House Votes to Cut Food Stamps to Avoid Defense Reduction

reply to post by KillerQueen


With over 200,000 people getting ready to lose their un-employment and now they want to starve people?

Its time to start growing our own food!! Lets create more Farms and take care of ourselves!

And these effin idiots continue sending BILLIONS to these other countries! Un-effin-believable.

reply to post by KillerQueen


That is because the Congress is controlled by the Republicans.

And, there are wars, more wars, and rumors of war, countries to conquer, more people to kill and their resources to pillage for the almighty dollar which has become in actuality America's God.

The Southern and Western Democrats in the House are simply (IMO) Republicans wearing Democrat buttons. This is because of the way they vote and support Republican Policies.

They don't care about the people, they owe their allegiance to the military complex.

War, drugs, oil and prison are big money makers and he who has the most money makes the rules the rest of us must live by.

Welcome to the New World Order.

The Pentagon's ability to waste money is off the charts. It really exploded during the Reagan era. A typical example... and there are HUNDREDS.. is the the B-2 bomber. Originally projected to cost $550 million each, B-2's ended up costing $2.2 billion each-literally more than their weight in gold. In addition to mass weapons waste, tens of thousands of dollars an hour are used to to fly politicians, lobbyists and weapons contractors on pleasure trips. We have more Trident missiles than we could ever use, and nobody to aim them at. It should be obvious that the "defense" budget isn't based on any rational calculation of what the defense of this country actually requires-it's based on what US arms manufacturers can get away with (almost anything, it turns out).

Why does Congress allow this to happen? Why do our legislators put up with military waste and fraud? For the same reason they do anything. Defense PACs give members of Congress many millions. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) was one of the one of the top ten recipients of PAC contributions.

Fair and balanced as opposed to “arrogant and creepy” would be for Republicans and the food stamp-cutting supporters to expect all levels of society that benefit from government legislation and funding to share the burden. Taking funding away from the most vulnerable Americans is an act of political cowardice. Play hardball with the people who have a powerful lobby — not the disadvantaged whom are growing in number yet paradoxically “out of sight and out of mind”. (Apparently, they also assume none of them read the newspapers!)

These political hacks are going to start losing more and more elections because they’ve proven that in the most protracted time of “jobless recovery” ever to hit the history books they’re woefully out of touch with the plight of the under employed and unemployed — and stunningly incapable of advancing a vision for revitalizing this country’s decaying infrastructure.

Let’s see… We need jobs and we need modernization projects if we hope to prime our infrastructure for economic growth. If neither the Republicans nor the Obama Administration can come up with any leadership on the jobs/infrastructure front, that ought to tell voters everything they need to know: They’re all cut from the same unimaginative cloth and they ALL deserve the electoral boot for their utter disconnect and incompetence.

It’s no longer the realm of alarmist conspiracy, folks: We’ve reached a point in time where the elite govern for the elite and no one else. It’s blatant!

Time for an unemployment campaign against political incumbents who blame the formerly middle class for their need of food. Food prices have inflated by 40% in recent years thanks to legislation that has invited greater commodities speculation coupled with fed monetary policy that’s hell-bent on infusing liquidity on Wall Street at the expense of our buying and savings power. What with 30-some years of incremental line-my-own-pockets, woefully lopsided “free trade”, it’s no wonder anti-American economic policies are creating more and more government dependents. Nobody likes it. But as long as they are going to engineer a poorer and poorer society, socialism will be the only “solution” to years of undercutting domestic wages, jobs and tax revenues.

It’s high noon on the Great American Experiment. Time for a long, hard look at why such social programs are in higher demand in the first place. Time we started fixing causes rather than symptoms!

If you, as an elected “civil servant”, can’t ask your powerful friends to share the pain after your policies enabled them to gain the gains, you’re guilty of crony capitalism.

These politicians know no shame!

Voters need to show up in droves in the upcoming elections to upset this rotten apple cart until every last one of these lawmakers understand who they answer to.


And my household does not get food stamps, I know many (most with children) that do and no they don't spend their food stamps on drugs or booze.

Now, if the Republicans are trying to dump even more money into the military, what do they have planned?

Where do their priorities lie?

Don't we have enough WMD already?

We have a Republican controlled Congress folks and this is what happens when the Republicans are given control. I watched them vote on the Congressional Channel.

Hopefully the real Democratically controlled Senate will block this.

Read my location.

Now, they don't even bother to hide it.

Many people that were just a few years ago, "the Middle Class" now depend of food stamps because our government has allowed the huge corporations to hand our jobs over to "off shore" citizens.

reply to post by KillerQueen

I was with ya, right up to the moment you had to make it partisan with GOP seemingly the whole issue. It's fortunate then, we live in a nation where Democrats still hold the power to pass or not pass something in absolute terms. If it happens, it happened because the Dems allowed it to. Complete control of the Senate and the White House insure that is true.

