Christianity in one word: Anti-homosexual

Originally posted by longjohnbritches

Originally posted by mythos

Originally posted by longjohnbritches

Originally posted by mythos
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this is not christian hating... this is accountability.

Accountability to who and friggin what FLY??
Some nut JOB in a hole?

edit on 5/16/2012 by longjohnbritches because: (no reason given)

i have no idea what you mean by this. elaborate so i can respond appropriately, please.

Honestly I can not account for your ignorance.
That is your delema.
Search your soul. It's in there dude.

alright "dude"... i'll deal with all sorts of shennanigens on ATS, 'cause i know there is a wide variety of folk on here, but when you call me ignorant for not understanding what in blazes YOU'RE talking about, even as i ask you respectfully to clarify yourself... and then you ask me to search my soul. geez... these sound like avoidance tactics to me... 'cause you have no idea who i am or what i've been through to dare question my soul

so do my a favor, and keep my soul out of this. it's quite fine, thank you very much. and instead, deal with the topic at hand.

unless, of course, you've got no reasonable debate but mud-slinging.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by MasterGemini

Saturn - Lord of the Rings
www.tufts.edu...

And if you want to go to the lord of the rings reference the two towers are Joachim and Boaz, aka Gemini.
Sauruman is Solomon , the giant flaming (lol no pun intended) eye atop the obelisk is Satan.

Middle Earth is describing the realm in a kabbalistic sense.

Saturn FX F=6 the number of man and X = crossing the dimensions

You are making a very foolish decision in pursuing this path.

ok, I gotta admit, that is a pretty awesome copulation there actually. I may even have to use some of it.
But I think your reading too much into the trilogy actually...I seen religious folk try to put biblical meaning into every pop show, from star wars, to matrix. simple association based on..meh, their desires I guess.
I could also put meaning onto almost anything to make it seem like its hidden messages. was a game I used to play in school with music lyrics and their true meaning.

I do like that though...Saturn..the planet with rings, the lord of the rings...brilliant. Actually, that makes me want to use my older avatar now. Cheers.

oh, and no..truth is, the original name was SaturnGraphics (old company name) but joined a forum a bajillion years ago that didn't allow that long a name..had to condense it to FX (for effects...did flash, CG, etc)

But ya, your version is way cooler...snipped (if you don't mind)

Oh a graphics company eh?

You must fancy yourself a master of illusion then . . .

I am christian. Love Jesus and what he did for me. So my understanding of his teachings is to love our neighbor. But hate sin. I hate sin in my life and fail to much. Socially i love people. Yes i get mad at some of them but that is my sin. So in my mind i am antihomosexual because it is sin. Just like i am anti taking-the-Lords-name-in-vain. Im not to judge others. I have to many problems (sins) of my own and am totally NOT without fault. I love you "alternative life style person" and you are welcome to come and worship Christ with me anytime you like.
So.... Love people, Hate sin.

reply to post by MasterGemini


Tolkien was very clear on saying that Lord of the Rings was NOT allegory. you can read into it all you want, but such luciferien mythos was not his intent.

reply to post by subcsailor


Love the sinner but hate the sin is a bunch of crap.

Because in the end Christians still punish the sinner for doing something wrong in a sad attempt to get them to change their ways.

So I'm sorry, but I just can't see any difference.

Originally posted by AQuestion

You make so many assumptions. All scripture is good and understanding it is even better. What is more important, salvation or sin? If sin, then what was the point of Jesus' death? Who is sinless?

Well, last I checked, you were supposed to repent for your sins before you could receive salvation. Is repentance something your church teaches?

In regards to whether or not the members believe homosexuality is a sin, I would say some do and some don't. As for me, I am not there to judge anyone (judge not less you be judged). The fallacy is thinking that some sins are worse than others, picking and choosing who you condemn.

I'm not sure what to say to this. I respect your stance on not judging, but does the fact that some of your gay members don't consider homosexuality a sin a sign of ignorance to the Bible or just sheer denial in your opinion?

reply to post by subcsailor


the issue is that you define Homosexuality as a sin. it is rather condescending than to say that you love the sinner.

again... it is not a sin.

i welcome you to come worship the Goddess with me, where sin goes no further then the needless suffering we cause others.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Interesting. Christians you say are bigots about Gay's. You are a bigot about Christians. Same thing, different target.

and off topic.

Actually, it's very much on topic. Those who are anti-Gay, no matter their religion are expressing genuine bigotry, just as those who are anti-Christian simply because they exist are also expressing genuine bigotry.

will entertain this for a moment.

