Fibonacci Numbers, Phi, and the Venus/Earth Relation

Before beginning, I will acknowledge that all of these topics have been previously discussed here on ATS. However, in this thread, I am attempting to propose a possible correlation between them all. Also, it is my hopes that I can refrain from being categorized with other number-based threads that seem to have various errors in their foundation and/or are built upon pseudo-science with no real relation other than the numbers themselves.

A lot of the number coincidences and findings are based off of an approximation and do not have "set in stone" values. As there is a great amount of occurrences of these numbers in nature, there is an equally as great amount of times when these numbers did not occur. I'm not claiming anything in here to be absolute, but merely showing occasional coincidences that have been recorded and studied. Please do not think I am trying to impose possible false beliefs upon you.

All that being said, let's jump right into this, shall we?



The Fibonacci Number Sequence:
Named after Leonardo Pisano Bigollo a.k.a. Leonardo of Pisa, a.k.a Leonardo Pisano, a.k.a Leonardo Bonacci, a.k.a, Leonardo Fibonacci, a.k.a Fibonacci, who was an Italian mathematician. While the number sequence was known to mathematicians much earlier than his existence, he was the one who made it famous to the Western world through his book the Liber Abaci (Book of Calculations).

Starting with "0, 1", the sequence is created by the next number equaling the sum of the previous two numbers. The sequence is as followed: 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 89, 144, 233, 377, 610, 987, 1597, 2584, 4181, 6765, 10946, etc.

Some of you may also be familiar with the Fibonacci Spiral:

Photo origination.


Many people believe that this Fibonacci sequence is the fundamental core for nature and its creations. There is much evidence of this available. The anatomic structure of humans follows the ratio of these numbers, from the body as a whole, to the details of the face, even our DNA shows Fibonacci number relations! The shell of the iconic Nautilus sea creature follows these numbers (Fibonacci Spiral). Many flowers and plants. Some musical instruments follow this as well (while they are man-made, it is interesting to note that implementing the Fibonacci sequence into the design of a musical instrument gives it the best and most "natural" tone. Even things on a galactic scale (which we I am more aimed at in this post). The list goes on continuously.

These numbers occurring in nature could just merely be a coincidence (a not so impressive one, given the number of things that do not follow the system), or they could be of greater significance. It is not my place to say.


Phi or "The Golden Ratio" (symbolized as "Φ" or "Ø"):
The Golden Ratio is essentially a ratio that is to the larger quantity of the sum of two quantities as the larger quantity is to the smaller quantity. For example:

Picture origination.

Do some math and you get the irrational number of 1.6180339887... usually rounded to 1.618 or, if you are using the inverse of a ratio, 0.618.

The numbers in the Fibonacci sequence give this ratio to an approximation when divided. When applied to practical uses, such as lengths, they show a golden ratio. Input numbers to the above image:

2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, ...,

2 + 3 = 5
3 + 5 = 8

5 is to 3 as 3 is to 2, 8 is to 5 as 5 is to 3, etc.

This can also be easily witnessed in the Fibonacci Spiral posted above. The Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Ratio go hand-in-hand. It's quite a beautiful relationship.

An example of Phi found in nature: Divide the amount of females in a nest of honey bees by the amount of males and you will usually come to 1.618! Now that's my kind of party!


"But how does Venus come in to play with all of this?"
Well, Venus and Earth seem to have an interesting relationship with each other. It is theorized that the core of Venus has a significantly out of round core. This would cause Earth's gravitational pull to effect the orbit of Venus, evidence would be the fact that any time Venus and Earth are at their closest point, the same face of Venus is always exposed to Earth.

It has always been said that Venus is the sister planet of Earth, due to size and other things, but perhaps there is more validity in that statement due to a significant relationship between the two.

