Five reasons why gay marriage is a basic, conservative value

Originally posted by Eurisko2012


I have my eye on the 31 states.

Majority rules!

You lose.

It appears that the people of Florida agree with me.

The only majority that counts is the supreme court and all of the states have to go by what they say. Whether they like it or not.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
We have thousands of years of tradition.

Traditional marriage also included polygamy.

I am not against polygamy...as a choice..but state benefits and such should extend only to a couple, not several..I personally don't care about what the couples forms are...nor do I even actually care if love is there actually..its a legal thing (decisions, stability, etc..hell, let em be bff's.)

But ya..so, your view that since its tradition, therefore your all for it, means you also support polygamy.

I have 31 states on my side.

Lets keep a close eye on that number.

I see it rising to 32 very soon.

After looking into it I noticed several of those 31 states actually filibustered the vote so it would seem while a few of the conservative representives of each state are on your side the majority whether it be slight or large is still on board with passing the bill. Don't sit to comfortably on that 31 state pile my friend.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by something wicked


Well, I hate to say this, but I think that may say more about Americans than Christianity. Please show me a Jewish or Muslim place of worship that will perform a same sex marriage...... sorry? You can't find one? No, you can't.

Orthodox rabbi marries gay couple in historic wedding in DC

by: shakimia - Monday, November 14, 2011

The two major identities that stick out for me are my Jewish and Queer identities. Anytime I see or read something about the intersectionality between the two, I get extra emotional.

This week was the first ever orthodox ordained gay wedding.

www.amplifyyourvoice.org...

WOOOOT WOOOOT! God job!
Glad you're my friend!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
I have my eye on the 31 states.

Majority rules!

You lose.

It appears that the people of Florida agree with me.

You truely don't understand the country you live in, do you...

I feel really bad suddenly about engaging in you...I didn't realize you were so nieve about how things work in a constitutional republic.
...
suddenly I am not even slightly compelled to respond to you..as it is like responding to a goldfish. Just...make an attempt to understand the difference between a constitutional republic and a democracy.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Ben Franklin

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by something wicked


Well, I hate to say this, but I think that may say more about Americans than Christianity. Please show me a Jewish or Muslim place of worship that will perform a same sex marriage...... sorry? You can't find one? No, you can't.

Orthodox rabbi marries gay couple in historic wedding in DC

by: shakimia - Monday, November 14, 2011

The two major identities that stick out for me are my Jewish and Queer identities. Anytime I see or read something about the intersectionality between the two, I get extra emotional.

This week was the first ever orthodox ordained gay wedding.

www.amplifyyourvoice.org...

WOOOOT WOOOOT! God job!
Glad you're my friend!

I read a couple gay news sites to keep current.

I remembered this one.

reply to post by freakjive


All of this is true and is certainly a strong argument for the encouragement of any legal civil union between gay couples, but though I am not religious myself, I understand that it is fundementally NOT POSSIBLE for the christian church to sanctify gay marriage. In much the same way it is not possible for the christian church to hold a bar mitzva. gay coupling is outside of the christian value system. wrong or right, that is just the way it is.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by The Old American
We're still trying to figure why the word means so much to you? It's just a word. Words and meanings can change over time. Maybe it's time for this one to do so.

I'm trying to fugure out why the word means so much to gays.

If your argument is that the word 'marriage' shouldn't matter to me, then it shouldn't matter to gays either.

They should just drop it as being of no importance.

There is benefits you get from the government if you have that word over your union.
its an equality thing.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
I have my eye on the 31 states.

Majority rules!

You lose.

It appears that the people of Florida agree with me.

You truely don't understand the country you live in, do you...

I feel really bad suddenly about engaging in you...I didn't realize you were so nieve about how things work in a constitutional republic.
...
suddenly I am not even slightly compelled to respond to you..as it is like responding to a goldfish. Just...make an attempt to understand the difference between a constitutional republic and a democracy.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Ben Franklin

I think you meant to say - naive -.

Look it up.

I still have my eye on my 31 states. Let just see if anything happens.

BTW, i have the people of Florida on my side.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by The Old American
We're still trying to figure why the word means so much to you? It's just a word. Words and meanings can change over time. Maybe it's time for this one to do so.

