entertainment or study.

If this reality confine (which includes multiple universes and versions of material and "spiritual" realms) was deliberately initiated (which is very possible and not as hard to initiate as you might think), then the only plausible reason would be to facilitate a procreation gestational process. The truth is, this entire reality confine has the capacity to serve as such a process, and if our own reality confine is serving as such a process for a sentient being, then that would explain why the notion of a creator god exists within this confine.

And yes, I've thoroughly detailed the technical nature of the specific gestational process that involves an entire reality confine, with no hands-on micromanagement required by the author of the process once it's been initiated. It's pretty remarkable when you lay the whole thing out and see how primordial imperative expressions and logic principles convert what is a very natural result of progressive development into a literal placenta for a gestating intelligent sentient being that most folks would view as a supreme godlike being, when the initiation of that progressive development is intentionally launched. When I started this research, I really didn't expect it all to be this clean and precise all by itself. I actually did expect to discover stages where artificial prompts would be required, but that never happened. The whole thing works brilliantly on its own.

So, basically, if an intelligent being did launch our reality confine, then it did so to reproduce - in its own sense of what that means, of course. It's awaiting an addition to its family.