So, what exactly does this have to do with Fibonacci? Well, the relationship of Earth and Venus seems to display a lot of qualities of the sequence. For starters, Venus has an orbital length of 224.695 days (Earth days) where Earth has a length of 365.242 (again, Earth days), creating an approximate ratio of 8/13 (to be more exact a number of 0.615 which is almost Phi [0.618]). Venus is also interesting in that its day (243 Earth days) takes longer than its year. This day of Venus is exactly 2/3 of an Earth year, and while "2/3" is a very generic fraction, it is also part of the Fibonacci sequence (0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5...).


Now let's get sidetracked for a bit and take a look at the pentagram:

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If it is a perfect pentagram, the lines will follow the golden proportion.
Example given:
Red = 8
Green = 5
Blue = 3
Purple = 2

The pentagram obviously holds much spiritual symbology, be it holy or evil, but one thing is for certain, it is a shape relative to Fibonacci.

There is a reason why the pentagram is so relative to this thread, though. It is because of Venus's transits. A transit is basically like an eclipse, except it doesn't actually block out the sun, it just obstructs a tiny dot on the face of the sun:

Picture origination.

These transits are quite rare but seem to follow a strict, observed pattern. One transit happens, followed by its pair 8 years later, then there is either a 121.5 year break, or a 105.5 year break, that alternate with each other. This timeline can be expressed easier like this: 8 + 121.5 + 8 + 105.5 + 8 + 121.5 etc, etc- (with those units being Earth years).

The reason this is relevant is that these transits work in a 5-piece cycle (again genericness, but it should be noted that 5 [being the cycle] and 8 [being the time in which 2 transits happen] are all Fibonacci numbers).

And just why is a 5-piece transit cycle so relevant? Well, remember what I explained earlier about the pentagram?

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Well, interestingly enough, this 5-piece transit cycle happens to form the exact points that create a pentagram:

Picture origination. (Also, a great site on the pentagram.)

As you can see, the points in which the Earth, Venus, and the Sun all line up, draw out a pentagram (which, as I described earlier, is a Fibonacci-based shape). It should be worthy to note, also, that when the cycle restarts, it does not land on the same exact spot but merges slightly to the west, however the entire cycle moves eastward. This creates a combination of swirling pentagrams over its lengthy course:

Picture origination.

The angled picture above shows the cycles mapped out in the years 2247 and 2255, depicting what a swirled pentagram would look like.

It should be noted that the last transit took place on June 8th, 2004, and the next transit is going to take place on June 5th or 6th (depending where you live) of 2012! This will be the last transit for the century and if you missed the first one, it will truly be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. I highly recommend you look for it, but not without proper eye protection. As you should know, staring into the sun can cause serious eye damage within seconds. Always be safe.


So, what all this really means... I don't have a definitive answer. I do have some theories, however; crazy ones at that.

Earlier I mentioned how Venus's day takes longer than its year. What I didn't mention was that Venus has a retrograde rotational spin. Most planets in our solar system rotate counter-clockwise, but Venus (and Uranus) seem to spin the opposite direction. Scientists think this is because a large asteroid might have hit Venus and disturbed its rotation and orbit.

Some people theorize that the Fibonacci sequence is the basis for all physical manifestation and design. Whereas some people think Fibonacci is only relative to Earth. And example of Earth being strongly engrossed in the power of Fibonacci would be of its relation to its Moon:

Picture orientation.

If you draw a radius line on earth from the edge to the center, then draw a line from the center of Earth to the center of its Moon, and connect the two lines, you get a triangle that is considered golden by following Phi.

If this is so, perhaps Venus did have its orbit disturbed by an asteroid and then it became victim to Earth and its influence. This would explain why Venus is having its orbit possibly controlled by Earth and why there are so many Fibonacci coincidences between the two.

However, if Fibonacci is the numeric design behind ALL physical manifestations, then perhaps Venus and Earth really are brother and sister and are engaged in a powerful dance between the two. Earth has an ozone of oxygen, and Venus has an ozone of carbone dioxide. Which, while it sounds silly, I would consider them opposites (seeing as how humans breathe in one and breathe out the other). The both spin in opposite directions, as well.

