Death by UFO!

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by bluestreak53

 

Here is a very interesting account of a man from Vancouver Island who's disappearance was linked to his obsession with UFOs.

Granger Taylor's disappearance

I've got a copy of UFO-Joe's site on my hard-drive and missed this account. If it's true, it's pretty interesting. There doesn't seem to be enough details to make a decision on the authenticity of the story. The wikipedia implies he died by explosives but who knows?

I think the Victoria Times Colonist newspaper can be taken as 99.9% reliable - meaning the story has more validity than 99.99% of the stories posted to ATS!

I think UFO Joe may have borrowed the content from UFOBC - here is their link:
Granger Taylor's disappearance

Anyways, not sure why you seem to doubt the authenticity of the report? The guy was obviously VERY obsessed with UFOs, building a flying saucer in his yard and sleeping in it. The fact he left a note saying he was going to meet a flying saucer (because he had a recurring dream) is interesting, but aside from the unsolved disappearance, it isn't THAT unusual. Lots of people disappear every year - although few say they are going away for a ride on a flying saucer.

There is really nothing in that Mount Sicker story on Wikipedia to verify any connection with the Granger Taylor story - (no reference, nothing - could be something totally made up).

I think I'll trust the Victoria Times Colonist over a two line anonymous post with no source on Wikipedia.

Really interesting and well-put-together thread, Kandinsky. Very much reminded me of something Dr. J. Allen Hynek said in his remarks before the House Committee on Science and Astronautics:

Up to this point I have not discussed another major impediment to the acceptance of the UFO phenomenon as legitimate material for scientific study. I refer to the adoption of the UFO phenomenon by certain segments of the public for their own peculiar uses. From the very start there have been psychically unbalanced individuals and pseudoreligious cultist groups -- and they persist in force today -- who found in the UFO picture an opportunity to further their own fanciful cosmic and religious beliefs and who find solace and hope in the pious belief that UFO's carry kindly space brothers whose sole aim is a mission of salvation.

Such people "couldn't care less" about documentation, scientific study, and careful critical consideration. The conventions and meetings these people hold, and the literature they purvey, can only be the subject of derisive laughter and, I must stress, it is a most serious mistake for anyone to confuse this unfortunate aspect of the total UFO phenomenon with the articulate reports made by people who are unmistakably serious and make their reports out of a sense of civic duty and an abiding desire to know the cause of their experience.

It may not be amiss here to remark in passing that the "true believers" I have just referred to are rarely that ones who make UFO reports. Their beliefs do not need factual support. The reporters of the truly baffling UFO's, on the other hand, are most frequently disinterested or even skeptical people who are taken by surprise by an experience they cannot understand.

Source

Another interesting disappearance linked to UFOs, is the 1953 disappearance of UFO buffs, Karl Hunrath and Wilbur Wilkinson. The two men were associates of noted "contactee" George Adamski - who was one of the most notorious of the contactees, himself claiming to have met aliens in a landed ship (most of his sensational claims are widely believed to be hoaxes).

Hunrath and Wilkinson had rather recently move to LA from Wisconsin, and were pursueing some rather eccentric UFO related studies - channelling aliens, documenting drawing of cryptic glyphs, etc. Hunrath was involved in the invention of a device which he claimed could be used to "bring down airplanes". (I guess the authorities were pretty blase about those things back then). The two men rented an aircraft from a Los Angeles area airport, leaving a note that they were going to meet a flying saucer. They were never seen again. There seems to be no record the men and the aircraft were ever found.

Nick Redfern is interested in the story and may be including it in an upcoming book (I know he has investigated it but I'm not sure if he has found anything new and interesting).

