There Are LOADS Of Jobs Out There, But NONE Of Them Pay Living Wages!

People look at the jobless and feel uncomfortable. They have two choices: A) Sympathizing with them or B) blaming them. Guess which is easier? That's right. Because if you admitted "A" you might have to face the uncomfortable truth that it might be you next. Or that maybe your own dreams are more distant than you think. Or that maybe it won't "all work out for the best in the end," no matter how hard you try.

Makes me a little sick, frankly speaking. Denial and cognative dissonance avoidance is strong here.

Originally posted by randomname
having a job and making money are 2 completely different things.

job = getting paid to make other people money.

making money = paying people to make you money or doing it yourself.

example

you: i can move that rock for you for $20.
guy: sure, for $15 you got a deal.
you: hey schmuck, i'll give you $3 to move that rock.
schmuck: that'll take all day but i need the money.

6 hrs later.

schmuck: i'm all done.

you: o.k. guy, i moved your rock.
guy : here's your money.

schmuck: finally pay day.
you: good job schmuck. minus taxes, insurance, liability and unemployment your pay comes to
$1.25. see you tomorrow.

edit on 20-5-2012 by randomname because: (no reason given)

Sounds like a temp agency

Originally posted by Partygirl
Makes me a little sick, frankly speaking. Denial and cognative dissonance avoidance is strong here.

You're not the only one that has the taste of vomit in the back of their throat. theres actually people out there that think the unemployment figures given by fox/cnn are based on facts.

So what is a living wage to you? Anything less that the government will give you for sitting on your backside? It is a shame that most jobs today do not pay what they did years ago, but that is the cost of Globalism... All the good jobs have gone overseas. Are you driving an American car?

reply to post by Twilly


My cost of surviving is like 1500 a month

750 for rent (apt costs 1500 but i share it with someone)
160 for utilities
104 for unlimited metrocard
~300 for food (if i only spend 10$ a day)
50$ for gym membership
180 for cigarettes (15 packs a month)

stuff sure is expensive here in nyc

"I wont work for beggars pay like wise golden fools
But I would slave to learn a way to sink their ship of fools"

Robert Hunter

I choose poverty over enslavement in a system I can not believe in
I am self employed and take orders from non
Hell I knew when I was 5 that the system was corrupt
I am not waiting for governments or self appointed demi gods to sort my life out
I am not playing being a victim to petty tyrants
To hell with working for the man

reply to post by Goldcurrent

I bet all of you jobless were the same ones who shopped at Wal-Mart, drive Toyotas or Hondas, and buy imported name brands.

glad you brought that up!

I used to shop only the finest stores ,,the stuff made in India can be a little better quality than Walmart China stuff.

used to drink real American Made Beer from the west coast Micro Brewery's

used to eat good well aged American Beef, quality cuts

Used to drive a Ford Powerstroke
then bought a Chevy Hi-Cube Van

I built homes in America for America
I was an American Contractor

now I have no income cannot get a job because I was self employed, I guess they figure I am a liability to their unemployment system and workers comp system because I have not been in anybodies system for years.

now because I have to eat I swallowed my pride and got a food stamp card ,I have to shop at walmart because its the best value.

I still drive a Chevy, its an Astro, something I will move into some day...

Do me a favor. Drop the Holier than though attitude,
you're not immune to what happened to me
It's just a matter of time
you will see


reply to post by artistpoet

I am self employed and take orders from non

you are slave to the harshest employer of all, the customer

yeah, everybody has a real smart answer, funny it dont work that way on this one

just to introduce a bit of levity to this thread because these threads are kind of a bummer and a reality to some or close too for others.

TOUGH TO ARGUE WITH THIS ONE:

Indian Chief 'Two Eagles' was asked by a white government official, 'You have observed the white man for 90 years. You've seen his wars and his technological advances. You've seen his progress, and the damage he's done.'

The Chief nodded in agreement.

The official continued, 'Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?'

The Chief stared at the government official for over a minute and then calmly replied. 'When white man find land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water. Women did all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex.'

Then the chief leaned back and smiled. 'Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that.'

the hardest working family from the west indies ,this in living colour skit speaks to the guy that has 5 jobs what a lazy bastard lol...........I had a hard time embedding this video I just couldn't get it to work

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by rebellender


you are slave to the harshest employer of all, the customer

yeah, everybody has a real smart answer, funny it dont work that way on this one

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You sound bitter - I am not being smart intentionally
I love what I do and put my all into it - My customers are those who buy what I love to do
Because they see something they like in my work which is my own expression
I guess I am fortunate that I require little money to be happy and am happy to be able to do what I love
Heck I do it for free also
Sorry things have not worked out for you as you may have wanted

reply to post by celticdog


It's chock full of native american stereotypes.

We don't talk like that.

reply to post by v1rtu0s0


For now people have what little jobs to survive that barely pay to survive. This will continue for a time until the last vestiges break down in society. Soon, that will be undone and we will find ourselves surviving by any means possible. This is merely the beginning, what is coming is far worse and we need to start thinking and planning to create communes in order to survive and subsist off grid.

That is the future. Not this solo existence where there is zero community and team work.

In my area, what i have noticed is that they are using foreign workers to keep the minimum wage down. I cannot blame these people, they just want a better life and will come in from say the Philipines to Canada for full time work after being sponsored.

