Charles Manson - "nutjob" or something more?

reply to post by Phage


No Phage, this is an area where you aren't the dominant expert I believe.

You are speaking to a long haired, bearded, in touch with "the Force" kind of guy here.
Manson is an imprisoned, maniacal, repressed consciousness. He is way off from the general population at a certain point, He is what I'd consider "emphatically enlightened" because of his experiences.

He isn't what the MSM has portrayed him to be, a calculated mastermind, he is no more "guilty" of 3rd party crimes than George Bush and Dick Cheney are.

Charley is too far gone to reenter reality IMHO, but he is an example of what any of us can become over time and under similar conditions.

reply to post by JibbyJedi

Charley is too far gone to reenter reality IMHO, but he is an example of what any of us can become over time and under similar conditions.

No. There have been many who have been through worse.

I think he is sad.

I think he learned POWER in prison and in his life, early on.
He's not a genius. He's powerful, because he learned how to connect with people and manipulate them.
That doesn't make him a genius. That in itself doesn't make him anything but powerful- he could have probably been a great politician or salesman had his life taken a totally different path and he learned to connect with love and compassion and not merely predatory will.

I doubt- personally- that he meant for things to get out of control to the point they did. I think he got in a situation with a lot of powerful drugs and he was talking a lot of crap, like one of those tank firecrackers that gets lit up and thrown down on the floor and it spins and throws sparks all over the place as it hisses.

That sort of frenzy, in a magical sense, is quite dangerous. His hatred in a drug induced frenzy, being fed power by weak willed, lost souls, brought his crap ramblings to life, and manifested pure evil.

He isn't a genius. He's a conduit. I doubt he really meant all that to really happen, but it did, and it came into the world, through him.

hes just a guy who manipulated a bunch of kids with drugs and lies and all that good stuff.... How is he a genius in any way? Geniuses stay outta prison..... they dont get caught..

reply to post by JibbyJedi
You might be right. On the other hand, his juvenile crimes would indicate an inevitable path heading towards murder. He *thought* he had murdered the drug dealer. Didn't seem to bother him a bit...

Now, are you suggesting incarceration, in itself, made him what he is? Or, would you agree, it's what he was already that placed him in the prison population?

A dangerous liability waiting to happen.

reply to post by Kandinsky

A dangerous liability waiting to happen.

No.
Poor Charlie is a victim of society.
Just ask him.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by JibbyJedi

 

You might be right. On the other hand, his juvenile crimes would indicate an inevitable path heading towards murder. He *thought* he had murdered the drug dealer. Didn't seem to bother him a bit...

Now, are you suggesting incarceration, in itself, made him what he is? Or, would you agree, it's what he was already that placed him in the prison population?

A dangerous liability waiting to happen.

I think he had the hatred to start with, and learned about power in prison. I get the feeling he was probably punked to heck and back his first go round. I doubt seriously he ever loved to start with.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by JibbyJedi

 

Charley is too far gone to reenter reality IMHO, but he is an example of what any of us can become over time and under similar conditions.

No. There have been many who have been through worse.

edit on 5/9/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Worse on "the inside"? Yeah of course. His infamy has saved his ass countless times, I'm talking about his mind. I've listened to all his interviews, the man is in pain, mentally suffering. The MSM has used him as a figure head trophy case for maniacal injustice and mindless slaughter, when if you get to know the man, you can see the obvious exaggeration of the facts.

The rest is sheer torture of an open mind. A man who was destitute and embedded into the lower class lifestyle. A petty thief, a mindless barbarian at some levels. I don't give him sympathy, I give him empathy. What a life to have lived, what a story to have told, and what sn experience it must have been to be made into an imaginary monster.

The guy is harmless. Now, who knows, but back then, far less extreme than the media portrayed him to be. I feel bad for the guy.

reply to post by JibbyJedi

The guy is harmless.

Good. And he will be for the rest of his life.
Good. He deserves no sympathy. No admiration. He is slime. He manipulated weak minds. If you believe otherwise, he has manipulated yours.

Actually I just thought of something.

This is very provoking (warning):

We're all waiting for the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Now imagine he returns and starts talking like... well like Jesus would do. "And I can heal this", "hear my word that", Etc,. We would be calling him crazy!

So the "prophet" the other poster talked about is actually very good food for thought: Manson hes so... different from everything we know and uphold, that we call him "crazy" and almost "alien". But what if Jesus came back right now and told everyone he was Jesus... in this society noone would believe him and we would lock him along with the rest of the crazies.

Imagine that if he was a "messiah", he would act just like he does - he would have lost faith in humanity, he would joke around with the fact that we was sent and nothing happened, nothing was saved, his coming was useless and this was nothing but a very very bad joke, a final destination, a lost battle. He would be in total desperation and look at everyone else with that "you fools..." look.