I'm trying to fugure out why the word means so much to gays.

If your argument is that the word 'marriage' shouldn't matter to me, then it shouldn't matter to gays either.

They should just drop it as being of no importance.

There is benefits you get from the government if you have that word over your union.
its an equality thing.

Here's a scenario that happens a lot.

You and your partner buy life insurance from a company that accepts gay partners. Without notification - - this company sells to another company - - who may sell your policy to another company.

You pay on it for 30 years. Your partner dies. The company that now holds your policy does not honor same sex partners.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

I think you meant to say - naive -.

Look it up.

I still have my eye on my 31 states. Let just see if anything happens.

BTW, i have the people of Florida on my side.

still doesn't matter if the SCOTUS says "do it"

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

I still have my eye on my 31 states. Let just see if anything happens.

BTW, i have the people of Florida on my side.

Its unconstitutional for a majority to vote on minority rights. The only reason its happening in marriage - - is because states were given marriage rights.

However - - as previously said - - just like the Civil Rights Act and Fair Housing - - - Federal Constitutional Rights will eventually nullify your 31 states.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

We are demanding the government alter a religious viewpoint
We need to be demanding the government remove the religious viewpoint...not alter it.

For the record, I agree with you SaturnFX. But I don't see this on any ballots. It would get voted down by the religious right anyway. I wish this issue would get to the Supreme Court, because I think it could be fixed there. I think even a conservative-leaning SC would say it makes sense to remove religion out of government altogether. Let's have civil union licenses for everyone, and marriage ceremonies for those that want it.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis

The word (marriage) has not been hijacked - the word, along with it's meaning - doesn't belong to anyone

If it does, then that must mean there are many more words (or concepts) that actually belong to one group or another

You appear to be unaware that gays want to change the legal definition of marriage.

If the majority of people agree with the legal definition of marriage being changed, then so be it.

However, voters in 31 states have rejected that. In all 31 states where voters have forced through a referendum, gay marriage has lost the vote.

Gay marriage thrown out by all 31 U.S. states where it has been put to vote

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis

The word (marriage) has not been hijacked - the word, along with it's meaning - doesn't belong to anyone

If it does, then that must mean there are many more words (or concepts) that actually belong to one group or another

You appear to be unaware that gays want to change the legal definition of marriage.

If the majority of people agree with the legal definition of marriage being changed, then so be it.

However, voters in 31 states have rejected that. In all 31 states where voters have forced through a referendum, gay marriage has lost the vote.

Gay marriage thrown out by all 31 U.S. states where it has been put to vote

edit on 23-5-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

yet when the SCOTUS says JUMP, the states have no choice but to say "how high?"

Originally posted by kaylaluv
Let's have civil union licenses for everyone, and marriage ceremonies for those that want it.

I don't think we can do that - - because that's like going backward.

The term Marriage is already being used globally by countries that have legalized Marriage for everyone.

I just don't think you can take away something that already is accepted around the world.

It is only the legal definition of marriage because being gay was so taboo and "bad" the world wanted to hide it away...and still does. The truth is marriage means marriage. Just becase the legal definiton might read "a joining of two people", doesn't mean a hetero couples marriage would be invalid. People are simply insecure.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

I think you meant to say - naive -.

Look it up.

I still have my eye on my 31 states. Let just see if anything happens.

BTW, i have the people of Florida on my side.

still doesn't matter if the SCOTUS says "do it"

Maybe the SCOTUS could issue Marriage Licenses right there in Washington DC?

Hang on to your dreams.

Life is lived most fully in the imagination.

reply to post by Annee


Excellent point Annee. Answer me this if you know:

If gay marriage is made legal vs. having the government no longer perform marriages and just issue contracts.

How will legal gay marriage affect churches, synagogues, mosques, temples etc.?

Would they be forced to perform and recognize these marriages since they would now be legal? Would there be other ramifications for religious liberty?

I am not religious, but I do care about maintaining liberty for all. Therefore, I would like to see this addressed in the way that would best preserve liberty for as many citizens of this nation as is possible.

I would love to see this aspect of this issue discussed in a civil way. How do we preserve both liberty and freedom of religion?