Five reasons why gay marriage is a basic, conservative value

reply to post by something wicked


I think Donkey was just pinning it all on the biggest religious group in the United States. Just like you pointed out almost all religions aren't very friendly to gays in regards to the idea of gay marriage and that is exactly why I am TOTALLY against religions having anything to do with politics. Seperation of Church and State is a very good thing, we just need to push for it to be a total seperation of church and state is all.

reply to post by ollncasino


If you ask me, with divorce rate at the point its at, and infidelity abundant- I think the original concept of marriage was forgotten along time ago. I know more people who are divorced than married. But again- you didn't ask me.
Just saying, if people care so much about "marriage" then maybe they should practice what they preach and provide an example of what the "perfect marriage" is, because nowadays highschool relationships last longer than marriages.

Originally posted by something wicked

Why are you making this a Christian issue? What faiths allow same sex marriage? That has nothing - nothing to do with the state granting a marriage license to a same sex couple. The fact that a church of whatever faith may not recognise it is neither here nor there.

In America the fundamental Christians are very vocally leading the charge against Gay Equality.

We know there are many good people - who are also Christian supporting Gay Equality.

But where are the Christian leaders? Yes there are some willing to stand up for Gay Equality - but very few.

Where are the Christian leaders condemning these last 2 preachers from NC? One who says to beat up your kids - the other imprison gays and let them die.

The silence is deafening.

Originally posted by tribaltrip

Just saying, if people care so much about "marriage" then maybe they should practice what they preach and provide an example of what the "perfect marriage" is, because nowadays highschool relationships last longer than marriages.

The leaders of NOM (National Organization of Marriage) were asked if they did anything to promote healthy hetero marriage and reasons for divorce - - - as Christian divorce is more then 50%.

NO. The sole purpose of this group - - the exact reason it was created - - is to stop Gay Marriage.

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BS!

I've not read every post here, but read quite a lot.

I am gay myself, and 26. Personally, I do not care for marriage or civil partnerships - to be honest, neither concept does not really appeal or interest me. Marriages/Civil partnerships fail all the time, and so to me, both are pretty pointless anyway, minus any financial/security aspects. I really would not feel the need to be bound by written documents and so on to say "Hey look, these 2 are together". I find marriage and religion (man made institutes) to be unnatural - more so than me being a gay person. Gay people are physical humans, born on a regular basis and have been so a long long time. That is more natural than a document saying I am married. Being gay is also more natural than a majority of the supernatural religious stories we hear about.

To hear religious people say I am wrong and unnatural, when they believe in a varierty of stories is beyond me and VERY rude. Obviously, the creation of a child is naturally between and a man and a woman, thats how the organs go. But that is where it stops. No one really says people have to be paired for life, and no one really says love can only be between a man and woman (and don't recite bible quotes because it is man made). Try respecting humans on earth despite their differences and not a text book. For the record, I don't have anything against religion and what Gods etc they believe in. However when people use religion to condem me, I will not keep quiet about it. Even myself, who isn't religious, sometimes speaks to "something above" (possibly just the "sentinents of the universe" itself). Its something personal to me, and not within any organised religion.

I do not sleep around and in all honesty, sex is not a big or important deal to me. Being gay for me is an emotional thing, so that scratches any comments about "being homosexual is about sex"...Nah, because sex to me isn't important and I could live with someone (not married) without it. I simply feel a closer and deeper bond with males, and find security in them a lot more than I could a woman. I am not really a protector, and more of someone that needs protecting, if I am honest. It is very hard to describe this, especially to a group of strangers. I could go in to a great many details of my thoughts, feelings, but since this is an introduction in a sense, I will not.

I do find it very rude and close minded how people talk about gay people as if they are mute, blind, and simply experiments and debate over them.

No one owns the word marriage, and it has always been "between man and a woman", because being openly gay is something that actually hasn't been "accepted" long. So of course the definition of it has always been between man and woman. However, the word belongs to no one. You can marry an egg and a salad to equate an "egg salad". Like it or not, if 2 men or 2 women take vows to be together - they are MARRYING - they are joining forces.

Also, I find the comments such as "well whats to stop people marrying a dog" - Really? So, lets say 2 men or women can "marry" - youre going to go out and date a Giraffe and propose marriage, are you?

Like I say, not interested myself, but stop being dumb people.

reply to post by LightInside


Thanks for the perspective from your side of it. Also thank you for the calmness and intelligence with which you write. It gives me great hope for the 20-something generation!

The government should feel about marriage
how the government feels about going to church to begin with.

When can the government tell a segment of a population they aren't allowed to be part of a particular religion?


Since they decided to stick their fingers inside of religion, then they must be equal about it...if a gay person says they want to do a religious ceremony, the government cannot deny them (freedom of religion


Majority does not make the laws for the minority..this is not a democracy..no surpression of minority because the majority doesn't mind. What a horrible prescidence.
There is no debate here. Freedom of religion. Constitutional right.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by freakjive
1. Gay marriage promotes personal responsibility.

2. Gay marriage promotes family values.

3. Gay marriage promotes commitment and stability.

4. Gay marriage promotes freedom.

5. Gay marriage is an example of limited governmental powers.

Gays have no right to hijack the word 'marriage' and force the majority to consider a union between two men to be the same, in a very legal sense, as a union between a man and a women.

