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Originally posted by mythos
"this is not christian hating... this is accountability."
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Here it is.
Do not dodge it forever,
Accountability to who and what?
That is my question.
Got anything but spin now?
aha... thank you. i meant no dodge but was sidetracked by the whole FLY business. now that we are clear, i can proceed:
accountability to the whole of society (because not everyone believes as a Christian does) for the persistence and tenacity in fear & hate mongering towards the homosexual community.
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Unless you train your accountability to the entire planet then you are a bigot and anti Christian for singling out that one religion.
No excuses no exceptions.
Peace ljb
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by Masterjaden
You cannot be accepting of your own homosexuality or others continued choice to live a homosexual lifestyle and be Christian.
Didn't read the rest yet, sort of got stuck here.
lets see...I am not gay, so let me remove the irrelevant parts of this sentence:
Originally posted by Masterjaden
You cannot be accepting of others continued choice to live a homosexual lifestyle and be Christian.
Lets remove then the specifics and make it a overall mindset statement. If I can not accept something about someone else whom is not harming anyone in their practices and desires, then that is a show stopper, so for me, it could be almost anything in there with equal weight.
What does that leave me with.
Originally posted by Masterjaden
You cannot be accepting of others and be Christian.
Ahh, I see the issue now
Yes, I cannot be a christian, because I accept others for them to be who they are so long as they harm none in their personal persuits.
I accept you being religious (see, I am just incapable of not accepting people...I guess I am simply not cut out to be a christian on your terms)
Originally posted by SoulReaper
If they taught the real scientific, peer reviewed health studies regarding the astronomically increased health risks associated with the homosexual lifestyle from Preschool on up through College and showed kids the horrible diseases that can result... I can bet you would see a much different perception in society and perhaps even a lower rate of homosexuality among the population.
Originally posted by Masterjaden
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by Masterjaden
You cannot be accepting of your own homosexuality or others continued choice to live a homosexual lifestyle and be Christian.
Didn't read the rest yet, sort of got stuck here.
lets see...I am not gay, so let me remove the irrelevant parts of this sentence:
Originally posted by Masterjaden
You cannot be accepting of others continued choice to live a homosexual lifestyle and be Christian.
Lets remove then the specifics and make it a overall mindset statement. If I can not accept something about someone else whom is not harming anyone in their practices and desires, then that is a show stopper, so for me, it could be almost anything in there with equal weight.
What does that leave me with.
Originally posted by Masterjaden
You cannot be accepting of others and be Christian.
Ahh, I see the issue now
Yes, I cannot be a christian, because I accept others for them to be who they are so long as they harm none in their personal persuits.
I accept you being religious (see, I am just incapable of not accepting people...I guess I am simply not cut out to be a christian on your terms)
Oh really.. So you think you can completely edit a sentence and manipulate it's meaning to fit your preconceived notions and allow you to respond in a way that contextually makes zero sense and that you then have a valid argument...
Let me guess, you voted for Obama and are going to do so again, or better yet you are from Europe or Canada and love Marx as your idol???
Jaden
Thank you,
Unless you train your accountability to the entire planet then you are a bigot and anti Christian for singling out that one religion.
No excuses no exceptions.
Peace ljb
Originally posted by Furbs
Originally posted by SoulReaper
If they taught the real scientific, peer reviewed health studies regarding the astronomically increased health risks associated with the homosexual lifestyle from Preschool on up through College and showed kids the horrible diseases that can result... I can bet you would see a much different perception in society and perhaps even a lower rate of homosexuality among the population.
Why not toss a few of these peer reviewed health studies into the thread, just for funzies.
Originally posted by SoulReaper
Many parents are idiots...sorry...but thems are the facts
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Source
Yep
Not truth, not morality, not hope, none of that.
Its simply associated with being anti-homosexual, or the club for homophobes.
When asked by The Barna Group what words or phrases best describe Christianity, the top response among Americans ages 16-29 was “antihomosexual.” For a staggering 91 percent of non-Christians, this was the first word that came to their mind when asked about the Christian faith. The same was true for 80 percent of young churchgoers. (The next most common negative images? : “judgmental,” “hypocritical,” and “too involved in politics.”)
So Congratulations to the religious leaders and outspoken religious folks out there...your message of not liking "the gay" is heard loud and clear.
And also congratulations on completely isolating any potential future for your religion..lose the youth, you lose it all..
Later research, documented in Kinnaman’s You Lost Me, reveals that one of the top reasons 59 percent of young adults with a Christian background have left the church is because they perceive the church to be too exclusive, particularly regarding their LGBT friends. Eight million twenty-somethings have left the church, and this is one reason why.
I am not saying Christians should rewrite their bible, but rather, its time to put perspective on it.
Being gay is one sin, which is alright should you accept christs sacrifice
So is lying. People lie all the time.
And lets say you somehow are without sin, you are STILL going to hell unless you do the catch all, which is ultimately just accepting christ..right?
So, you lot got a choice...kick out the old fogies whom are banging their fists on tables saying we gotta hate "the gay' because they are all gay n stuff, and install some reasonable minded young ones whom see being gay about as damning as telling someone those jeans don't make them look fat (cough)....focus on the sin, and your just a bunch of judgemental jerks...focus on the love of christ and his sacrifice for all the people and the idiotic things we do, and you may win some back over time (once you shut up your anti-gay idiots).
-not gay, don't care either way what others do, but bigotry is bigotry..and its a (well deserved) dying trait that deserves no respect or attention-edit on 15-5-2012 by SaturnFX because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SaturnFX
reply to post by korathin
Your sort of all over the map here.
You don't like gays, because your church seems to like women more, and therefore..something about feminists, and...huh?
Women being treated equal or occasionally suggested better at times then men made you stop going to church is arguably what I am getting out of this...therefore gay people annoy you...because of women...and something about porn verses infidelity..
-blinks-
Originally posted by korathin
No, being treated like a black in the 1930's made me stop going to Church. Well maybe not the 1930's, but being treated as less then human by a bunch of twits is far too insulting for my tastes.
And judging by your reply, you didn't really read what I said, or read the links. And if you did read the links, wow; I guess some peoples chauvinism is so severe, they think demonzing one gender means "equality" for the other..
About porn, it was a simple statement to illustrate the fact that Protestant Churches are "OK" when women commit adultery(they blame it on the husband actually),
History has shown feminism is nothing more then a female supremacist hate movement,
and male victims of domestic violence.
The simple fact is you read what I wrote, and intentionally wrote that obfuscate drivel because you couldn't stomach what was written,
but could find no real fault with it. So if you couldn't attack it directly you decided to use emotional abuse
Originally posted by SaturnFX
My manly advice...suck it up...your as weak as you want to be, not as "they" see you.
SaturnFX
So, your wanting a sort of bunkhouse for men whom were beaten by women or something?
I am in two minds about the violence against women act mind you...I see the practical necessity of it..not all things are equal..men are stronger than women, and have a much greater role of physical intimidation over a woman..this is simple biology.
Is it unfair? no...is it equal? no. I am ultimately not bothered about a place where women can escape abusive partners...but then again, I have a slightly traditional view of men and women. Mostly because biological differences show this is how things simply are.