What are your favorite 9/11 debunking tactics?

reply to post by maxella1


Oh, one thing your squibs don't explain is how the core remained standing after the collapse. If those squibs were from demolitions severing columns, then why weren't they severed?

Originally posted by Varemia
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I really don't see how explosives down the tower would even help with the collapse. Internal collapse as an explanation for the ejections makes more sense.

I believe the firefighters who were there, and the physics of weight, damage, and fire. You believe conspiracy theorist videos and websites. That's your call, but it's not a crime to disbelieve people who are clearly lacking somewhere in the mental faculties.

Hell, I find it amusing that you feel better rejecting respected physicists, engineers, and pilots than you do conspiracy theorists. I guess everyone but you is in on it, eh?

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Originally posted by maxella1
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It's really impressive the way you gain credibility among the other conspiracy believers here, yet didn't even reference anything I was replying with. Bravo. Master manipulator here.

Originally posted by Varemia
I believe the firefighters who were there, and the physics of weight, damage, and fire. You believe conspiracy theorist videos and websites.

That is hilarious.

So let's talk about the physics shall we?

First please explain, in your own words so we know you understand what you are claiming, how sagging trusses can put a pulling force on the columns.

Secondly please explain how the connections, that didn't fail during the planes impacts and during the pulling columns phase, simply failed and offered no resistance to falling floors.

Then please explain the contradictions in the connections being a so called 'weak point', that allowed the 'pancaking' and the pulling in of columns.

The single-bolt connections in the framework of the World Trade Center popped and fell apart during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, causing the floors to collapse on top of each other, according to a new study.

The analysis, conducted by a team of researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, concludes the bolts did not properly secure the Twin Towers' steel floor trusses, The New York Post reported Sunday.

Bolts Contributed To WTC Collapse

So were the bolts a weak point? Obviously not if you believe the sagging trusses pulled in the columns hypothesis, which you all obvioulsy do. So the bolts were not a weak point, what does that do to the rest of your hypothesis? Without the weak bolts you now have to find another excuse for the lack of resistance. I look forward to your "physics", thanks.

Of course they were not weak points. Again they lied...

Originally posted by Insolubrious
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Ha, that's just old news

(Rule 10. Associate opponent charges with old news.)


That's just sweet, innocent lil' air puffs coming out those special yet troublesome corridors that only exist on a handful of unique floors as the building compresses itself under it's own weight.

(Rule 13. Alice in Wonderland Logic.)

edit on 23-5-2012 by Insolubrious because: (no reason given)

It's aL-Qaeda air puffs and jet fuel we're talking about..you know.. much stronger than regular puffs and jet fuel.

Originally posted by Varemia
It's really impressive the way you gain credibility among the other conspiracy believers here, yet didn't even reference anything I was replying with. Bravo. Master manipulator here.

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Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by maxella1
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It's really impressive the way you gain credibility among the other conspiracy believers here, yet didn't even reference anything I was replying with. Bravo. Master manipulator here.

Reference what? that you don't think explosives can destroy buildings?

You give me no choice but to make fun of you.

Originally posted by maxella1

Originally posted by Varemia

Originally posted by maxella1
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It's really impressive the way you gain credibility among the other conspiracy believers here, yet didn't even reference anything I was replying with. Bravo. Master manipulator here.

Reference what? that you don't think explosives can destroy buildings?

You give me no choice but to make fun of you.

You know I didn't say that. You're just being a jerk now.

Originally posted by ANOK
First please explain, in your own words so we know you understand what you are claiming, how sagging trusses can put a pulling force on the columns.

First off, I don't claim this. You're a liar.

Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by Alfie1

 

I don't think G O D was dismissing anything but was pointing out other information, as I have done, but that is for him to argue.

Just like I and other people with functioning brain cells point out other information.

Can I take it then that you accept the calls from 9/11 planes as genuine ?

I couldn’t care less about the calls. They do not change the fact that the governments 9/11 conspiracy theory is a lie.