It should also be noted that the frequency wave created by the orbit around the Sun by Earth and the frequency wave of the rotation of Venus's day create a harmonic interval ratio of 3:2 (a Fibonacci sequnce). This pure harmonic interval creates a perfect fifth in the musical scale. The perfect fifth is the most harmonious note in the scale and sounds the most pleasing to the ears as it has less dissonance than other notes due to it being the furthest away from the root note.

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As for the spirituality on Venus, I do not know much but
this site seems to:

The astrophysical resonances of Venus govern the heart bio-energy centre (chakra), and the thymus, which is the neurological control center for the immune system. The heart chakra is our centre of intuitive knowing, harmony, magnetic attraction, that which we value, love, romance, and sexual rapture. It is where we find our capacity for compassion and appreciation of beauty. The heart chakra and thymus resonate to the emotional tone of fear and judgment. It is fear that shuts the heart down and causes all immune related problems. We defend our fear with judgment. Like the thyroid (governed by Mercury) is reflexed to the liver, the thymus is reflexed to the spleen. All immune disorders are fear related. The astrophysical resonances of Venus govern heart musculature and firing, lungs, bronchiole, and breasts. All asthmatic and breathing conditions, a sunken chest, and breast problems are fear / judgment originating.

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Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars lie in that order in our soular system (a system for the evolving soul), Mercury is of logistical thinking, Venus of intuitive awareness, We must integrate the resonances of Mercury and Venus in our lives before we can express through the creative forces of Mars in balance--this being a fundamental lesson for souls on Earth. Until that occurs, our expression of Mars remains awry. Expressing from Mercury alone is mentalized judgment, without heart. Expressing from Venus alone is blind heart. Synthesized Mercury and Venus express as Intuitive Knowing. When we express integrated heart and mind (Intuitive Knowing) through Mars we demonstrate Creative Wisdom in Physical Manifestation.

As I have said, the next transit is due June 5th or 6th of this year. There has definitely been a lot of hype about 2012 and its spiritual significance. A common (and more inspiring) theme seems to be the matter of mankind's ascension, mass-enlightenment. Perhaps, this is the year for something positive to take place. If so, maybe the transit of Venus coming up will be a stepping stone to the final hoorah in December.

There have been a lot of galactic events happening this year. The recent ring of fire total solar eclipse (that also aligned with the Pleiades) comes to mind. While this year is isn't a "sore-thumb" of rare space-happenings, it certainly has been interesting. Perhaps, all these occurrences are just building us up and preparing us for what is to come.

We humans are like batteries, we have inputs and outputs, and if we are charged up too quickly without being able to handle it, we just might explode. I'm sure the Universe doesn't want us to explode.

Then again, all of this could just be random chance and not have any significant meaning at all, but I have been thinking about it an unusual amount lately, and I like to be hopeful. Regardless, the relationship between Earth and our sister Venus is something that I find quite beautiful.

All comments are happily welcome.

Thank you.


I would also like to take a second to thank these two sites for exposing to me in a professional way a lot of this information:
www.lunarplanner.com...
www.goldennumber.net...

Numerology + Mathematics = Kooky theory with no basis nor relevance.

You managed to slaughter Astronomy, Physics, Maths & Music theory all in one meaningless thread.

That must be some kind of record!

Bravo!

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If you don't have anything nice to say...

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing ~ Socrates

Originally posted by OccamAssassin
Numerology + Mathematics = Kooky theory with no basis nor relevance.

You managed to slaughter Astronomy, Physics, Maths & Music theory all in one meaningless thread.

That must be some kind of record!

Bravo!

Shame on you for your ignorance and lack of awareness of the Cosmos and its natural physics.
Your comment is irrelevant and meaningless and adds no value to human consciousness.