He posted this article recently:
Kinapped by a Flyng Saucer?

reply to post by bluestreak53


thanks for the fine editing job, I usually just pull these things out of my ass.getting too old to go back and check the addresses anymore......mixed up the two planes i guess...theres been a helluva lot of real ufo deaths....that boffin from Nova Scotia claims four hundred lost us aurcraft by now....
But i believe the strangest ones are the Human mutes.....there have been some reported along with deer cattle sheep and various other animals both domestic and wild.
Brazil has a case on record, but long ago when i read about it there was some indication that it was 12-13 people that were eventually found looking like cattle mutes.
I did see a photo of one guy....
This occured in White Sands NM also to an airman, a corporal i think, he was out in the desert with an officer seeking lost rocket parts from previous launches.they split up to check this sand dune, and the officer heard the corporal yell....he came over the top in time to see the saucer flee the scene...the corporal was gone too....
needless to say, he reported the dissapearance and was promptly arrested for murder
The search party found the body three days later...it was returned to a spot theyd already looked and they had to release the officer...the body was mutilated like the cattle as well.......
The applewhaite type of ufo deaths, i attribute to the same mania that Mary Baker Eddy had or perhaps Joseph Smith....or any other end of the world prophet.....
I did however enjoy the thread Kandinsky and hope i have added a few more deaths by UFO....
When you think about it , everybodys crazy enough to die for something at one point in their life or other......

Not to be off topic but does nayone have any idea what was up with the $5 bill and 3 quarters found in the pockets of the Heaven's Gate members when they were found dead. Was the UFO going to charge a pick-fee?

reply to post by Kandinsky

Are you ready for no electricity? On june 5th the transit of venus happens. venus has an ionic tail that is 49 mill kilom long, on june 5th the earth will be some 40 mill kilom from venus, it is called the return of the plumed serpent. Go onto spaceweather.com and go to revised cme data and you will see animation that shows the position of venus relative to the earth. At present the kepler space craft is in line with sun and venus therefore the likelyhood of the kepler space craft losing contact(shorting out) should happen within two days. Again it is the ionic tail of venus which is called the plumed serpent. I would suggest all people pray that the sun is quiet during transit or a coronal mass ejection emp will shut down all electrical devices, this needs to be global conscience awareness. I base info on FACTS not conjecture. Stop worrying about ufos and become educated and aware of what IS COMING.

Really enjoyed reading the OP Kandisky, thanks for putting in the time and effort in it.

I don't think your OP invalidates UFO sightings that people have (you stated that you've seen things yourself you could not explain). Just that at times, certain groups of people get so caught up in certain things they believe in, that it can actually lead to their ruin, or as you pointed even death.

Again, thanks for the read. I really enjoy finding a well though out OP that is put together, and not just some YouTube video with a one line sentence saying: "You guys have to check this out!"

Non-Disclosure policy outside the Military or Special Operations Internal Affairs and Interpole on all Alien Technologies that are being developed and that would be at my own request if not others... I have had 3 different types of implants in my neck in one week. Let me keep control please as I already know Chaos.

Very well written and put together topic, it was a good read and made me aware of incidents I have never read about before.

It's amazing how fragile the human mind can be when ones psychological condition is degraded to the point that the human brain will accept anything other than the honest truth.

reply to post by Kandinsky


When I read the tittle Death by UFO I thought it would be something along the lines of people being vaporized or mutilated for parts by a passing saucer. But it seems those are not so easily classified as the things your talking about.

I think all that you listed are some sort of cults, and if were going to judge it by those parameters then in a way everything in history were a bunch of people chose to do some crazy # and kill themselves or others for there believes, imaginary friends, gods, ets, ghosts, whatever then the list would be much more long then this.

But what makes you think that they all were not actually under the influence of these so called "aliens" the themes seem to be the same in all cases. Hmm a sort of pattern does kind of show does it not? Doom the world is about to end, only the chosen can escape the fate, mysterious beings be they aliens gods, feathered serpents, ghosts, whatnot, promise a way out if you follow there way or there prophets, only one catch you must sacrifice yourself and others to attain nirvana or go on the spaceship ride to planet zuzu up there in heaven...Does any of this sound familiar? It should! It has been done throughout history, it must be a coincidence that these things so conveniently just randomly pop up all throughout history. Right?

