North Carolina Voters Pass Same-Sex Marriage Ban

Originally posted by Carseller4
Going to be pretty embarrassing for Obama to lose a state where he is holding his convention.

North Carolina gays still have the right to get married. They can do what Obama (the first gay president according to Newsweek) did, marry a member of the opposite sex.

Equal rights for all, Special rights for none.

edit on 14-5-2012 by Carseller4 because: (no reason given)

Equal rights: heterosexuals are now no longer allowed to marry who they love. They are now forced to marry someone that they don't love and aren't attracted to in the least. If they are currently married to the one they love, that marriage is now considered null and void. Now it's equal to what homosexuals have.

Originally posted by RyanFromCan

The sad reality is, the gay community of today is in the same place as the black community was in the 60's, I think the little poster I posted above pretty much sums up the situation. many of the same arguments are being used today, as was used then, for the same closed minded ignorant and bigoted reasons.

Yes - I graduated high school the year the Civil Rights Act was passed.

It was the same "atmosphere" and the same people opposing Marriage Equality.

reply to post by Xtrozero


Not yet, we contacted our congresswoman and her office said we should be contacted for an interview very soon within the next couple of weeks...we'll see.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by Carseller4
Going to be pretty embarrassing for Obama to lose a state where he is holding his convention.

North Carolina gays still have the right to get married. They can do what Obama (the first gay president according to Newsweek) did, marry a member of the opposite sex.

Equal rights for all, Special rights for none.

edit on 14-5-2012 by Carseller4 because: (no reason given)

Equal rights: heterosexuals are now no longer allowed to marry who they love. They are now forced to marry someone that they don't love and aren't attracted to in the least. If they are currently married to the one they love, that marriage is now considered null and void. Now it's equal to what homosexuals have.

Wrong. gays are not forced to marry ANYONE, and neither are heterosexuals.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by kaylaluv


Equal rights: heterosexuals are now no longer allowed to marry who they love. They are now forced to marry someone that they don't love and aren't attracted to in the least. If they are currently married to the one they love, that marriage is now considered null and void. Now it's equal to what homosexuals have.

Wrong. gays are not forced to marry ANYONE, and neither are heterosexuals.

I think you are missing the point.

Think a bit more "out of the box".

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by Carseller4
Going to be pretty embarrassing for Obama to lose a state where he is holding his convention.

North Carolina gays still have the right to get married. They can do what Obama (the first gay president according to Newsweek) did, marry a member of the opposite sex.

Equal rights for all, Special rights for none.

edit on 14-5-2012 by Carseller4 because: (no reason given)

Equal rights: heterosexuals are now no longer allowed to marry who they love. They are now forced to marry someone that they don't love and aren't attracted to in the least. If they are currently married to the one they love, that marriage is now considered null and void. Now it's equal to what homosexuals have.

Wrong. gays are not forced to marry ANYONE, and neither are heterosexuals.

Yes, you are missing the point entirely. I understand you are against marriage and state-issued marriage licenses. But not everyone is. The gays that want marriage, want what everyone else has - the ability to marry the one they love in the eyes of the law.

Just like some heterosexuals (such as yourself), there are gays who aren't the least bit interested in getting a marriage license. But for those that are (and that's their prerogative), it's not fair that they aren't able to, just because they are disliked by the majority voters - and for no other reason than that.

reply to post by kaylaluv


No, I'm not against marriage, I'm against begging the State to sanction a marriage.

There is a difference.

When you ask for State sanction, you are also asking for State rules. They asked, the State answered.

Originally posted by korathin
Homosexuals are free to move to the EU. We see what is going on in states that try to be tolerant and accommodating. Homosexuals use that little inch and attempt to stamp out hetero sexual culture and social norms.

Are you serious? You feel that threatened by gays- a clear and obvious minority- and you think they're "stamping out" heterosexual culture? Like some sort of fascist gay nazi brigade? What a tiny, frightened, close-minded existence you must live.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
Homosexuality was considered a disorder, but now disagreeing with their lifestyle is labeled a phobia i.e. a disorder.

You might have a point when "homophobia" is officially entered into the DSM as a mental disorder (hint: it won't be.) Until then, you're a weird, paranoid, not-too-bright sort of person who is scared of and feels threatened by nonthreatening things that are just a little different than what you're used to.