For those interested in learning how Fibonacci numbers and Lucas numbers and the Golden Ratio manifest in the sacred geometries of religions, as well as in the Pythagorean musical scale and the Platonic solids, you might want to study this research article:
Part 1
smphillips.8m.com...
Part 2
smphillips.8m.com...

It is stored in the research archive of a website that studies with rigorous mathematics the scientific meanings of sacred geometries, demonstrates their equivalence and decodes the information they contain about the nature of physical and superphysical reality.

While as you yourself admit the correlations between a lot of what you've said are in parts a little tenuous, the fact that you have not only made these correlations in the first place, and then gone and put them together in a really beautiful thread really impresses me. Even if everything you've said is just pure coinicidence (and you know what they say about coincidence...) I've learnt something. If nothing else I will definitely be noting down the 5th/6th of June in my calender.

S&F

Mathematics is the language of nature, indeed the universe itself. And there is far more out there than simply that which is accepted by todays mainstream science. We are only just beginning to see beyond the tip of the iceberg.

Also cheers to micpsi for the really great links

After reading your post, I formulated a speculative thought.

The Golden Ratio is essentially a ratio that is to the larger quantity of the sum of two quantities as the larger quantity is to the smaller quantity

In terms of energy, maybe the sun is the sum of the earth and venus. Earth and venus are the larger quantities and the smaller quantities respectively. And because of the fibonnaci relationship between the sun, earth, and venus, Earth is conducive to intelligence.

Just a thought.

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I stand by my statement and add that people like you are the bane of society and are holding back the natural evolution of us all. You slow the learning of the next generation by posting crap and supporting stupid theories because they sound "smart", but when held up to the light...they are so fatally flawed that only a complete dimwit would believe it.

Again....Bravo!

Statements like...

Some people theorize that the Fibonacci sequence is the basis for all physical manifestation and design. Whereas some people think Fibonacci is only relative to Earth. And example of Earth being strongly engrossed in the power of Fibonacci would be of its relation to its Moon:

...just show a complete lack of understanding of physics by both the OP and the two of you.

Only relative to Earth?

Does this mean that the calculus I learnt in university will only be relevant on Earth?

What is this elusive "Power of Fibonacci"?

I could keep going but I won't.


So.........What was the correlation at the end of the OP?


Oh....that's right....there wasn't one.

It was just a bunch of numbers that didn't hold to scrutiny. As always, any ratio between 1.5 and 1.7 gets labelled as being a "Golden Ratio". Try building something with such sloppy maths and see how quickly the building is condemned by bureaucrats.

A bit of Astronomy that didn't go anywhere and failed to note some relevant points. It's is a pretty piss poor correlation between Venus and Earth when you consider that we already have mathematical solutions for planetary motion that include all celestial bodies......not just a select few.

A little music theory that was interpreted wrongly......Roots & Fifths......Which root note and its Fifth has a golden ratio? Sure it may fall on two notes but there will only be two as the chromatic distance between the root and fifth will always be the same but the frequencies will only allow a "golden ratio" (or close to it) once.

This is why Venus was the goddess-planet of beauty...the ancients were astonished when they discovered that Venus traces a perfect pentagram through the sky every four years. That's how the Olympiad schedule was created...in fact, the five circles were almost a pentagram, until they decided they were more interested in symbolizing the unity of nations, and not the four points of nature.

just wanted to say iv seen the chart that shows how the orbits make the pentagram and there are vids out there that show this and actually they dont make the full pentagram,one of the sides dont fully close at the point but still pretty stellar stuff,great post S&F 4 u

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Oh oceanassassin...

You remind me of the catholic church. So ironic... You say we hold back society, yet you are the one wishing to restrict free knowledge. You are a perfect example of what truly holds back society, as you are no different than what the catholic church did to Galileo. You are no different than the scientists who laughed at Nikola Tesla's technology. You are no different than the teacher that called Einstein stupid. You are ignorance!