You know, when I look into something like the phone calls from the planes, and conclude that they were obviously genuine, I don't go all ambivalent and disinterested as you purport to do.

You did say " I never had a problem with any phone calls " and now you say " I couldn't care less about the calls ". So you are saying you don't argue with the evidence but you are not really interested in eyewitness confirmation of hi-jackings if it interferes with your government conspiracy ?

Originally posted by Varemia
reply to post by maxella1

 

I really don't see how explosives down the tower would even help with the collapse. Internal collapse as an explanation for the ejections makes more sense.

I believe the firefighters who were there, and the physics of weight, damage, and fire. You believe conspiracy theorist videos and websites. That's your call, but it's not a crime to disbelieve people who are clearly lacking somewhere in the mental faculties.

Hell, I find it amusing that you feel better rejecting respected physicists, engineers, and pilots than you do conspiracy theorists. I guess everyone but you is in on it, eh?

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You know, when I look into something like the phone calls from the planes, and conclude that they were obviously genuine, I don't go all ambivalent and disinterested as you purport to do. You did say " I never had a problem with any phone calls " and now you say " I couldn't care less about the calls ". So you are saying you don't argue with the evidence but you are not really interested in eyewitness confirmation of hi-jackings if it interferes with your government conspiracy ?

Look, I never had and still don't have a problem with the phone calls, they are irrelevant. I think the planes were real with real people in them. I don't know or care if the planes had functional phones or if cell phones work up in the air.

Why are you bringing up the phone calls again? One way or the other, phone calls cannot prove or disprove anything. Lets talk about real issues like how was it allowed to happen with all the Intel and resources our government had and all the warnings that were given to the government but ignored. Or lets talk about what are they covering up, why is it that nobody was held accountable for their screw ups which resulted in 9/11?

Why did the White House stonewalled the investigation into 9/11? Why are we supposed to accept the Commissions conclusion of “failure of imagination” when so many people were killed.

Do you see where I’m going with this ?

If we can answer these questions I think we'll uncover everything else that don't make any sense right now. But if we don't get the answers, these same people who screwed up prior to and on 9/11 will screw up again. Don't you understand how important it is to get to the source of the problem and not debating about phone call from airplanes?

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I think the truth has pretty clearly risen already. Trutherism is dead in the water and going nowhere.

Originally posted by Alfie1
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I think the truth has pretty clearly risen already. Trutherism is dead in the water and going nowhere.

If that were true we would not even be having this disussion.

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Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by Alfie1

 

You know, when I look into something like the phone calls from the planes, and conclude that they were obviously genuine, I don't go all ambivalent and disinterested as you purport to do. You did say " I never had a problem with any phone calls " and now you say " I couldn't care less about the calls ". So you are saying you don't argue with the evidence but you are not really interested in eyewitness confirmation of hi-jackings if it interferes with your government conspiracy ?

Look, I never had and still don't have a problem with the phone calls, they are irrelevant. I think the planes were real with real people in them. I don't know or care if the planes had functional phones or if cell phones work up in the air.

Why are you bringing up the phone calls again? One way or the other, phone calls cannot prove or disprove anything. Lets talk about real issues like how was it allowed to happen with all the Intel and resources our government had and all the warnings that were given to the government but ignored. Or lets talk about what are they covering up, why is it that nobody was held accountable for their screw ups which resulted in 9/11?

Why did the White House stonewalled the investigation into 9/11? Why are we supposed to accept the Commissions conclusion of “failure of imagination” when so many people were killed.

Do you see where I’m going with this ?

If we can answer these questions I think we'll uncover everything else that don't make any sense right now. But if we don't get the answers, these same people who screwed up prior to and on 9/11 will screw up again. Don't you understand how important it is to get to the source of the problem and not debating about phone call from airplanes?

The plane phone calls are far from irrelevant because they are direct eyewitness testimony to the the hi-jackings. It sounds as though you accept there were hi-jackings but you don't have to look far around here to see denial of planes, passengers, hi-jackers , even that the Towers were populated.

