There Are LOADS Of Jobs Out There, But People Don't Want To Work!

reply to post by poet1b


How about you formulating one original thought that has not been recycle from the days of Teddy Roosevelt go on

come up with one thing your not repeating from someone else?

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


Just how many corporate plumbers do you imagine there are? Just how many corporate electricians do you imagine there are? How many corporate landscapers do you imagine there are? The crafts the O.P. listed are the kind of skills that can be developed through on the job training. It does not require any institutionalized education to become a plumber, an electrician, or a landscaper. One need not even go to a trade skill in order to develop these skills. All it takes is willingness and effort.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


I'm nobodies victim. I am a fan of MA, aside from his belief in the free market, like yourself, but this thread is a big pile of steaming manure. There might be boom towns where this is true, but for the most part, nope, pure nonsense.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

 

Just how many corporate plumbers do you imagine there are? Just how many corporate electricians do you imagine there are? How many corporate landscapers do you imagine there are? The crafts the O.P. listed are the kind of skills that can be developed through on the job training. It does not require any institutionalized education to become a plumber, an electrician, or a landscaper. One need not even go to a trade skill in order to develop these skills. All it takes is willingness and effort.

Simply not true. The majority of plumbers and electricians must go through trade school.

If you disagree, Id gladly challenge you to go out and apply to get that "on the job training" as a plumber. You will absolutely NOT get hired.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

I'm nobodies victim. I am a fan of MA, aside from his belief in the free market, like yourself, but this thread is a big pile of steaming manure. There might be boom towns where this is true, but for the most part, nope, pure nonsense.

Forgive me Poet, I was not referring to you, and while I know you and I disagree sharply on economics and free markets, I also know you are an honorable man who has worked hard to make his way in this world. That does not, however, change the fact that there are plenty of victims who insist on remaining so.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


You're missing the point. NO NONE WANTS TO TRAIN!!!!!! Hell, I have talked to individual plumbers who operate their own business who will not hire someone without experience. Yet, they refuse to give anyone a chance to gain that experience.

That sounds familiar peddling the victim mentality.

"What I find is he's hypocritical with saying, you know, 'the 1% don't get us,' and he's a multi-millionaire now. 'You know, they're not paying their fair share of taxes, now I'm going over to George Clooney's house to get money from millionaires and billionaires,' and he collected $15 million," Jon Lovitz said on "Hannity" last night.

'Wall Street are the bad guys, but now I have to go to a dinner with Wall Street people to get money for my campaign," Lovitz said as if he were Obama.

www.realclearpolitics.com...

Seem a certain group in this country just love to play the victim card.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

I'm nobodies victim. I am a fan of MA, aside from his belief in the free market, like yourself, but this thread is a big pile of steaming manure. There might be boom towns where this is true, but for the most part, nope, pure nonsense.

I wish I could give you 50 stars for that reply

reply to post by captaintyinknots


That is simply not true! The only plumbers and electricians that "must" go through trade school are the saps who've been indoctrinated in this credentialism scheme shoved down peoples throats. There are plenty of good plumbers and electricians who never went to any trade school.

The fact of the matter is that most Americans have become complacent and lazy. Everyone seems to want their cake and eat it "too". There is a difference in WANTING something, and a difference in NEEDING something. People have lost their ability to live to their means. It’s funny how Americans will still go out and buy that flat screen TV or whatever else with money they don’t have. I have no bills other than my mortgage payment and utilities. I have one credit card, and I only use it for emergency purposes. I don’t know the stats, but most Americans are in debt. Why is that? If there is one thing Americans lack more than anyone else in the world, it the ability to manage money. They should make it a requirement for ALL Americans to take “Money Management 101” in high school.

Edit:More than anything, we all put ourselves in situations we can’t get ourselves out of. I have more than $150,000 saved up. Most invested in bonds and silver. Most people here wouldn’t know what to do with any significant amount of money. We live a materialistic society, so I can only assume most would blow it on whatever.