I think there is a lot we can get from studying manson. He really deserves to be studied.

reply to post by Outofcontrol

He really deserves to be studied.

Sure. Like the vile creature he is.

Originally posted by Outofcontrol
Imagine that if he was a "messiah"

No, because he isn't. He's not a genius. You're building him up way more than what he deserves.. He's a loony guy who plotted to murder people.. You can walk down the city streets and find tons of bums exactly like him, some even smarter. The only difference is that they aren't famous for murdering people.

Go find one of them that is more interesting.. The Manson thing is rather played out.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by JibbyJedi

 

The guy is harmless.

Good. And he will be for the rest of his life.
Good. He deserves no sympathy. No admiration. He is slime. He manipulated weak minds. If you believe otherwise, he has manipulated yours.

edit on 5/9/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

No. He is not "slime". He is a human being, just like you, under different circumstances.
If he was really slime, what would be the point of psychology and the attempts to understand such minds? His mind is a puzzle that needed to be cracked. I found it to be tame in comparison to many who never got TV fame but werte far more evil and ruthless.

How is he so different from G. Bush and/or Dick Cheney in MHO.

What in your bag of debunk justifies this act of "slime"-

The U.S., with Truman's approval, dropped an atomic bomb on the people of Hiroshima on Aug. 6 and one on Nagasaki on Aug. 9, 1945.

I believe I can "rank" one man's actions far more horrific than another's, who is respected by millions.

reply to post by JibbyJedi

How is he so different from G. Bush and/or Dick Cheney in MHO.

Manson's in prison.

You are comparing World War II to Charlie Manson? Wow. He really did get to you.
He's subhuman slime.

I only talked to Charlie once (at a hot-springs in saline valley ca)and the rest of the "family" was not around.

But i know a number of people that were around when the family was together and he acted different when the group was around him.

There are still a couple of the family members around the area (trona calif) and they are still strange and some of them still go to Corcoran State Prison to see Charlie.

Manson is the result of way too much acid. He has seen society from a completely different view point, as an eternal outsider. He was really quite a petty criminal, and was throughout his life, treated very poorly by the system.
His rhetoric is laced with messianic delusions, that make us think he may just be on to something. His trial in the Tate murders was a farce, and a miscarriage of justice, that ironically reinforced his criticism of the 'system'.
I have do not doubt that he is a grand manipulator. During his trial he completely challenged the notions of guilt and innocence and I think if he were inclined to tow the line, he would have been acquitted. He challenged the status quo, to such an extent that made his 'sacrifice' unavoidable.

He is the warning of the reasons for the prophesied apocalypse.

Helter skelter.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by JibbyJedi

 

How is he so different from G. Bush and/or Dick Cheney in MHO.

Manson's in prison.

You are comparing World War II to Charlie Manson? Wow. He really did get to you.
He's subhuman slime.

edit on 5/9/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I wouldn't say "He got to me" more like "I listened to him".

Have you? Probably not 100%. I gave the guy my time. I liked him. Geraldo ruined the illusion the MSM wanted to portray him as.

I'm not saying the guy should be a school teacher, but he shouldn't be discarded either.

Maybe he's gotten to me. If you were wrongly accused, I'd hope you'd get to me too if you were innocent of your crimes which I think he is.\\

Charles Manson is a die in the wool anarchist, no one seems to ask him what Paradise would be, they just feed off of the crazy they can elate of him, its easy from our current paradigm to judgement, but what if he was operating from an advanced mindset?

Outofcontrol
My thoughts on Charles Manson...
I think Manson has a magnetic personality and used his charisma and magnetic personality to manipulate others..

He sufferers from antisocial personality disorder, a disorder that makes the sufferer unable to feel remorse for their actions and lack a conscience...

Just listening to him on the videos he sounds like a nut-case he is smart enough to know the more he acts out the more attention he gets..

He likes it in prison he gets 3 square meals and a roof over his head..I'm glad he will never step foot out of prison he is right were he belongs in my eyes the guy is a real piece of work i have a name for him but i wont say it..
Thats a cop out so yes i will say it he is a scumbag..
peace,sugarcookie1

reply to post by Outofcontrol

He's a manipulative beast, a pathological liar. That's what beasts like him do.
Don't be fooled.
His eyes look evil to me.
When he laughs he is mocking. It's sickening.

He shows no remorse whatsoever. He feels wronged, that's the beast hissing, getting angry at the very question, and that exactly where he demonstrates he isn't fit to live amongst society.
I'm not either because I wanted to whack him in the head when he talked like that.
He should never be paroled. Never.