Likewise, with just 1 house controlled, it does require the GOP to at least agree with virtually everything or it won't happen in that direction.

In short, America requires BOTH parties to agree for ANYTHING to happen of any importance whatever. Fancy press conferences and idiots making statements from both parties aside, that's the plain reality of how it stands today.

Originally posted by charles1952

Old Age Pensions $1017.3 Billion
Health Care $1080.1 Billion
Education $ 941.0 Billion
Welfare $ 679.2 Billion
Total $3,717.6 Billion

Other stuff $1,818.1 Billion

Defense $ 716.3 Billion

P.s. Forgive me if I left out the point. We are already handing much more than five times our military budget to people for their welfare.

Social Security and Medicare are not welfare. It's money the government confiscated from hard working people's paychecks and must pay back.

That kind of news would usualy be the norm coming out of somewhere like North Korea....sad to see it coming from the US.

CX.

This is completely retarded. The last thing we need is to spend more money on national defense - which involves going to war with countries we have no business going to war with - and to cut social programs during an economic crisis while doing it.

Not only is this inhumane, it will probably contribute at least somewhat towards civil unrest, something that is much more of a threat to national security than not having enough money to invade other countries. In fact, spending money on invading other countries is probably something that increases the threat level against our country, as well.

There is no logic here, only greed and corruption.

The defense of America is one of the very few things the U.S. government should be involved in. Unemployment, food stamps, welfare, and the hundreds of other wealth redistribution programs should not exist. Period. They have perpetuated the problem for so long now it is out of control. Why do poor inner city single moms have 5 kids? Because they get cash for it. Why do illegals pour over the southern border by the millions? They get cash for it.

reply to post by Apollo7

Why should people pay taxes to our government if they abandon us as soon as some little thing happens and we are temporarily sick. Governments were created to provide basic services for people. They are supposed to provide security and make sure that food reserves are created to provide for emergencies. These reserves need to be rotated and the rotation allows for food for the poor and needy. Our country has got all screwed up, foodstamps and other programs were created to provide income for corporations. If you have everything you need you don't want to work anymore. Create jobs like the CETA program utilizing government programs instead of giving people unemployment for three years. Haven't we learned anything from the past?

We need to give some commodities and some food stamps out to people and address the issue of people abusing these programs and still have kids going hungry. Limitations on expensive foods bought with foodstamps should be implemented. No T-bone or porterhouse steaks who's costs are double of what regular meat costs. No ten dollar plus a pound fish, shrimp, or lobster. Many families buy the best quality foods with their stamps and then starve for a week. Limit the foods to cheaper foods. If they want to get high class food go work harder.

This isn't discrimination, I worked hard during my working years and couldn't afford these high price things. I bought foods that were in season because they were cheaper. The people with foodstamps were buying better foods than I could afford and their kids many times wind up eating crap at the end of the month.

[color=#FF0000]Beware of Democrats and Republicans!! They are all PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS. Millionaires and lawyers looking out for themselves and their kin while screwing the average American. Americans can never be free until they rid themselves of CRIMINAL GANGSTERS who have to band together in bands called parties which are no better than MS13, The Latin Kings, or any other number of illegal criminal enterprises that prey on the weak and unwary.

Americans need to elect CITIZEN STATESMEN who are not beholding to criminal gangsters who give them backing and financing.
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CITIZEN STATESMEN who are not PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS and who love America more than they love power and money.

CITIZEN STATESMEN who will represent us instead of Lobbyists for corporations who ply them with under the table cash and benefits.

CITIZEN STATESMEN who will represent us instead of RULING OVER US.

[color=#3333FF]Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. It is a dirty, soiled currency backed by graft and greed that will no longer purchase honest representation for the American voter and taxpayer.

The true patriot is not the man who defends a corrupt government. The true patriot is the man who defends the Constitution from that corrupt government.

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by buster2010
This really shows what kind of anti American scum we have running our government. No money to help Americans but we can spend billions killing people who never did anything to us just so we can protect those who spy, steal and murder Americans. Everyone of these traitors need to be lined up and shot.

While I can empathise with your anger, shooting people is not going to solve the current problem.

Urban Farming

Growing Power

The answers are out there, people. When the government fails you, you have to step up to the plate. This is being done by people in cities all over America. Get involved, and leave the myopia of the military industrial complex behind. That problem, like all problems, will eventually solve itself.

Yes shooting people will help our problem because the only thing scum like this fears more than losing their money is losing their lives. So if we were to put a few hundred of them against the wall the rest will run to toe the line.

I agree that micro farming will help a lot of people but not everyone has the room or is able to maintain a garden.

Where did you get the idea that if you turn a blind eye away from a problem it will go away? The problems will will just get bigger if they aren't dealt with and there is only one way to deal with it. With no mercy.

reply to post by The Old American

The last time the U.S. had to defend itself from a foreign power was in 1868. The only thing we're "defending" now is oil interests.