In fact in a way all that these aliens promised there chosen few, did come true. The world did end...for them. The evil world was out to get them...more like contain and corner off the infected cells, a natural defense mechanism in anything. And oh yes they and there souls did reach another worldly ethereal plain....They were chosen, or raptured or harvested or whatever you want to call it.....Just you know! Not exactly like they thought they would be or they envisioned.

You wanna look at history bro, people have been jumping off cliffs and killing themselves and each other for a variety of bizarre reasons for eons, even into prehistory that is nothing but myth now, people have gone bonkers for this or that alien, god, all powerful entity and the blood has flown like a river throughout history, some like the Mayan and others in history like clockwork sacrificed others to there gods or feathered serpents like clockwork every year. In fact here is a somber thought, what if there actually are entities that do feed off these type of things....And what if all the crazy people you hear kill themselves over these crazy theories, is not the only way these entities have on feeding...What of some of them are mainstream and well established?

So much so that there not even questioned as being anything but the norm. How do you distinguish the norm, from the not norm? And what is the norm but a well established pattern. And since its just an established pattern then pretty much anything given time can become the norm. Ah! but then the question still remains, who established the oh so normal pattern? Because after all, as we know things just magically happen by themselves without no work done behind the scenes what so ever.

Twilight zone and outer limits stuff no doubt...The only thing I will say about this, is the same I have been saying for a while. No matter who it is or what, even your friendly neighborhood politician or trusted confidential buddy, or even if some god beams his voice in your head telling you to do this and that.

If they tell you to jump off the cliff or any nutty thing, or whatever trick they come up with....Think twice and look both ways before crossing that street, because it almost always 99% of the time leads to a dead end.

Now if we start seeing saucers and other things flying around frying things and people...Then it may be time to panic, because that is actually death by Unidentified Flying Object, or UFO for short.

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'Posted at 11:11 AM'

I have to ask: Did you do this to intentionally mindfrick the 'new-agers', or was it just a very ironic coincidence?

reply to post by Kandinsky


Great thread so far. Star for you. Now it's time to finish reading.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird

But what makes you think that they all were not actually under the influence of these so called "aliens" the themes seem to be the same in all cases. Hmm a sort of pattern does kind of show does it not? Doom the world is about to end, only the chosen can escape the fate, mysterious beings be they aliens gods, feathered serpents, ghosts, whatnot, promise a way out if you follow there way or there prophets, only one catch you must sacrifice yourself and others to attain nirvana or go on the spaceship ride to planet zuzu up there in heaven...Does any of this sound familiar? It should! It has been done throughout history, it must be a coincidence that these things so conveniently just randomly pop up all throughout history. Right?

There's a tradition of channeling that might be somewhere near to being as old as human culture. This form of communication crosses religious and cultural belief-systems so there's as much chance a Tibetan monk is doing it as some wacky guy like Bashar >>


An English called Joe Fisher was drawn into this subject whilst investigating past-lives. Here's an excerpt from the book. Eventually, the channeling group introduced him to *Filipa* and he actually came to love her. This set off a 3 year series of discussions with her that included a form of spoken Greek that was identified by a University Professor. The dialect was so old and obscure that it isn't spoken any more. This kind of detail caused Joe to commit himself to the belief that 'guides' were there to help and advise him.

For a book, he took off to Greece to get the proof of Filipa and be able announce to the world that he'd proven an after-life. Despite giving him specific details - he found out that they were inaccurate and plain BS. He lost his trust, faith and belief in these messengers.

Returning to England, he had a conversation with two of these 'guides' and told them everything was false. He asked if they were aspects of the sub-conscious of the channelers.

They lied more and accused him of being a bad researcher - blamed him.

He left the group and turned his back on channeling and the purported entities like Filipa. Tragically, his perception of reality had been so bruised and distorted by these events that he found it hard to keep living. He felt that *Filipa* was continuing to negatively influence his life. In part wanting to confront her, he took his own life by leaping from a cliff.