Gay marriage thrown out by all 31 U.S. states where it has been put to vote

The majority of people believe that marriage means a legal union between a man and women, not between two men.

edit on 22-5-2012 by ollncasino because: formatting

We only need one reason.

Thousands of years of tradition. Bristol Palin is correct.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by freakjive
1. Gay marriage promotes personal responsibility.

2. Gay marriage promotes family values.

3. Gay marriage promotes commitment and stability.

4. Gay marriage promotes freedom.

5. Gay marriage is an example of limited governmental powers.

Gays have no right to hijack the word 'marriage' and force the majority to consider a union between two men to be the same, in a very legal sense, as a union between a man and a women.

Gay marriage thrown out by all 31 U.S. states where it has been put to vote

The majority of people believe that marriage means a legal union between a man and women, not between two men.

We only need one reason.

Thousands of years of tradition. Bristol Palin is correct.

The Constitution will take care of One Reason very soon.

Separation of Church and State - - and Equal Rights on a Federal level.

Blah another thread about this topic so let's break it down to its 2 basic forms:

Conservative marriage: 2 opposite sexes get married in a blessed holy union by a church that is not about money or anything else but being with their mate for the rest of their lives.

Liberal gay marriage: Same sex getting married in a blessed holy union by Government for money,taxes, and parental rights and still get the same tax benefits and rights as straights do.

No one is saying same sex can't knock boots til their hearts content the issue is traditional marriage has always been between 2 opposite sex's.

This subject is loathsome nay tiresome people are tired of hearing about what goes on in your bedroom after all if it's no one else's business then stop making it ours.

No one really gives a crap considering all the whining is about is money.

Originally posted by neo96
Blah another thread about this topic so let's break it down to its 2 basic forms:

Conservative marriage: 2 opposite sexes get married in a blessed holy union by a church that is not about money or anything else but being with their mate for the rest of their lives.

Liberal gay marriage: Same sex getting married in a blessed holy union by Government for money,taxes, and parental rights and still get the same tax benefits and rights as straights do.

No one is saying same sex can't knock boots til their hearts content the issue is traditional marriage has always been between 2 opposite sex's.

This subject is loathsome nay tiresome people are tired of hearing about what goes on in your bedroom after all if it's no one else's business then stop making it ours.

No one really gives a crap considering all the whining is about is money.

edit on 23-5-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

Florida (very important state) has switched and turn to Romney over the gay

marriage position by Obama. Romney is way ahead.

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North Carolina has also said - goodbye - to Obama.

Originally posted by neo96


No one is saying same sex can't knock boots til their hearts content the issue is traditional marriage has always been between 2 opposite sex's.

Actually, if you've been reading, no, it hasn't always been between two people of the opposite sex at all.

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Originally posted by something wicked
Why are you making this a Christian issue?

Christians are the largest (and maybe only?) group to so vociferously oppose marriage equality, pressuring the lawmakers to keep it illegal. If the Christians got out of the way, gay marriage would be legal in all 50 states.

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Actually people need to leave their damn bedrooms in their homes.

Second.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012



Florida (very important state) has switched and turn to Romney over the gay

marriage position by Obama. Romney is way ahead.

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North Carolina has also said - goodbye - to Obama.

edit on 23-5-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)

Nah, Florida will have sank into the Ocean by election time due to a big earthquake, so it doens't really matter much

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by PurpleChiten

 

Actually people need to leave their damn bedrooms in their homes.

Second.

I'm sure they would if they were allowed to have a nice legally married home life

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by something wicked
Why are you making this a Christian issue?

Christians are the largest (and maybe only?) group to so vociferously oppose marriage equality, pressuring the lawmakers to keep it illegal. If the Christians got out of the way, gay marriage would be legal in all 50 states.

Most definitely agreed... the cultish religious right Christians that is. There are some wonderful Christians who aren't in that group

Originally posted by freakjive
This should be an interesting discussion.

“As people [Republicans] who promote personal responsibility, family values, commitment and stability, and emphasize freedom and limited government we have to recognize that freedom means freedom for everyone. This includes the freedom to decide how you live and to enter into relationships of your choosing, the freedom to live without excessive interference of the regulatory force of government.”

While Rick Santorum prods Mitt Romney, the presumed GOP presidential candidate, to go bold and strike out against gay marriage, Romney is tepidly saying such things as marriage should be “between one man and one woman.” Not a ringing indictment of gay marriage but just enough to set the hearts aflutter of social conservatives and evangelicals. For some Republicans, however, it may be too much.

One admittedly gay donor, Bill White, who is the chairman and CEO of the New York consulting firm Constellations Group, had given $2,500 to the Romney campaign and now he wants his money back. White sent a letter to the Romney campaign, saying, "I feel that I no longer wish to support your presidential campaign and ask that you please return the maximum contribution that I gave to you last year. You have chosen to be on the wrong side of history and I do not support your run for president any longer.”

1. Gay marriage promotes personal responsibility.

2. Gay marriage promotes family values.

3. Gay marriage promotes commitment and stability.

4. Gay marriage promotes freedom.

5. Gay marriage is an example of limited governmental powers.

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Gay marriage promotes nothing. Neither does straight marriage. Marriage is a personal thing. Governments shouldn't interfere with it. Nor should people poke their noses in other's business. If only everybody got the point

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
We only need one reason.

Thousands of years of tradition. Bristol Palin is correct.

Same can be said for slavery.

Just because something has been done for a long time, doesn't mean it is right.