So I guess having the most powerful military in the world hasn’t kept us safe? It hasn’t deterred other nations from attacking us?

We’d either be dead right now or have missiles pointed at us from South America if not for our known ability to annihilate any adversary. Predators prey on the weak not the strong and dangerous. I don’t advocate any move that weakens our nation and I make no apologies for that position.

Look, I’m all about defunding illegal wars. I’m also in favor of impeaching any president who goes to war without a declaration from congress unless we’re attacked first. However, cutting US defense spending at a time when others are building their capabilities doesn’t make sense. The world is a dangerous place...

Besides, we don’t need more welfare; we need more independence and self reliance in this country.

reply to post by seabag


The Soviet Union spent so much on Defense trying to keep up with the US that they went tits up. We do not need bases in every corner of the globe. When dad was in the Navy and Air Force, we moved every two to three years at the expense of the government. This cost a HUGE amount of money when you consider that everyone in the military is subject to this. It costs even more, when you are moving to an overseas location.

Not every penny the Pentagon spends is directly related to the defense of the nation. Yet Congresscritters and Senators treat the Pentagon/Defense budget like some kind of sacred cow.

We are NOT Team America World Police. We only need enough military to defend ourselves. We do not need military solely for the purpose of making defense contractors fabulously wealthy.

reply to post by KillerQueen


This could be the pen stroke heard round the world.

A starving man has nothing left to lose.

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by buster2010
This really shows what kind of anti American scum we have running our government. No money to help Americans but we can spend billions killing people who never did anything to us just so we can protect those who spy, steal and murder Americans. Everyone of these traitors need to be lined up and shot.

While I can empathise with your anger, shooting people is not going to solve the current problem.

Urban Farming

Growing Power

The answers are out there, people. When the government fails you, you have to step up to the plate. This is being done by people in cities all over America. Get involved, and leave the myopia of the military industrial complex behind. That problem, like all problems, will eventually solve itself.

I have been less than impressed with a lot of your posts....except this one. Well said. Time to get off your buns and make it happen. Thats what this country has always been about. somehow in the last 20 years everyone forgot.


"The answers are out there, people. When the government fails you, you have to step up to the plate."

Originally posted by rickymouse
There is something going on here. They want to cut money from the poor but won't touch the money from the wasteful unneeded projects that they issue. Stuff like funding road replacement projects that aren't necessary or paying in advance for technology research which is obsolete before they acquire the product. Don't pay for research, buy the product after it is completed. The government is so bullwinked that it's ridiculous. Let competition be the reason for technical advancement. Let the little guy get in there and have a swing. Otherwise they are going to surpass the government programs shortly and the government is going to get left behind.

The year of 2012 is the year of awakening. It is also evident to note that it is the begining of the decline of intellect of the greedy and those who hold their intelligence above others. Only the smart that are also good at heart will retain their communication abilities. The frequency is changing, The script is being rewrote, the meek shall now inherit the world.

the meek get killed, and the most ruthless and wealthy are the ones that benefit.... in 2012, nothing changes, it's just something else that certain people are going to profit from. my concern is that there will be enough provacatuers that incite violence, that it will lead to an america becoming a complete right-wing police state.

it's like the old story: "we had to choos between food and weapons. good news is, you people are not gonna get fat next winter..."

How did we get to the point when so many people think the purpose of our government is to provide handouts for everyone?

I 'm not in favor of endless wars, either, but the EXPECTATION that so many posters in this thread have that we MUST continue giving out handouts is sickening to me.

The Federal Government was never intended to be Americans' caretaker. This is the job of states and communities.

Instead of complaining about my post, read this from history:

It should have surprised no one, therefore, when Cleveland vetoed the Texas Seed Bill early in 1887. This legislation appropriated $10,000—a trifling sum even in those days—to allow the Commissioner of Agriculture to purchase seed grain for distribution to farmers in certain counties of Texas that had suffered from drought.4 The president’s veto message read in part as follows:

I can find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution; and I do not believe that the power and duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit. A prevalent tendency to disregard the limited mission of this power and duty should, I think, be steadily resisted, to the end that the lesson should be constantly enforced that, though the people support the Government, the Government should not support the people.5

www.thefreemanonline.org...

It is not the federal government's job to feed America. Period.

reply to post by Lord Jules
[the POTUS let air force one go or the suite case? I think not, the bill just might have the funding for them in it, let the poor starve or let go of the box, and stay on the ground, oh yea forget about MARINE ONE, it too is funded in the bill] Not saying it is in the bill, but the possibility is there, if he The POTUS can force the hand of the house and senate, so too can the house and senate force the Hand of the POTUS.

Congress, who is to represent the people, can only be accessed favorably by purchasing a vote.

The last few road signs on this journey to the end read insanity.