Homophobia is just a convenient label, applied to close-minded bigots: a lot like "racism"!

Originally posted by Carseller4
Going to be pretty embarrassing for Obama to lose a state where he is holding his convention.

North Carolina gays still have the right to get married. They can do what Obama (the first gay president according to Newsweek) did, marry a member of the opposite sex.

Equal rights for all, Special rights for none.

edit on 14-5-2012 by Carseller4 because: (no reason given)

Does your brain actually operate like this? Like, you actually think this is a legitimate statement and / or argument?

How about this: before anti-miscegenation laws were repealed, both blacks and whites had equal rights, to marry only members of their own race.

How is gay marriage a "special right?" What in God's name is a "special right?" Did it occur to you that if gay marriage is allowed, then both gays and straights have equal rights to marry members of either sex? Does somebody need to change your mental diaper?

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Domo1

 

I still don't get what the problem is with same sex marriage.

It’s not about two people of the same sex living together, sleeping together, kissing each other, holding hands, getting benefits at work, getting a tax break, etc………

It’s about the 'word' marriage! Marriage, in the bible, is between one man and one woman. Call the DAMN THING A CIVIL UNION and get your benefits!!

We all ask ourselves, "Why are gays hung up on marriage?"

Answer – MOST ARE NOT!! This is another way TPTB divide us. Most Christians disagree with gay marriage simply because you want to call it MARRIAGE!!!

NEWS FLASH!!! Drop the buz word and collect your benefits!! HELLO? Live together!!! Do what you want! Just don't claim the word marriage as if it homosexuality was acceptable to Christians. Drop the WORD!

Maybe the status of "marriage" is more important for homosexuals to acquire than the actual reality or condition of actually being "married?"

If not then stop fighting us on this!! Stop crying about your BS and get the exact same recognition under the LAW with a civil union; I'd support that and I'm a conservative!

One group has to budge on this and it sure as hell won’t be Christians, so take your benefits and run, gay people!! Why the fight??

edit on 8-5-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Did you read it? They outlawed civil unions too. And tell me where in the Bible it says anything about the word "marriage", other that the marriage of the bride of Christ and the Lord? I mean, sure, it talks about various marriages, but where does it say "a marriage is between a man and a woman"? And why is it so important that they NOT have it? So that we heteros can feel superior in some way? Because you know, we HAVE to feel superior about SOMETHING.

Originally posted by neo96
There ya go folks democracy in action and yep sometimes you get caught on the short end of that stick.

Second.

Yes, isn't it a good thing we didn't vote on women's rights, or slavery, or civil rights. Or maybe you'd like that world. I wouldn't.

Originally posted by grayghost
Way to go N.C.

Keeping family values intact. At least we still have values and morals in N.C.

The whole USA should use this as an example and turn back to God.

Lack of values and morals and taking God out of government,local and state issues

is the reason America is suffering now.Take God out of every thing and forget him and he will

forget you.The American people need to wake up and turn back to God before it is to late.

This is my opinion and i will stand buy it. If you do not like it tuff. The Bible says Adam and Eve not

not Adam and Steve.

The Founding Fathers never wanted God in government, I'm a Christian and I even know that.

Yes, I came late to the thread.

Sue me.

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by seabag
Call the DAMN THING A CIVIL UNION and get your benefits!!

We all ask ourselves - Why are gays hung up on marriage?

Wrong. Te wording is “marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State”

Lets go with that!

What was your point???
Sounds good to me!

Of course it sounds good to you, no one is depriving you of your rights, or telling you you're a second rate citizen.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Radiobuzz

 

I'm sorry if it offends any US citizen but it seems to me that it's a huge distortion of democracy when a majority choses if a minority will have basic rights or not.

Basic rights in America were defined in the US Declaration of Independence as Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

How is it a distortion of democracy to deny GAY MARRIAGE which isn’t constitutionally protected and the people of N. Carolina VOTED ON THE ISSUE? The people's voice WAS HEARD!

You just want to complain I think? Understand that you are a small part of the world; the world doesn’t revolve around homosexuals. We’re all created equal…right?

edit on 8-5-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Apparently not. Because if what makes them happy is being able to marry one group just told another group "you can't do that cause you're not good enough". See the difference there? I doubt it, you don't want to.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Domo1

 

If you don't give a crap, what's the beef with gay marriage? You're hung up on a word?

YES!