You say a post like this holds back society, yet if you were taught in university that leeches heal the blood, you would believe it yourself! Stop your ignorance, open your mind, and learn to see from multiple perspectives. Learn to theorize and see from the view of another. The goal of life is to learn more, not to pretend as though you know all.

However, you argument is sound and you have a right to argue, and in fact it only promotes more knowledge. However I do not agree with the insulting manner in which you speak, so high up on your ego's throne...

With that said.

Amazingly put together thread, great theories. The fibonacci sequence and sacred geometry have been a part of society since the ancient times, and I'm sure there is much knowledge we've either lost or which has yet to be discovered. I definitely believe there is much more than meets the eye in this case.

nice post friend! i love the golden mean,and all it represents everywhere you look!
ignore the `negative`threads ok!
i see what you are trying to say,and although the math isn`t always exact`, tell me what in nature or space is!!!
nature is always `correcting`itself by means of natural selection!
there is an old mystical saying- we can never have perfect balance in nature,or life,lest there will be stagnation,and no growth.you cannot grow if you don`t learn from mistakes!
if people don`t think the Fibonacci code is real,look at how your credit card is shaped,or your cell phone,or a pack of cigarettes.etc.....
this is on purpose,its pleasing to look at.
same as music (of the spheres). certain tones are pleasing to hear,that is why all your radio music sounds the same!dance,be happy,buy the music! the music and advertising industries have been aware of fibonacci sequence for a long time!!!
if ya dont believe me,look at the art of Da Vinci,or poussin,or countless other masters that knew this math!
peace

Thanks for all the nice comments, guys.

Great thread!! As you can tell from my avatar I really like Fibonacci and Phi.

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Firstly, you should note the usage of the word "theory". Where your mind closes, ours continue on. This is posted in Philosophy/Metaphysics for a reason and not Science. I am here to theorize about possible mystical outcomes rather than just limiting myself to, what science calls, a definitive answer.

Secondly, as for your fallacious argument about the music theory. I never said it was a "golden ratio", I said it was a Fibonacci sequence, as in "0, 1, 1, 2, 3,":

It should also be noted that the frequency wave created by the orbit around the Sun by Earth and the frequency wave of the rotation of Venus's day create a harmonic interval ratio of 3:2 (a Fibonacci sequnce). This pure harmonic interval creates a perfect fifth in the musical scale. The perfect fifth is the most harmonious note in the scale and sounds the most pleasing to the ears as it has less dissonance than other notes due to it being the furthest away from the root note.

The irony in your signature...

Originally posted by micpsi
For those interested in learning how Fibonacci numbers and Lucas numbers and the Golden Ratio manifest in the sacred geometries of religions, as well as in the Pythagorean musical scale and the Platonic solids, you might want to study this research article:
Part 1
smphillips.8m.com...
Part 2
smphillips.8m.com...

It is stored in the research archive of a website that studies with rigorous mathematics the scientific meanings of sacred geometries, demonstrates their equivalence and decodes the information they contain about the nature of physical and superphysical reality.

Hey. Thanks a lot, micpsi, for those great links. I am really enjoying them.

Originally posted by 1littlewolf
While as you yourself admit the correlations between a lot of what you've said are in parts a little tenuous, the fact that you have not only made these correlations in the first place, and then gone and put them together in a really beautiful thread really impresses me. Even if everything you've said is just pure coinicidence (and you know what they say about coincidence...) I've learnt something. If nothing else I will definitely be noting down the 5th/6th of June in my calender.

S&F

Mathematics is the language of nature, indeed the universe itself. And there is far more out there than simply that which is accepted by todays mainstream science. We are only just beginning to see beyond the tip of the iceberg.

Also cheers to micpsi for the really great links

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I'm glad I could let you know about the transit coming up.

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From your disdain, it seems apparent that you don't really know the significance of the golden ratio and the fibonnaci sequence as they apply to nature. Look it up, it is very interesting. Go to youtube and type in "spirit science golden ratio". That video is an entertaining and graphic explanation of what some have called, "the math of God".