Is it time for a revolution in America?

Originally posted by cavtrooper7
I haven't got any viable targets to attack.

because it's an idea, a translucent programming that manifests and evolves wherever the evil minds can spread it.

remove those people and the idea dies.

obviously you and I reading this have a sense of morality, something we learned along the way during our lives.
something went right somewhere in your timeline.

replicate that line of thinking on a mass scale and we have utopia.

reply to post by yourmaker

True enough but I am beyond pissed armed and actively standing by for a big show.I just don't see a purpose in it now.I know the hell we would see ,that is why I have these weapons so what I saw in Iraq will not happen here.
Politics? I can't deal with any liars who think their lies are how things should be so they can get paid no matter the cost,in life and liberty of their constituents.

Originally posted by Stop-loss!
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

 

1. We are too lazy and scared to get hurt for what we believe in due to extreme conditioning.

2. Too many creature comforts still remain in our possession to the point that we still think we are better off than other countries.

3. We rely too much on the system even though it has failed us many times to provide better health care/education.

I agree 100%. Most Americans are too complacent. Too set in their ways of life.

Take their game systems and see how quickly THAT will shake them out of their complacency though. Taking their jobs obviously didn't work.

of course it's time for revolution. revolution, (or rather, evolution) is time.

you fools are getting caught up in semantics, open your mind, look at your world, see yourself in it. the more you do that the better chance you have of actually (r)evolving.

Seriously time for a revolution. Believe me, if I had the money and resources I'd lead it myself. Unfortunately much of my time is spent making sure I have a place to sleep and food to eat for myself and my mother and grandmother.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep

Revolution is not only needed in America, but it is needed globally.. a new global religion, a new global political system, a new global economic model, a new global psychology, a new global radicalism…in short, a New World Order. The thought of NWO usually frightens people, but if the current world order isn't working in the interest of most people, and is instead in the interest of the elite 1%, then it is time for a NWO.
We need to replace consumerism with high culture. Place ideas above money. End nepotism and cronyism. No descrimination. Equal opportunity for all. No special privileges for the 1% who are handed everything to them at birth. Reward Merit.
These are some of the qualities the NWO should have. We need to usher the NWO order in instead of shutting it out. An uprising is way over due. would it really be that difficult for 99% of the population to overthrow 1% of the population? The problem is, most people aren't aware that they are merely slaves of the 1%. Those of us who understand what is going on in the world need to do their part in waking the masses up.. Once more people become aware, there is no stopping us. Join the movement


"I am about to make my last voyage, a great leap in the dark."
- Thomas Hobbs

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Hey VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep. Great thread S&F! I believe your right about all this. I have been saying for some time "the time for minor fixes is over" "Drastic actions are now required". Find it funny that you know more about the inner workings and corruption in the American government than most people living here.

Is it time for a revolution in America? Not a peaceful one, but an uprising of the masses, against their corrupt government. Maybe it is, or maybe it has not come to that point yet. Time will tell. I just fear, that once the time arrives, it might be too late.

If we are not there yet we are very close... Most of us knows what needs to be done. I think we hesitate because some like myself still think this can be resolved without violence. The part that worries me is the fact the government is doing an excellent job of turning us on one another. No worries of a revolution if the population is in a civil war with one another.

Now, I have seen my fair share of violent uprisings, and attempts to correct an oppressive government. And guess what? It worked. Naturally all situations are not the same, and should be approached differently.

Our situation is the sheer amount of firearms owned by the public would cause chaos if not properly directed and organized. We NEED a real leader! Without that it will never work... But anyone who has ever stepped up for "US" gets shut down ie shot. Martin Luther King, John F Kennedy are the prominent figures that were assinated. A recent one would be William Cooper.

Again thanks for the great thread! We don't just fight to take our country back. We fight for the livelihood of the world and everyone on it. America should be a light in the darkness not the darkness itself. Wish us luck.

When the time comes hopefully it will be swift, glorious, progressive and effective.

The United States is a federal system. This means that the states have certain powers and the federal (central) government has others. Anything not specifically covered in the constitution, as powers provided to the federal government, are given to the states. The federal government uses the powers of monitary contribution (bribery) to entice the states to follow federal guidelines, yet if a state refuses to take the money, then it may do as it pleases as long as the federal constitution is not violated.