However often it is a sham. Last year I went to work a small web design job. They paid me $18.50 per hour, when I used to be self employed at $90 an hour. They had tried to get someone for ages, but did not want to pay for example the $25 that this position would usually demand. So I quit, and then that gave them reason to bring a guy from Norway, who would work for $18.50 per hour, cause he wanted to get into Canada to live.

So these companies should only be allowed to do this if they cannot find someone after offering a reasonable wage for the position, but they get away with it.

So I can only assume it is the globalists using these techniques to keep local wages low, by making you compete against others who are even worse off in other countries, in order to save themselves money, instead of paying the right wage, for a local person.

Minimum wage is simple. Most countries have a statistics department. They know how much it costs for a single person to survive. Overtime is considered over 44 hours per week. That leaves 2228 hours per year.

So the minimum wage should just be set yearly by statistics amount, divided by 2228, and that should be the minimum wage set yearly. There is no magic to it, and let the chips fall where they may. Eventually it will all even out, however the minimum wage is just turning people into slave workers, and not keeping pace with cost of living.

I just cannot understand ever being in a position or living in a country where you would need to work more than 1 job.

In the UK I don't know anyone who earns minimum wage (which is about $9.50 an hour), literally every job will pay at least 50p better. Even my washed up dropout friends, they can just become warehouse workers and turn over £9.00 ($14.24) an hour, or laymen at a building site and bring home £2k a month.

I honestly pity you.

reply to post by Egyptia


I agree - Governments and Big Corporations will not sort things out - all they are doing is enslaving us
I have lived off the grid in a total sufficient way by choice with a group of like minded friends.
It does work and is fulfilling yet I chose to leave that life to take up my Art
Now I gladly trade my paints and brushes to grow my own food and get back into the mind set of self reliance
So many I find doing similar - it does not have to be dog eat dog world - community does work and can work independent of government interference.
The whole system is going down the pan by design we need to liberate ourselves from this sinking ship
It can work if there is the will to make it work - we can have it all if we want it enough

Or you can try to move. Reason many people went to America to begin with is better prospects. Maybe its time to see if Canada has better prospects for you. Heck it might even be the case, that you just need to switch state.

But yeah its true that all those minimum wage jobs do not pay living wages, well maybe if 2 people move toegether and dont have children.

Originally posted by Submarines
I personally jungle 5 jobs. This also allows my wife to be a stay at home mom.
We have money to put away, pay for all our bills, and health insurance. We eat well, AND have a social life.

You lazy a$$ people need to suck it up and go to work and quit complaining!

Is that what you expect for your children? Do you feel that makes a healthy society, when a person has to work 5 jobs? It would seem to me a balanced society is one where one person would work a reasonable amount, and have time to spend with kids and stuff as well. If you wish to work 5 jobs and buy extra things or a new car and stuff, I can see this for sure, but should it be mandatory.

Originally posted by fleabit
... If you are suggesting I live my entire life under my means just in case I lose my job, so then I will be within my means.. no. I am not going to live my life in fear.. always underachieving because of what MIGHT happen.

I think you are afraid.

Afraid you won't get to enjoy what you put aside perhaps or afraid you would lose it instead of use it, afraid it will be wasted and the "rainy day" will never arrive.

Hope you have a good umbrella.

I honestly just read your whole post, I'm mad at myself. Entitlement.
Life is hard! THAT'S OK THOUGH! KEEP IT MOVIN!

I was laid off from a job that paid 10.30 an hour due to outsourcing. I did not get unemployment like some of my ex-coworkers who are taking a "vacation" Yup, they're kicking it on your dime. I got another job. I'll soon be making a little over minimum wage due to my performance. I work almost full time.

My GF lost a slightly higher than minimum wage job she'd had for many years. Her company was sued by a petty cooperation for liable. That company won in its home state and was awarded the entire worth of the place my GF was working. Her shop had just suggested to their customers that the other company's products aren't quality. Anyone serious about the industry will tell you the same. My GF's shop was bought. She was later fired by someone who was behaving very immaturely, and even had a family member harass my GF afterwards. She went out and got a job making 10.00 and hour. She works with "the real world", which I don't understand, so she gets paid the big money.

To make up for the slight loss in income, I have stopped buying luxury items like craft supplies and board games. I've also cut back on eating. I've lost 25 pounds . We have the cheapest rent in town for a place that doesn't leak. We pool our money, and we get by. We are in no way suffering. We get fantastic clothes and other items for next to nothing at the second hand stores.

However, I'm not satisfied with the way jobs are run in the US. I'm a socialist who thinks government should compete for jobs. The efficiency, pay, and leisure time from such coordination and cooperation would be utopian. That's not going to happen. We are going to continue to be taken advantage of as long as it serves our masters. The only thing we can do to escape capitalism is drop out and form communes. I feel that if you're not for this, you have no right to complain. Capitalism will always be the mess you see before you.

I don't know how much this has been covered in these three job threads but being a single, young person is ENTIRELY different than someone who has a child. For those who think it's very easy to simply accept any job, please rocgnize that people with kids need insurance, likely need a 9-5 job that allows you to take days off, you need to make enough money to cover daycare and school expenses.... it's an entirely different issue than simply going to be a waiter or something.