If I wanted to stop being a christian, what should I do?
if I wanted to stop being gay, what should I do?

Christianity is a full blown personal choice that can be changed and abandoned within a single thought.
Being gay appears to be nature more than nurture...you can't just decide..naa, I am done being gay.

There is strong evidence that being gay is a different neurological setup..aka, your brain thinks and interprets differently. hard coded.
Some consider this to be brain damage, or a disorder...meh, I consider loving anchovi's to be a brain disorder...but those freaks can like the horrible fish anyhow.

Anyhow, so being a christian is being part of an organization. similar to being part of the kkk, or the chess club...it is a full choice you can make and leave at any given time.

Being gay is not being part of a club..it is a biological difference.

Bigotry comes from hating a person in a catagory.
not liking a organization is not bigotry...its opinionated perhaps, its maybe a bit simple..but its not bigotry...if I dislike the chess club, that doesn't mean I dislike chess players...I may not like the club because they are corrupt, or they are playing checkers when it should be chess, or a million other reasons.

I don't hate (or automatically like) religious people. I judge everyone based on who they themselves are and the quality of that person. I don't have to like the clubs, organizations, political affiliations, or other things they are part of.

And its off topic in regards to even if I am some bigot, I didn't create this study, nor did I answer any of its questoins...
If someone whom hates say, the republicans, points out how a republican got caught doing something completely illegal...does it make it less illegal due to the fact that someone whom didn't like the reps in the first place pointed it out?
Your suggesting that somehow, my views on religion, dismisses the study done by a religious organization...because of my personal views...some guy on the internet = greater than a study done by others...

reply to post by Deetermined


Dear Deetermined,

Well, last I checked, you were supposed to repent for your sins before you could receive salvation. Is repentance something your church teaches?

Sin means to fall short of perfection, to miss the mark. When they ask, I tell them that homosexuality is a sin and that lust is a sin and that I lust when I see a pretty woman. I am not sinless. I tell them that none of us are perfect and we aren't going to become perfect. The point of the sermon on the mound was to show us that we are incapable of being sinless. Which sin people choose to address in their life is between them and God.

Paul said he was the greatest sinner of all. People tend to skip that part of the bible. As for me, I tell people to focus on faith and being of service to others. I think our focus should be on how we are improving and not on how we fall short or we never improve and get stuck in a rut. Just because we have gay members does not mean it is the focus of our services, it is not. There is plenty of bible to discuss and we do. I am sorry that you think the purpose of the church is to beat people for being imperfect, I disagree.

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Originally posted by mythos
reply to post by subcsailor

 

the issue is that you define Homosexuality as a sin. it is rather condescending than to say that you love the sinner.

again... it is not a sin.

i welcome you to come worship the Goddess with me, where sin goes no further then the needless suffering we cause others.

edit on 16-5-2012 by mythos because: spelling

Yes i am just posting my opinion. Which i am the first to say that it doesnt mean much. Sin is something that we dont like to talk about and like even less to admit we have. But since the time of Adam all have experienced (except Jesus) it. And my understanding of sin is not only against others but it is a heart condition that seperates us from God. And Jesus taught to love the sinner. So that is what i try to do.
Thank you for your thoughts.

reply to post by SaturnFX


You have no idea what damage you cause with such an ill thought-out thread as this.

This "New World Order" that the politicians keep mentioning, cannot exist alongside Christianity - it is a fact. That is why Christianity is being discredited in the newspapers so much.

The NWO will be based on Collectivism, ie., everything you do will be for the "Good of Society" - including your own death. When someone is not useful anymore then they are considered a burden to society and therefore the disabled, the mentally disturbed, the elderly and anyone else who can't work, should die. Christianity believes in the exact opposite - Individualism - where everyone has the right to live.

So how about thinking that Christianity, with all its flaws, is the lesser of two "evils"?? Either you live in a world where homosexuality is frowned upon or you live in a world dictatorship where all your freedom is lost - which would you prefer?

The survival of Christianity is the only chance we've got because it is the only "egregore" we have. You should at least try to protect it even if you don't believe in it.

We should all "think" before writing anything on the internet. This thread is a good example of "homo stultum" behaviour and thinking. You've been "dumbed-down" and are just helping TPTB with their goal. Shame on you.

reply to post by subcsailor


fair enough... blessed be & keep on loving!

reply to post by SaturnFX


You are making the exact same false assumption that all Christians hate Gays. You are proving my point for me, are you not?

Hate is not a part of being Christian and those who hate are not acting as Christians. If an Atheist hates Gay's and I'm sure some do, would you also say all Atheists hate Gays? That would be exactly the same thing you are trying to do here.

