Is it time for a revolution in America?

Firstly, I am not from America.

However, I have been on Ats for some time, and reading all the posts, and news regarding the state of affairs in the US, I have to ask this question. I see many people, moaning and groaning about America, and what it has become. I see them complaining about the economic state it is in, the healthcare system, the way the people are oppressed.

I see honest people, feeling like their rights are being taken away from them. Yet, I also see people just complaining, and nothing being done about it. Yes, they can have petitions, and little rallies in the park raising their voices about some of these matters. However, I don't feel this will get them anywhere.

Sometimes, actions speak louder than words.

Now, I am not one for violence, or indeed violent protests, or even wars. Sometimes I just get the feeling that there is no other way. Of course I might be wrong, but this is just the feeling I am getting. Too many people complaining, and not doing anything.

Is it time for a revolution in America? Not a peaceful one, but an uprising of the masses, against their corrupt government. Maybe it is, or maybe it has not come to that point yet. Time will tell. I just fear, that once the time arrives, it might be too late.

Now, I have seen my fair share of violent uprisings, and attempts to correct an oppressive government. And guess what? It worked. Naturally all situations are not the same, and should be approached differently.

However, the longer people sit around idly, seeing all the wrongs, complaining about it, yet, doing nothing about it, the harder it will become to do anything before it is too late.

There is an old saying "When preparing for peace, prepare for war". Although it is sad, that we as a civilization has come to a point where war is sometimes necessary, it is true. History tells us so.

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Not yet. The common people still didnt see what wrong.

For Greece - Definitely yes.

Its just matter of time when USA will reach the Greece state.

reply to post by NullVoid


Just imagine where we would be if we couldn't print money anymore, if we werent the reserve currency. Greece is falling to shambles over ~500 billion. We went from 10-15 trillion in less than 5 years.

That's a problem, a huge problem that people won't realize untill it's starting to really bite us in the keester

People just won't listen, it's the normalcy bias. We haven't seen how bad it can truly get, most people will never be able to imagine it, let alone have the foresight to try to take steps to avoid it.

We do need a revolution, but we won't be getting one, not untill it's too late. Especially if they get the continuity of government systems fully operational.

We're in for the long haul, 2012 is just the beginning

If the U.S. falls into serious civil unrest and revolution, don't count on the US necessarily reforming into a unified nation again. It's not just Liberals and Conservatives who are so polarized now many would prefer living anything to living under each other's idea of the right system. We have the racial divides, money status divides and a few lesser ones. The biggies are enough to start fighting within the overall fighting.

I see the U.S. realistically ending up as 2-3 seperate nations and in an uncomfortable state of peace. That is all *IF* the situation in the United States ever actually reached the point of the working Government being brought down to a state of not functional at all, for any length of time.

Whatever problems we have, I'd certainly say those wanting revolution who live here give thought to that possibility. We may look back on this mess as being the last 100% peaceful times we really know. I just can't feel sure we ever get things back together....

To further help estimate the revolution deadline these 2 chart will help a bit.







The problem is not by Obama, it start at Bush and with the alternative fiscal scenario still in place, we can expect the ceiling might be breached when Obama end.

The one to blame - Bush.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


It's long overdue...


I feel sorry for the citizens on the US, many of them don't see how bad things actually are until they look at it from an outside perspective.

See what I mean? The divisions are so extreme, the topic of a very general revolution can't be broached without blame to one side or another as top of the list for issues to settle. How can American citizens ever fight for change when fighting each other comes before every other consideration and logical approach? Revolutions overseas have worked when there are 2 clearly defined sides. Split and chaotic ones give us Columbia or Mexico.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Indeed mate.

Americans should unite, and fight as one entity. Forget about their political convictions, and fight the true opressor of their liberty and freedom. The very government that is suppose to protect its citizens, is alienating them, not only from their government, but also from themselves.

This is what they want, pawns, that cannot stand together for one cause, but fighting each other over trivial matters, while they (the gov) sit back and play them like puppets on a string.

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reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


I just don't see a revolution happening anytime soon for 3 main reasons.

1. We are too lazy and scared to get hurt for what we believe in due to extreme conditioning.

2. Too many creature comforts still remain in our possession to the point that we still think we are better off than other countries.

3. We rely too much on the system even though it has failed us many times to provide better health care/education.

I'd like to see some changes happen if and when RP ever becomes the next president but even by then it might be too late for us. Will we have enough time to make a difference before we end up like ancient Rome? Only time will tell.

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


Just to add to my above statement (I have debated topic before as well)

Healthcare and Military spending.

The US Healthcare system is an absolute joke when comparing to many other countries including Australia.

The fact that if you do not have private healthcare you are screwed just baffles me. Then if you get seriously sick and try to pay for private healthcare you get screwed because it is a pre-existing condition and is not covered and thus are basically sentenced to death in many (but not all) cases.

In Australia, I can afford private healthcare but choose not to pay because I pay a levy and surplus in my taxes which still works out cheaper than paying anywhere between 3 or 4k per year for private healthcare that I don't really use.

If I have a heart attack, stroke, cancer or many other serious conditions, the public system will not hesitate to treat me and the public system here is very good.

Sometimes the only difference between public and private is better quality room or food... I don't goto hospital for luxury!! I go there to get better!



Then to Military -

The military budgets in the US are disgusting and as time goes on we should need less and less military spending. It basically comes down to paranoia and fear of war when we as a civilised species should be able to resolve conflict without war.

