Timothy Mcveigh deserves a memorial to honor him

Timothy Mcveigh was a terrorist yes, he was charged with using a weapon of mass destruction to destroy a federal building and kill nearly 170 lives. However, he did this in response to seeing the US government use many more bombs with much larger tonnage kill many times the amount of civilians in Iraq, of course the government does not consider carpet bombing mass destruction because it's fair when they do it.

After watching two people shot in the head by and FBI sniper at Ruby Ridge and then witnessing tanks blow flame and ATF agents shoot at innocent americans eventually leading to the immolation of the compound as well as themselves he said enough was enough, if the US government is able to kill countless civilians some of which are in their own country Mcveigh decided to show them what their action looked like when held to a mirror.

Timothy Mcveigh is a martyr for the libertarian movement and should be considered as perhaps one of the greatest political polemics of all time.


the media not satisfied with the body count as it was decided to discriminate based on age and focused in on the daycare where multiple children were destroyed. It was roundly considered cowardly and unconscionable, however targets in the Gulf and Iraq wars that possibly harbored daycares were referred to as "shields" and routinely destroyed, body counts left un tallied.

While serving in Desert Shield, Tim had the opportunity to see the real effect of the might of the US government military forces, and the casual deceit that was a part of the US government war machine. Tim had been aware of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle that had been attacked by, what he was told by his superiors, an Iraqi Hit Team. After returning to the states, he found that the Bradley had been, in fact, a casualty of “friendly fire.” It was bad enough that the government had lied to the soldiers. It was the beginning of an understanding that grew in to contempt for the government.
In an even more startling incident occurred ion February 13. Two thousand-pound laser guided “smart bombs” destroyed the al-Amira bomb shelter in Baghdad. About three hundred people, mostly women and children, were killed in this attack. The government, through its ability to manipulate the press and spin truth into a sort of fantasy, deemed the deaths of the women and children as “collateral damage.”
Tim sent the following story so that others would begin to understand, though from what I have seen, almost all Americans seem to care ONLY if American lives are lost. And, it is against that ‘I don’t care about the rest of the world’ attitude, which is in such conflict with US government’s foreign policies (do as I say, or I will bomb you), that Tim was also speaking against – when he lit the fuse.

Whether you wish to admit it or not, when you approve, morally, of the bombing of foreign targets by the U.S. military, you are approving of acts morally equivalent to the bombing in Oklahoma City. The only difference is that this nation is not going to see any foreign casualties appear on the cover of Newsweek magazine.

It seems ironic and hypocritical that an act viciously condemned in Oklahoma City is now a "justified" response to a problem in a foreign land. Then again, the history of United States policy over the last century, when examined fully, tends to exemplify hypocrisy.

When considering the use of weapons of mass destruction against Iraq as a means to an end, it would be wise to reflect on the words of the late U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. His words are as true in the context of Olmstead as they are when they stand alone: "Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example."

You are sick.

reply to post by Propogandor


Your points about US violence abroad are of course valid.

However they have no relation to calling for a memorial for another mass murderer. The killing of civilians can never justified.

Timothy McVeigh was, in all likelihood, an agent provocateur, for the federal government, and in all likelihood, so are you.

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No, it's a viewpoint and (imho) a valid if not a difficult and controversial one. Anything more to add? Attack the idea, not the person. This is a discussion site, among other things.

ETA Adds hastily that I am not for a monument for a bomber.

Didn't you, or someone else....recently write this exact thread here on ATS?

Can imagine this one will get the same response.

I know what you are trying to get at, but killing people the way he did is not the way to get a memorial.

CX.

Originally posted by Propogandor
Timothy Mcveigh was a terrorist yes, he was charged with using a weapon of mass destruction to destroy a federal building and kill nearly 170 lives.


Timothy Mcveigh is a martyr for the libertarian movement and should be considered as perhaps one of the greatest political polemics of all time.

Wonder why the libertarian movement is having such marketing issues..hmm...

Ah, thought it rang a bell...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

CX.

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The only point I am going to spend any time on is that he took a sacred oath and broke it.
End of story as far as I am concerned.
And that is my opinion.

Note to all moderators and site owners. I am only casually on ATS anymore and this is the second post like this that I have seen in recent weeks. Talk of people rising up, etc, is probably expected on sites like this. But, the glorification of a domestic terrorist like Mcveigh is giving me serious pause about remaining a member - or even a guest for that matter. And NOT because I am offended but because if one of these psychos goes off and actually does something I don't want those of us who are normal (or abnormal whatever) members to be named and involved in any of the legal aftermath. That kind of stuff could be life altering.

Originally posted by Propogandor
he did this in response to seeing the US government use many more bombs with much larger tonnage kill many times the amount of civilians in Iraq, of course the government does not consider carpet bombing mass destruction because it's fair when they do it.

Yes...because when I see someone murder someone unjustly, I murder a random stranger..
because..you know..that makes sense...

so long as you change the definition of sense anyhow..

Originally posted by Skewed
You are sick.

Beat me to it.Why don't we just give every mass murderer the same honor?

Let's go a step further and memoralize every serial killer right along with their victims.

Sound dumb?Yea,so does the op.

reply to post by Propogandor


If you'll indulge my summary of your post: The U.S. government murders innocent people and erects monuments to celebrate this. Timothy McVeigh murdered innocent people, so we should erect monuments to celebrate him.

In all seriousness, where would you draw the line? Should we also erect monuments for serial killers? And drunk drivers who have killed? And what's the criteria? Number of kills?

Again, not trolling. Serious.

Timothy Mcveigh was a child killer, the nastiest sort of human being. He made his grand political statement with no regard of human life. There's a special place in hell for him, and for those who admire him. I hope you get whats coming to you.

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im guessing u just want attention and im sorry to aid u in your quest, but anybody that kills for any reason other than survival needs there heads examined, and anybody that would emulate a murderer needs to consider there own sanity. but like i said u r probably just looking for attention so good luck in ur quest

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*ahem*

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But it became an unwelcome place for a new user, who joined the site in early 2009 and called himself "Erad3." Now - based on the language in his postings, and information about where he logged on - the site's operators believe Erad3 was accused Arizona shooter Jared Lee Loughner, 22.

- - WaPo

We came through that one all right...

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Its happened more than once, actually.

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I see your point.But there's lots of governments that have killed innocent people.Why single out the US?

Oh wait I know why,because that's the common theme on ATS.Bash the US.

Originally posted by Propogandor
Mcveigh decided to show them what their action looked like when held to a mirror.

Baby kicks kitten. So, father kicks kitten to show baby what it looks like. ???

Anyone who would openly applaud such heinous, sociopathic crimes is probably on the verge of committing such crimes, or at least seriously thinking about it. I hope the gov't is watching this thread.

I don't care what McVeigh's motivation was, or whether he was a government plant or not; he admitted murdering children, KNOWING they were in the building. Those are not the actions of a Patriot OR a man; they are the actions of a cowardly, sniveling, cold-blooded murderer.

Timothy McVeigh was a piece of SNIP, and if anyone ever does erect a memorial to him I'll be sure to go out of my way to lay a huge, steaming chud on it.