Read my previous posts in this thread…I think I’ve explained the significance.

Let me get this straight (ha). So you aren't doing anything wrong in God's eyes.

Did I say that?

You are not having having gay sex (I assume...) but you would quash the dreams of men and women in same sex partnerships based on some perceived slight against God?

I’m not quashing any dreams unless a gay guy is dreaming about being with me, in which case he will be deeply disappointed.

Shouldn't God deal with that?

Yes, but the people of N. Carolina voted, which isn’t a religious vote but a constitutional one.

If it isn't hurting anyone, I don't understand why you feel it's your duty to prevent it.

Hello? I said civil union is fine with me! I didn’t vote to ban that in N. Carolina!

Do you want to ban porn, imagination and hands too? Should I not be allowed to spend time with my ladyfriend because we aren't married?

Those are all against Christian belief but not against the law (although the law in most states prohibits sodomy – which prohibits gay sex).

The word sodomy acquired different meanings over time. Under the Common Law, sodomy consisted of anal intercourse. Traditionally courts and statutes referred to it as a "crime against nature" or as copulation "against the order of nature." In the United States, the term eventually encompassed oral sex as well as anal sex. The crime of sodomy was classified as a felony.

link

I hate to break it to you, but if that's the case then there's a whole lot more people in trouble, because gays aren't the only ones engaging in anal and oral sex. And not even all gays engage in anal sex, suprise suprise.

Originally posted by seabag
It’s not about two people of the same sex living together, sleeping together, kissing each other, holding hands, getting benefits at work, getting a tax break, etc………

It’s about the 'word' marriage! Marriage, in the bible, is between one man and one woman. Call the DAMN THING A CIVIL UNION and get your benefits!!

We all ask ourselves, "Why are gays hung up on marriage?"

Answer – MOST ARE NOT!! This is another way TPTB divide us. Most Christians disagree with gay marriage simply because you want to call it MARRIAGE!!!

NEWS FLASH!!! Drop the buz word and collect your benefits!! HELLO? Live together!!! Do what you want! Just don't claim the word marriage as if it homosexuality was acceptable to Christians. Drop the WORD!

Maybe the status of "marriage" is more important for homosexuals to acquire than the actual reality or condition of actually being "married?"

If not then stop fighting us on this!! Stop crying about your BS and get the exact same recognition under the LAW with a civil union; I'd support that and I'm a conservative!

One group has to budge on this and it sure as hell won’t be Christians, so take your benefits and run, gay people!! Why the fight??

edit on 8-5-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

So wait a minute.... Christians get to define what marriage is and isn't?

Doesn't our country recognize Jewish marriages, Islamic marriages, Buddhist marriages, Hindu marriages...? Where are all these things in your bible?

Nobody is forcing the churches to marry same-sex couples. That's up to the churches to decide for themselves.

Another problem with your rather unlettered opinion is that unions etc. do not confer the same benefits as marriage in the eyes of the law.

reply to post by FugitiveSoul


I'm honestly in bewilderment about your accusation about the bible, because thats the book I know, not saying anything about homosexuality is a sin. Leviticus condemns homosexuality fairly clearly, and Romans does too. Those two have passages that do specifically talk about homosexuality. It is not an ignorance of the books, it is intentional denial of the word. Don't worry we all do it, it's impossible not to go against the word.
So, we have proved that bible does talk about homosexuality and I think the Koran does too, however I don't know about Hindu, Buhddism, Taoism, Shinto...etc. But it would be difficult so sit here and claim religious discrimination because to my knowledge no religion specifically allows or calls a person to be gay. And therefore, the passage of the bill hinders one's right to practice said religion.
It's like saying the banning of guns is forcing religious beliefs on people because the bible speaks of love and peace. No one would buy that argument. Yes, some people are against gay marriage because of religion, I am, but others are against gay marriage because they simply don't like the idea of it.
Your argument opens a dangerous door, because a person could religious discrimination about anything because they feel a religious value that isn't theirs is being pushed upon them. This isn't a door that needs to be opened or even cracked open. The people of North Carolina voted against this bill for whatever reason it is democracy in action, and was passed for whatever reason the people voted.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by braindeadconservatives

 

Oh like how liberals stick their hands in my wallet and pay for some strangers birth control pills?

Nope describe yourself.

Bingo!

That truth will stick like fly paper.