Before there is any kind of nation wide revolution the states will act upon the desires of their citizens. If the federal government has a lot of power now it is because the states have refused to exercise their own pull. States need to realize that they can provide economic systems which are not necessarily subject to federal intervention. For example, education of the people is not a federal power. The states have autonomous control over how citizens of that state are educated. Money from the federal government to entice states to comply with No Child Left Behind is the carrot and the stick.

reply to post by truthseeker1984


I was in the process of writing my response to the OP when I came across your post and you said everything I was saying exactly.

The problems within the US are so complex and on every level. It isn't even as simple as calling it a problem with American government.

First off, a revolution targeting the government would require an anticipated replacement. In the original American revolution, the founders said by writing their Declaration of Independence, they recognized the natural freedoms that all mankind is born with, and how the government was removing and restricting those natural freedoms. They then went on to say that from an individual to government relationships, a government must represent its people, which was not being done with respect to the American colonies.

Since that time and the creation of the US Constitution, the nation has struggled to keep the government in accordance with the ideas of the nations creation. This is because of the innate evils and corruptibility of human nature. As such, we have ended up with a system that is monstrous in both size, cost and its control and involvement in individual lives. Technological development along the way has only helped to compound the problem, and reveal to more the reality of the situation.

Most people look at the outrage and infighting as a matter of liberal vs conservative or left vs right. In reality, these problems exist because of a lack of understanding why the nation exists and what freedom and limited government means. Whenever government expands or a law is passed, it should be required to pass the founders test: Is this the governments responsibility? Does this encroach on individual freedoms? This would have fixed most of our problems.

Yes, the justification for a revolution in America came some time ago. The ability to engage in a revolution against the government has not existed for decades or more. Above all, there is no unifying intent. Even if everyone were on-board with the purpose to resort back to a simpler time in US Government, even as much as only the constitution, the corruptibility of man would have new representatives going in off of corrupt dollars, to set up the system to pay back or win favors, and grow the government again so individuals and groups can have power and control.

The revolution we need most of all, and the only one that could legitimately gain traction and win, is a revolution of humanity as a whole. Civilization as a whole must shift to a more moral and ethical paradigm. Until then, even the most practical and perfect concept, as I believe the US was in its founding, is doomed to failure; and ultimately so to is humanity.

Given that the ideal situation, in your post, is a replacement of current forms of government, that is much more difficult to impliment. What I suggest is a return to local importance. Local people can govern themselves locally. The tide of federal intervention as a salve to fix all wounds is over. The cold war allowed the federal government to develop overstepping powers. The current, and indefinite, war on terrorism is similar in scope, yet is not isolated to a specific country.

Local control within cities for the mundane (such as street repair, local park maintenance etc...), state control for the welfare and education of people, and federal protection from foreign bodies intent on warfare is all that is needed. The federal government has overstepped and keeps this position through offers of money (bribes). Each state, without the intervention of federal money, could manage itself with good old American invention.

It's time to overthrow the Moneymen perched at the top of the tree. They are the ones who are funding the worldwide illusion of needing things we actually don't need. They are showing the government how to make money off of us, because the government in turn keeps us under control.

It's time to let us be free. Either we will swim...or we will sink. The time has come to choose.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


All that is happening here is we are copying what is going on in Europe. Unlike South Africa, under our system a "revolution" is unnecessary. We just need to vote new people into office.

Sadly the US is often misrepresented here at ATS and all you see are cherry picked bits of bad, gleaned from a tiny minority of the country. Occupy died a quick death here for a reason. Now it's just the usual Anarchists that are a thorn in the side of any Free country. They speak for a tiny group of people without any power. Much of it is lies and political propaganda. Don't make the error of thinking it's all true.

Our real danger lies in continuing to follow the Socialist or Communist models that destroy any economy they touch. Europe will fall before we do and in fact parts of Europe may not make it through the year. Nanny States always end up impoverishing the citizens and placing all power in the hands of an elite minority.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


95% of Americans wouldn't know what to do with themselves if a war started here.

We are so isolated and bubbled that our people don't even understand the concept of war, let alone how to truly execute a proper battle.

If I rolled a single M-1 Abraham's into pretty much any given town (Not city) in the US, I could destroy a third of the town before anything or anyone could stop me.