But then the military contractors that pay massive $$ to re-election campaigns would lose money and profit!!

What a screwed up system!

reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep



Although above I said it is long overdue, I don't think a "revolution" especially a violent one is the right answer.

The answer is in the system and using the current system to get what you want. That means the right people running for government and being elected.

These people need the right concepts and the right frame of thinking but it all comes down to money.

The richer you are the more chances you have at things like this in most cases. Then the big companies with a vested interest in the elections choose who to contribute money to, they only do this if they agree with your policies. It's a subtle form of bribery!!

It's all about money and greed....

reply to post by Havick007


Yes, and money and greed will always be the deciding factor. Through power into the mix, and its a recipe for disaster.

Even in the instances where violent revolutions has occured, and indeed succeeded, it always seems to collapse again.

A new government gets elected, and for a while, everything seems good. Inevitably, the old monsters, greed and money creep in though, and the cycle will repeat.

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reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep


It's sad I know

Although It won't always be like this, people are starting wake up slowly and when I say people I mean the majority but it takes time and alot of it.

It may not happen in my lifetime but it will eventually happen. I hope I do see a massive shift in thinking before I die but there is so much power and alot of ignorance as well.

As I stated in another post, I wish all the whackos on the right who constantly call for armed insurrection would get to it. They talk and talk and talk about the rights we are losing, because ZOMG I have to buy health insurance! The scream about the gubbmint takin' away their guns, yet it's just as easy to get a semi-auto to shoot up your school or former place of work today as it was 20 years ago. They scream about socialists and Marxists, yet the government has not gone in and taken the means of production from private businesses, then said you aren't getting it back. So, as I've said, I want them to put up or shut up. Start shooting or open up a book and read, or go to the park or something, because all this arm chair rebellion tells me the right is all jaws and no b@!!s. i mean if they HATE government so much why do the keep trying to take it over? But I admit some kind of something is needed to trim the American herd of the morons who put more stock in a 2000 year old book written specifically, or I should say assembled specifically, to control you, than often times the obvious facts right in front of their face. But hey, to them, I'm intolerant because I am against their religion of peace that has caused more war and strife than any peace. These same people who CHOOSE to follow an invisible sky god then turn around and tell people who have no control over their biological sexual orientation that they deserve to be discriminated against because of their choice. My question, if it's ok to discriminate against a person for a "choice" they make, then we need to get rid of religious discrimination laws, because religion is a choice you make. You can choose to live a godless-moral life or a hate filled and prejudice religious life. Sorry I went off there for a bit. Bottom line, most people who talk about a revolution have no real idea what that would create.

reply to post by DarkKnight76


First of all [ (paragraph please!!!!) It makes it easier to read

I think your first few lines are a problem as well - You mentioned "the right" or right wing as opposed to the left.

There will always be problems when people are opposed and hate one another because they have been taught to hate one another instead of thinking for themselves.

People need to realise that we are all one and all equal and deserve one frame of thinking that makes life better for all of us equally!

At the moment, neither the right or the left have the right idea.

The same for here in Australia where Labour and Liberal are the opposing parties, it's the same or similar problem and neither have the answer.

reply to post by Havick007


First off, don't tell me how to structure my paragraphs. I live in America, and as an American I have the right to be as ludicriously belligerent as I want, and follow my own rules. At least that is what all the America firsters imply.

And I am only reciprocating the hate that has been shown to me by the right. Want to know what's wrong with America? It's the way, once we didn't have the Russians to scapegoat for all our problems anymore, the right began to scapegoat the left. The left was the enemy now. All the problems were their fault! Even though if you really look at the history most problems are caused by right wing politicians who make a huge mess, just to have the left come in and clean it up, while the right goes around screaming about it as if they had no part in the problem and are appalled the left would let this happen.


Just for the record, I am all for fiscal conservatism, favor it in fact, but can't stand social conservatives. If fiscally conservative, socially liberal would make some noise and start a party I'd vote for them.

^^Your way wrong..

alas,

If there is a revolution anytime soon ... it wont come from the left of this country. I do not believe they have the balls to fight for what they 'believe' in....

As its quite the opposite for those that lean right...


just my 2 cents

reply to post by DarkKnight76


lol sorry I wasn't having a go at you, I am no grammar nazi but it was just hard to read without breaks.... thats all My spelling, punctuation and grammar is far from perfect!

I love that statement though, freedom of speech and freedom to screw grammer lol hehe i'm joking around!!


Yeah well I know what you are saying but it's hard when your raised with one ethos and it is instilled in such a young age (in some cases).

The whole system is broken not just one side or the other...

reply to post by LeoStarchild


Way wrong how? Did your read my previous post? I didn't say the left would revolt. I clearly stated it was the right who talks and talks about it, yet does nothing but b!7(h about it constantly. Like I said, I'm tired of it, either work together with your fellow Americans, start shooting or STFU.

reply to post by Havick007
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I don't think anything is broken, only that there needs to be a third or more parties. I actually think we need to move toward some kind of parlimentary system that assigns seats by votes for the party, like in Great Britain and most other places in the world. By not giving equal representation to all interested, we effectively alienate large parts of the electorate.

And, as far as I am concerned, the democrats get my vote until a legitimate third party can get together or the republicans get back to their small government philosophy - as in not screaming to get the government out of their personal lives while writing legislation invading a woman's uterus and telling me I have to follow a law based on their religious conviction.