If you enter this topic honestly and without your bias, you will find that many Christians are live and let live, if not most Christians. Christian is a big word that covers many diverse points of view. There are even Gay Christian churches in fact and would you also denounce them?

Your real motivation would appear on the surface to be you dislike Christians for being Christian. It seems to me you only bring up the Gay issue to justify your dislike of Christians. Am I wrong? Or, are you OK with Christianity other than on the Gay issue?

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Originally posted by mythos

this limited view of Creation is rather daunting and fraught with blind absolutes, as is your generous doling of what is considered Evil. perfection? i cannot think of a more Human construct than that.

it is funny that you can put Wrath & Joy in the same post.


i will pray for you.

Perfection is not a Human construct, in fact we are incapable of attaining it, or even correctly perceiving it. Holiness, Righteousness, Perfection must all be borrowed from Christ if it is to be attributed to us at all.

And this is God's revelation not mine. I'd be more then happy to debate what is and is not correct theology. Or what has or has not been revealed by God to man. If I may ask, what do you consider to be a Source of True Knowledge in this fallen world??

Further, it is not hard to understand that God is complex enough to pour out wrath upon some while simultaneously being a limitless source of Joy to others. It appears to me anyway that God saw fit to create a world full of contrast and for good reason. With suffering we more fully appreciate joy. With Pain we can more fully understand genuine pleasure. Our knowledge of Evil gives us context to understand what is truly Good and what is the difference. Without Death we would not truly value Life. Without Sin we would not value Grace and the Savior who brings it.

I believe that Humans are created to serve Gods purpose and that in the end we will all perceive this purpose clearly. I'd be more then happy to hear your idea of what this purpose is(if you even believe in God in this way). For me, I perceive that Gods purpose is to Glorify Christ and that all of creation is working towards this over-arching purpose. In this even his Wrath is born out of his Love for Christs perfection and his own holiness, for he will not allow that which has been corrupted to enter into his eternal peace.

If you reject Christ and his message regarding our Sin and his salvation, if this is foolishness to you, then what do you embrace? What is your world view? if you are interested in continuing this conversation perhaps we should take it to private messages.. because this may well be considered off topic.

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Originally posted by mythos
reply to post by Deetermined

 

define for us your take on: Christianity & New age Christianity.

i am sure when Martin Luther tacked his 95 theses on that church door, they thought it was New Age Christianity as well.

Let me just start by saying, IN MY OPINION.....

- Christianity holds the Bible true. I think New Age Christianity twists it into whatever they want it to say.

- Christianity believes homosexuality is a sin. I don't think New Age Christianity does. In fact, you'll probably never even hear them mutter the word sin. If they do, they'll probably tell you that all was forgiven at the cross and there's no need to repent for those sins.

- Christianity teaches that leaders are held accountable for what they DO or DO NOT preach. New Age Christianity keeps it light and only preaches what they think people want to hear. If there's any negative side to Christianity (talk about sin), they'll leave it up to their followers to try and figure it out on their own as opposed to leading, guiding or discussing it with them in order not to appear negative.

- Christianity will teach you that Satan is real. I'm not sure New Age Christianity does. Feel free to correct me on this one if I'm wrong.

- Christianity teaches that there is no reincarnation. New Age Christianity teaches that there is.

I could go on, but these are the ones that first came to mind.

Apparently, some posters

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Stay on topic and no attacking of other members.

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As much as I hate the Christian religion...it is in thier Bible to be anti-homosexual. So i don't see how this is a suprise

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by subcsailor

 

Love the sinner but hate the sin is a bunch of crap.

Because in the end Christians still punish the sinner for doing something wrong in a sad attempt to get them to change their ways.

So I'm sorry, but I just can't see any difference.

I disagree.

I had a blind internet discussion with someone local to my area who said they were a Christian and homosexual too. We actually decided to get together for lunch face-to-face for me to get a first hand account of how and why he felt the way he did. The worst question I asked him was if he believed homosexuality was a sin, and he said yes. I didn't need to say or do another thing after that. When he told me his current circumstances, I knew God was working in his life and I didn't need to add my two cents.

Ironically enough, he told me that he had been praying for God to bring him a partner because he was feeling lonely in life. Unfortunately, his widowed brother had a heart attack and died. His brother had two young children with nowhere to go. This person took the children into his home and has dedicated his life to raising them. When you put others before yourself, God has a way of taking care of the rest for you. Needless to say, this person doesn't have time to think about sinning or being lonely at this point in time.