"Breaking Track" is a foreign concept to most US citizens and IS something that say your average Iraqi knows.

Most people here aren't ready for anything like that. It'll be "Adapt or Die" like most draftees know.

The root of all our problems seems to be capital gain.
Money = Greed
Capital = Money

Sometimes I wonder how Americans before my time were delirious enough to openly call for "Capitalism" with and without knowing exactly what they were getting into.

Realistically, if we want to achieve a global status of a Stage 1+ society, we need to phase out the monetary system and start focusing on rebuilding the earth that we have been recklessly destroying. Which is great because we hit the wall already, with events like Fukushima threatening the extinction of the human race, nuclear plants all across the US (among other countries) that need one easy natural disaster, EMP blast, solar flare or ect. that could make the reactors uncontainable and threaten humanity. I have no clue how people allowed this to get as far as it has.

Ideally, if we want to see humanity thrive, we need to somehow create a one world planetary system where everybody has a stake to gain and nobody can loose. The ideal situation is True Socialism, but when socialists gain power in government, corruption takes over as we have seen in the Cold War situations. It's just too easy to become a slavery-type system. Only if we could return back to the original ideals of the founding fathers, True Freedom and God-Given rights for everyone, that would be a good start. But even then we're too far along to make small progress like that because of the dire situations I mentioned above.

We need radical change, and I'm way too suspicious of a NWO type scenario becoming way too powerful. We need to start with the steps we've been seeing in states like Vermont, trying to get corporations out of government entirely, and hope progress moves fast enough to find real solutions to the problems that face all of the life on this planet. And honestly, I don't see that change coming any time soon until a blatant act happens that triggers uprising. Imagine if the days of the Martin Luther King Jr. and Kennedy assassinations we're part of our current age of information, I'm sure people would be more awake and pissed off knowing what we know now.

We need total transparency more than ever. We need to stop senseless violence. Because regardless of where somebody lives on the planet, they're still human and born of this earth. Because what are countries? Fictional lines that divide us. Sure they had their purpose in the growth and development of the earth as we see today, but progress is moving far too slowly as compared to the growth rate of technology.

It's like Lil B says in his track The Age of Information. Sure we can go to the moon and other planets, but we still have racism. We still have senseless nuclear war. The age of information is hell.

Until the people CHOOSE to stand up and face the facts, we're all going to be facing a inevitably shorter lifespan. And that's the real shame.

Yes it is time. But what would the people do? Sit in front of Wall Street all day?

20 years ago, I'll be proud to be American, now, thank god I'm not American.
You guys once a great country, rule over the world, but now you guys are the baddies.
You guys are too comfortable within the "bubble". The "we are great nation, we will not fail" bubble.

We outsider/non Americans we might sound like terrorist, suggesting revolt, inciting unease feeling etc (because of the bubble view) but we felt necessary to inform the Americans.

What really happen is we dont like the direction America took because it affect us all, the world. You guys want revolution, but I think have no idea of what its supposed to be like or how its supposed to be done. When is the last time a revolt happen ? Oh OWS ? and who is the leader ? There you go, clueless as expected.

Advice: Your last chance - Ron Paul and even that I doubt the progress, Obama is a sample, good promise, its done, but not quite what everyone expected.

LeoStarchild - you pick the best solution, I would do the same, with speed, in fact, apply now.
truthseeker1984 - you said it better than me, its great delight to see someone who can view the situation from outside the bubble.

The greatest enemy of freedom is a happy slave.

i guess there is alot happy people in usa

I think one of the biggest problems is the fact that Americans get bombarded, via their media, telling the citizens of America, that they are "number 1", the "greatest nation on earth" etc etc.

This creates the illusion that all is good and as it should be. Yet, if you have some people that are willing to dig deeper, and look past the obvious lies and tomfoolery, perpetrated by the government, then some cracks start to appear.

This is why it is important to question and investigate everything. Get the truth out there, and expose the corruption. Let more people "wake up", shake them from their comfort zones, and do something about it.

Many ask, "yeah, but what can we do?" Well, its simple, get educated, and remember you have a voice. Look past the obvious propoganda being spread in the media, and discover things for yourself. Then take a stance, and get others to open their eyes.

vvv

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


You mean is it time we give the govt. what they want ? A reason to cut us down like blades of grass ?
If they want us ? We're an easy mark either way.