Evolution happens. That's a fact.

THIS video that I ripped and uploaded to my youtube page basically sums up my view...
PLEASE watch. Shed's light on all 6 forms of "evolution".

reply to post by CALGARIAN


I'll watch it tomorrow, right now I need to sleep.

Originally posted by SpearMint

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

Very thoroughly explained and referenced. Much more so than the OP. Unfortunately, you have a cross as your avatar, so the OP will simply disregard your post as religious zealotry. Pity he's so ignorant.

edit on 23-5-2012 by AwakeinNM because: (no reason given)

Ignorant? I'm probably one of the most open minded people in this thread, not once have I accused someone of being wrong without evidence to back it up.

"open-minded" does not mean "well-informed".

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by 1littlewolf

 

Tell me, is it fun twisting the words of others in order to make yourself look like an idiot or are you just a really bad troll?

In noway did I twist your words Mon. I merely deduced that you must be saying something along side of what you originally said.

For me that's what I got from it.

Just like you deduced that Spearmint said that birds are direct descendants of Triceratops......?

This is the type of deduction I would expect from my 3 year old daughter, not from some supposed ‘Gold Content Contributor’. As I’m fairly sure you are of adult age then it is fairly clear that you are either severely lacking in your mental capacities or you are only here to try and antagonize the OP and anyone else who agrees with the points that he/she is trying to make. If the latter is true then the method you are using is to firstly pick some fairly insignificant detail from a response and run with it making up your own completely illogical conclusions.

This is also known as 'twisting words'

For me that's what I got from it.

Look I have heard many many arguments for the support of the evolutionary "theory".

All this is very interesting but truly doesn't prove that evolution took place, I'm sorry it simply doesn't. Using mutations in a species and comparing them to somehow prove the entire change of one species to another over time is completely different and not appropriate.

In order for evolution to have validity, it has to settle the question of "precision" coming from "chaos" or "nothing" and all of this must happen by mere chance.

Show me the evidence of this and I will indeed believe in evolution.

Originally posted by SpearMint
reply to post by CALGARIAN

 

I'll watch it tomorrow, right now I need to sleep.

Its only 5 minutes! + it'll give you something to think about while you rest!

And they say that faith is a religious thing.
The belief in evolution is based on faith.

Everything is changing, moving and morphing constantly, nothing ever stays the same. But Darwins 'theory' is no more than a theory.

This right here and right now is actual. Everything else is just a maybe.

Very good explanation of evolution.

Another recent example, extremely recent in fact, is in elephants. They are evolving to become tuskless, which is terrible. Generally speaking, an elephant relies on its tusks for many things in its life: digging for water, combating predators/enemies, etc. Well, since humans started poaching elephants for the ivory of their tusks, elephants have started producing more tuskless individuals. Obviously they didn't consciously decide to become tuskless, so how did this happen?

Well, certain elephants have a mutation that causes them to be be born with no tusks. Normally, these elephants are far worse off than their tusked counterparts, and therefore do not go on to mate as often, either due to perishing because of the inability to fend off a predator or because the females or males do not want to mate with them. However, since humans have been poaching the normal, tusked elephants out of existence, the tuskless elephants have been left alone to reproduce, creating a progressively greater chance for their offspring to be born tuskless as well, increasing with each generation of tuskless reproduction. That is evolution in action.

reply to post by 1littlewolf

For me that's what I got from it.

I can see exactly why you would deduce such a thing. Doesn't change what I've already told you.

Frankly what you think is irrelevant.

OP what you describe is adaption, something which was designed to allow humans to survive.

The only REAL evidence of evolution is finding the "Missing Link". Consider this, from all the millions of fossils found NOT 1 fossil showed any type of transitional phase all fossils points to COMPLETE species and what I mean by transitional phase is abnormalities in the skeletal structure ect ect.

Natural Selection wouldn't work either unless all species have evolved at the same time which isn't the case either, most if not all transitional phases would render the creature even more vulnerable to predators than it's previous form thus making that mutation harmful which makes ALL THE TRANSITIONS HARMFUL.

Mutations and transitions is a very SLOOOOW process mathematically it would take TRILLIONS of years if not more to get to the phases all current species living today are. Look at all the species today look how marvelous our biological systems are... to say that random mathematical numbers occurred and coincidentally mutated a simple cell to transform and evolved millions of not more intelligently structured creatures? Does that make sense to you? Seriously come on!