However, if your beef is with screw ups and failures of intelligence then I can see common ground. Beyond that I can see cause for concern in that the CIA did not tell the FBI, for a long time, that they knew two men with Al Qaeda connections were in the US. These two men subsequently ended up on AA 77.

Originally posted by Alfie1
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I think the truth has pretty clearly risen already. Trutherism is dead in the water and going nowhere.

The water is going nowhere because of people like you. You are satisfied with the” failure of imagination” explanation. And you defend that theory day in and day out, as long as it takes and no matter what is going on around you. If you would unplug from Fox news and CNN, and start believing your own eyes instead of the clowns at NIST and the Commission, and Popular Mechanics. Just look at the events of that day and the cover up since then. It will become clear that there is a huge problem. And once you see that, it will be impossible to un-see the reality. No matter how long GoodolDave and Hooper and the rest of the “debunkers” try to defend the fairy tail that we were told and you are defending right now, reality will remain a reality. People are waking up at least don't lie to yourself about that.

Originally posted by Alfie1
I think the truth has pretty clearly risen already. Trutherism is dead in the water and going nowhere.

Yes, the truth has risen. Once you realize what the truth is, you are left surprised and depressed about the fact the almost no one needs it and you can do nothing with it.

The whole meaning of the "official" truth movement is leading nowhere, and it was achieved with the great success.

Originally posted by maxella1

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by secgovwiki

 

I think the truth has pretty clearly risen already. Trutherism is dead in the water and going nowhere.

The water is going nowhere because of people like you. You are satisfied with the” failure of imagination” explanation. And you defend that theory day in and day out, as long as it takes and no matter what is going on around you. If you would unplug from Fox news and CNN, and start believing your own eyes instead of the clowns at NIST and the Commission, and Popular Mechanics. Just look at the events of that day and the cover up since then. It will become clear that there is a huge problem. And once you see that, it will be impossible to un-see the reality. No matter how long GoodolDave and Hooper and the rest of the “debunkers” try to defend the fairy tail that we were told and you are defending right now, reality will remain a reality. People are waking up at least don't lie to yourself about that.

No, it's not going nowhere because of debunkers but because of the inherent stupidity of virtually all conspiracy theories and the total lack of evidence to support them, even after more than a decade.

The conspiracy theories have done the admin a favour by concentrating on the ludicrous and thereby providing a cover for the incompetent and maybe more.

People aren't waking up to conspiracy theories, you are kidding yourself. Surely it is evident even on here tjhat there is sagging interest, nothing new, just rehash and more and more improbable junk.

reply to post by ANOK


It was the viscoelastic damners that failed finally. There is no need to go into a large speech. Once the weight is not distributed evenly, it will start to sag toward to point of least resistance. This is why they 'toppled' over and did not fall straight down. Physics were in full effect that day folks.

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The plane phone calls are far from irrelevant because they are direct eyewitness testimony to the the hi-jackings. It sounds as though you accept there were hi-jackings but you don't have to look far around here to see denial of planes, passengers, hi-jackers , even that the Towers were populated.

Well then continue debunking them and the space lasers, what can I say.

However, if your beef is with screw ups and failures of intelligence then I can see common ground. Beyond that I can see cause for concern in that the CIA did not tell the FBI, for a long time, that they knew two men with Al Qaeda connections were in the US. These two men subsequently ended up on AA 77.

See that's just another tactic of pointing fingers at each other and hiding behind the incompetence.

I realize that this problem contributed to the whole cluster F***. But you need to realize that the CIA and the FBI independently were on these guys. The FBI and the CIA were aware of the threat from these terrorists but did nothing about it. Even if it was 100 % incompetence and no criminal involvement what soever, how come they got away with it without being identified and dealt with just like a bus driver who fell asleep behind the wheel and killed people would be dealt with? Doesn’t that r a red flag in your mind? Who and why is protecting them?