Whether the entities were real, imagined or figments of someone's sub-conscious is for others to guess at. However it shows that messages from unseen 'guides' or 'aliens' can be damaging to the psychology and mental well-being of those involved. If you think about it, they only bring embarrassment, failed prophecies and BS facts. They all talk like motivational T-shirts and actually say nothing of importance.

Wow! This is good thread and damn its kind of scary how mad people can go..

This is simply a GREAT post as far as "denying ignorance" is concerned. I sometimes shake my head after reading certain beliefs and opinions, mainly because they are devoid of anything even resembling logic. People who fall into the category of gullible believers of this new-age junk should remember what you point out, that these "prophets" or "channelers" have a 0% success rate...That is even worse than probability would dictate, lol. That is saying something if you ask me.

Originally posted by Kandinsky


If we’re honest, deep down, many men and women believe they’re great lovers, undiscovered sporting heroes and amazing singers.

But....wait...You mean I'm NOT all those things?!?!

Ufos don't kill people.


Kooks do.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by galadofwarthethird

 

But what makes you think that they all were not actually under the influence of these so called "aliens" the themes seem to be the same in all cases. Hmm a sort of pattern does kind of show does it not? Doom the world is about to end, only the chosen can escape the fate, mysterious beings be they aliens gods, feathered serpents, ghosts, whatnot, promise a way out if you follow there way or there prophets, only one catch you must sacrifice yourself and others to attain nirvana or go on the spaceship ride to planet zuzu up there in heaven...Does any of this sound familiar? It should! It has been done throughout history, it must be a coincidence that these things so conveniently just randomly pop up all throughout history. Right?

There's a tradition of channeling that might be somewhere near to being as old as human culture. This form of communication crosses religious and cultural belief-systems so there's as much chance a Tibetan monk is doing it as some wacky guy like Bashar >>

An English called Joe Fisher was drawn into this subject whilst investigating past-lives. Here's an excerpt from the book. Eventually, the channeling group introduced him to *Filipa* and he actually came to love her. This set off a 3 year series of discussions with her that included a form of spoken Greek that was identified by a University Professor. The dialect was so old and obscure that it isn't spoken any more. This kind of detail caused Joe to commit himself to the belief that 'guides' were there to help and advise him.

For a book, he took off to Greece to get the proof of Filipa and be able announce to the world that he'd proven an after-life. Despite giving him specific details - he found out that they were inaccurate and plain BS. He lost his trust, faith and belief in these messengers.

Returning to England, he had a conversation with two of these 'guides' and told them everything was false. He asked if they were aspects of the sub-conscious of the channelers.

They lied more and accused him of being a bad researcher - blamed him.

He left the group and turned his back on channeling and the purported entities like Filipa. Tragically, his perception of reality had been so bruised and distorted by these events that he found it hard to keep living. He felt that *Filipa* was continuing to negatively influence his life. In part wanting to confront her, he took his own life by leaping from a cliff.

Whether the entities were real, imagined or figments of someone's sub-conscious is for others to guess at. However it shows that messages from unseen 'guides' or 'aliens' can be damaging to the psychology and mental well-being of those involved. If you think about it, they only bring embarrassment, failed prophecies and BS facts. They all talk like motivational T-shirts and actually say nothing of importance.

Very interesting points...there's a good documentary about Tibetan Buddhism Channeling which I'll post. I really like the Dalai Lama's take on the whole thing...he respects the tradition, but doesn't let the channeled 'entities' guide his decisions...he gives them no more weight than any of his other advisers, and in the end weighs all the options and makes up his own mind.

You are making a terrible mistake to put 'new-agers' 'alien-cultists' 'believers who take it religiously' and open minded, objective, unbiased people unlike you, who do not easily disregard all the material existing about the topic

You are saying i am insulting everyone's intelligence, aren't you doing exactly the same with this thread? Do you really think all who are not ignorants or converted ignorants like you, are some nutjobs who take the topic as religion?

Do you all 'wannab-skeptics' think this is taken religiously? Do not put all under the same flag.