If you saved up 20,30,40 thousand dollars and then lost your job, don't you think you would be better off? I really don't feel sorry for people who don't think or look ahead.

Again, there is a huge disconnect between the newbs and the baby boomers. The older people seem to think you can live off of a trade salary easily.
Sure, you can but the times have changed.
Back in the day you could get a mortgage and credit with an entry level trade or entry level job in general.
Times have changed and the older folk are scared because they expected the next gen. to rock their cribs at the old folks home. They are in denial that they let the gov't enslave their kids and they don't know whta to do so they make excuses.
Socialism doesn't work when you have theives "collecting" and "distributing" the tax money.
And the idiots rail on "welfare bums", yet the gov't gets more respect from them even though they create nothing.
Old people need to evolve

reply to post by neo96




Coming from a parroter of right wing rhetoric such as yourself, that is funny.

There is not a lot original being said anywhere, but look at my signature.

Truth is the only real currency. It is subtle, but it is a decent observation about the truth, and original.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

. There might be boom towns where this is true, but for the most part, nope, pure nonsense.

That's absolutely true. It's pure nonsense. Those who make claims such as the OP does, are either clueless, or they don't have to worry about not having a job because they have one.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

That is simply not true! The only plumbers and electricians that "must" go through trade school are the saps who've been indoctrinated in this credentialism scheme shoved down peoples throats. There are plenty of good plumbers and electricians who never went to any trade school.

I come from a family of plumbers. There are plenty out there that didnt go to school. You know what they are? Former contractors who have gone out of business and now work as SCABS.

The fact is, to be a plumber, or an electrician, one must get certifications. One must get the training.

So, again, if its so easy to go get this experience, will you take me up on my challenge? Will you apply as an entry level plumber with no training and no experience? Will you report on how many of those jobs dont even call you in for an interview?

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Yes, you can be those things without an education. However, try being one without an education and no experience. See where you get. On the job training was trashed years ago. What world are you living in?

reply to post by poet1b


There is no truth in people who been screaming wall street is evil for over 100 years the only thing that sets this country apart from everyone else and has built that power and that standard of living so many people scream bloody murder about is because no other place in the world has it.

Without them this country would be nothing but a 3 world cess pool all those regulations have turned us in to.

Now there is some original thinking.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

You're missing the point. NO NONE WANTS TO TRAIN!!!!!! Hell, I have talked to individual plumbers who operate their own business who will not hire someone without experience. Yet, they refuse to give anyone a chance to gain that experience.

Then compete with that plumber! If you truly want to be a plumber then start plumbing! I have a friend who has an 18 year old son. I have known this boy since he was waddling in diapers, and when he was waddling in diapers he used to break things by constantly taking them apart. By the time he five or six he finally began to figure out how to put these things he took apart back together. By the time he was ten he spent much of his time with a neighbor helping him work on his car. Now he is a mechanic. He never went to any trade school, he doesn't work for anyone, he is a self employed mechanic at 18 years of age with more customers than he can handle.

You're missing the point!

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Even the Navy has a program where you can earn your journeyman card as any of the mentioned trades.

Those trades have traditionally been apprenticed trades.

JP is correct...

Originally posted by kawika
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

Even the Navy has a program where you can earn your journeyman card as any of the mentioned trades.

Those trades have traditionally been apprenticed trades.

JP is correct...

Tell me, what is an apprentice position?

Originally posted by cetaphobic
Programming takes years of learning to be considered for hiring without a college degree backing you.

This is not entirely true. You could teach yourself HTML/CSS and graphic design in a couple of months of dedicated study, build up a portfolio, and land a $18/hr job as a graphic designer or web developer. All you need is a portfolio. Learn some PHP/MySQL and database design, object oriented programming and you could be the next Mark Zuckerberg. It is all about effort. The more you dedicate yourself to a goal, the more likely you will succeed.