Mathematically speaking it's VERY VERY UNLIKELY to happened as claimed it seems it's more plausible that we were designed than randomly created. To say even think that random mutations could a occur is like a computer programmer creates a very simple function that iterates through numbers random selecting VERY LARGE INFINTE NUMBER and VERY VERY SMALL INFINITE NUMBERS thus creating Human body with working biological system?? That doesn't seem feasible.

You have to learn to reason with yourself... evolution is interpretation of data that was presented, that data WAS NEVER PROOF of any kind for evolution it was interpreted to be that way, you people need to understand...

evolution is just another name for adaptation. no matter who you are, you can't deny everything has to adapt. ever wondered why everything in nature is so perfect? ex. cheetahs have the perfect fur pattern to blend in with their habitat, as well as lions, polar bears, wolves, squirrels..just about everything. it happened over time. if its always cold where i live, eventually over time my offspring's offspring would have developed thicker skin or fur or gotten used to the cold. its natural. i hope my two cents made sense lol.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
And they say that faith is a religious thing.

It is.

The belief in evolution is based on faith.

No its not. No one has a "belief" in evolution. Evidence of it
has been given time and time again yet people say "that doesn't
prove anything" so it doesn't clash with their religious beliefs.
It has nothing to do with faith.

reply to post by Vandettas


Have you seen the evidence directly, with your own eyes?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by 1littlewolf

 

For me that's what I got from it.

I can see exactly why you would deduce such a thing.

Yeah it is kinda obvious your simply here to troll this thread. Hey don't worry though man I'm sure most of us have become quite obnoxious at some time or another when confronted with a topic we clearly know nothing about.

Doesn't change what I've already told you.

Which doesn't really matter I guess seeing that you haven't actually said anything worthwhile

Frankly what you think is irrelevant.

See that's where your wrong, as the only person that really matters when it comes to judging the relevancy of what I think is me. And imho everything I think is the bee's knees.... (tempered of course with intelligent input from others)

reply to post by 1littlewolf


I'm sorry this is way off topic, but I think it's funny that you're arguing with someone who also has an Egyptian pharaoh motif avatar.

reply to post by 1littlewolf

See that's where your wrong, as the only person that really matters when it comes to judging the relevancy of what I think is me. And imho everything I think is the bee's knees.... (tempered of course with intelligent input from others)

I was refering to the thread my good man. i would never expect you to agree it was irrelevent to you. I mean you're making it completely obvious you think it's all about you.

By the way I'm bored witrh this whinning. Can you get back on topic or cease addressing me ? Please.

reply to post by Vandettas


You have in faith in group of men that interpeted data a certain way, I can tell you haven't delve deep enough to understand that data is just data, it's up to whom ever makes of it. You have belief that life was created coincidentally by random selected infinit numbers. Evolution is builts off assumptions and on top of more assumptions. Evolution has a very weak foundatation that can be easily picked apart and when you do the whole theory crumbles down.

That is YOUR FAITH, YOU ARE A RELIGOUS PERSON and you can deny it all you want but the real facts are that there no facts for evolution just assumptions.... Until they can find the missing link and more hard logical assound evidence then Evolution is just a religion

reply to post by samaka


Denisova hominin
H. antecessor
H. cepranensis
H. erectus
H. ergaster
H. floresiensis
H. gautengensis
H. georgicus
H. habilis
H. heidelbergensis
H. neanderthalensis
H. rhodesiensis
H. rudolfensis
H. sapiens idaltu
H. sapiens sapiens (modern humans)


Those are all intermediates in the path of evolution for humans. Which one was the missing link required?

Originally posted by SpearMint

Originally posted by votan
reply to post by SpearMint

 

adaptation is evolution?? what??

Hereditary adaptation is evolution. But no, adaptation is not the same as evolution.

No...you are incorrect. In the last 10-15 years it has been illustrated time and again how an organisms genetic code CHANGES ITSELF in transcription in relation to environmental factors. In short, the cells of your body "evolve" to accomodate these new conditions at the genetic level to the best of their ability.

For example, let's say an organism that was born and lived the first 15% of it's lifespan at sea level was suddenly changed to a high altitude environment for the next 50% of it's lifespan. The "adaptations" that it will undergo to process oxygen more efficiently in the rarified atmosphere typically occur at the GENETIC level and first express themselves on the cellular level...then build up to the level compound level of organs and whatnot.

In short...macro-evolution in process.

reply to post by samaka


Religious faith is belief without evidence.

Acceptance of biological evolution is not faith, nor is it a belief, because there IS evidence.

Also, to throw it out there in case there are any of these types of people (and I know there will be) Do not use the 'it's only a theory' as an argument against evolution.