North Carolina Voters Pass Same-Sex Marriage Ban

Originally posted by WhoKnows100

2) Homosexuality is a sign of judgement of God upon a nation.. Homosexuality is EVIDENCE of reprobation and judgement.

America is a secular government.

The reason Prop8 could not stand up in court is because they had no legitimate argument to deny Equal Rights.

Religious belief is not a legitimate argument. It is a personal belief that can not be forced on others.

I looked up why states have marriage rights. Its to keep out undesirables. That is pure discrimination and will not stand up to a Federal Marriage Act - - - which will happen.

Originally posted by denynothing

On a side note, you still have yet to provide the evidence for homosexuality being a choice or an inherent behavior, its honestly just a curiosity thing.

I actually posted some links to scientific studies that found distinct differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals in the way the brain reacts to pheromones of the same vs opposite sex. Additionally I provided a link to another condition that could be tied to the homosexual/heterosexual argument, there are people born with what is termed indeterminate gender. You can find my post here:

Research on differences between homosexual and heterosexual brain responses

You stated

I am simply saying what the bible says and how that is my motivation for denying their sin.

And I would like to address that.

Core to the Christian belief system is the acceptance of Jesus as the Lord our God who came to use in human form to offer us salvation, and provide a living example to guide us, and teach us how God would like us to live our lives and fulfill our purpose here.

Holding that belief and reading the bible..the whole bible it follows a path of growth and enlightenment.

The old testament follows man from the biblical beginning,in some ways akin to the path that child and parent follow as the child grows eventually to adulthood. God is at times vengeful, merciless, fearsome and terrifying, and it was in these times that God instructed absolute and total intolerance of homosexual sex, along with many other things, he instructed that people be stoned to death for various failings, and even instructed us to kill non-believers in Deuteronomy 13:6-10

In the new testament God in the form of Jesus guides us down a different path. While his disciples are still bound by the laws and commandments handed down before in their personal lives, the laws of the old testament regarding the judgement of others were handed down by God to form and maintain order in his newly formed Nation of Israel, and with the coming of Jesus this was no longer needed nor desired as part of his new Kingdom. (The first separation of church and state?)

From this point on Jesus instructs us that it is not for us to judge others, in Matthew 7 he refers to the person finding fault in another as a hypocrite, he teaches against condemnation, persecution, and so on. Instead he teaches us to reach out to people, with love, compassion. He does not teach us to avoid sinners, or turn our backs on them. He instructs his followers to follow these teachings and his example, to gently lead those who have not yet accepted him, as he himself lead them, to him and his kingdom.

His instructions to his followers in the New Testament are very clear in regards to their own behavior, their interactions with others including non-believers and sinners, and how they are to share his message amongst others by following his examples.

Based though on the bible as we know it, from a Christian standpoint (New Testament) we know that humans were given free will, that we are not to judge others as we ourselves are not perfect that is only for Christ and his father to judge, and that we were not taught to force others to behave as Christians, whether they believe or not, to shield ourselves from exposure to sin. The bible in fact teaches quite the opposite.

Mark 2:15 - 17
15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.

16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Christians were not instructed to deny or restrict a non-believer's ability to sin, they were instructed not to commit those sins themselves. The Lord knows we humans are not perfect, that even the best will falter and stumble somewhere along the way, thus we are given a life time to find our way to Christ. He expects his followers to reach out and help guide those who have not found their way to him yet with kindness, love and compassion, but most importantly while he wants all of his children to be able to accept his gift of salvation, he wants them to come to accept him willingly, that their faith be genuine and pure.

Jesus knew that while one can force another's behavior, one cannot force another's feelings or beliefs to conform to ones will, that in fact the use of force is more likely to raise resistance than acceptance.

Denying them the ability to commit what to them is natural, but your faith deems a sin, will not save them if it pushes them farther from HIM.

Originally posted by Ookie
I have read both sides of this issue since before the vote and still cannot understand why people think this is an equal rights issue. I can't grasp it. They have the same rights as anyone else Any man can marry any woman he wants. That is equal. What gays want is special rights. They want to be able to do something new that no one is allowed to do right now. That is special rights, not equality.

I voted for Amendment 1 because I believe words mean things. You can't go changing words to mean something other than what they mean. That muddies the language and leads to the destruction of the ability to communicate.

I would support a union with all the rights married people have if it was given a new word to describe it. You just can't call it a marriage because that is strictly between one man and one woman.

You are an idiot.

Before we repealed anti-miscegenation laws, both races had equal rights: to marry someone of their own race. People who wanted mixed-race marriages, then, by your logic, wanted "special rights."

Your ignorance sickens me.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
2) Homosexuality is a sign of judgement of God upon a nation.. Homosexuality is EVIDENCE of reprobation and judgement. Because of sins, God gives people up to vile affections of sexual immorality which includes incest, homosexual relations, beastiality, porn addiction, child rape etc. Again, its judgement and evidence of reprobation. It is also the ultimate in God's turning away from a people. Homosexuality is a sign that the Lords wrath and punishment is coming, soon. Secular history proves this - the evidence for sexual immorality was one of the last stages of every great civilisation that disappeared into the annals of history.

Shouldn't you be standing on a street corner with a sandwich board and megaphone, or perhaps banging two rocks together in a cave somewhere?

Originally posted by wirehead

Your ignorance sickens me.

Ya know what? It sickens me too.

And "he" tries so hard to wrap it in - - - I'm not even sure.

reply to post by Ookie

I would support a union with all the rights married people have if it was given a new word to describe it. You just can't call it a marriage because that is strictly between one man and one woman.

Yet another uninformed person who thinks they know what they are talking about. You are confusing the civil concept of Marriage, and the Religious concept of "Holy Matrimony"

Thank God Canada does not let closed minded bigots decide what basic human rights other people get. Canada accepted political refugees during Vietnam, maybe we should do the same for the modern day American political refugees, gay couples that want to get married.

reply to post by denynothing

Yes those people are wrong, not because they have independent thought but because they are putting their personal opinions over what Lord's word.

Very little of the Holy Bible is actually the "Lord's Word", most of it is opinions of his followers, passed down for a few generations by word of mouth, then written down in ancient languages, then messed up in translations, with whole sections left out for convenience. The Bible is a collection of stories, allegories to live by, not "God's Word" Get a red letter edition, and you will see that very little of the bible is actually "God's word"

reply to post by WhoKnows100

2) Homosexuality is a sign of judgement of God upon a nation.. Homosexuality is EVIDENCE of reprobation and judgement. Because of sins, God gives people up to vile affections of sexual immorality which includes incest, homosexual relations, beastiality, porn addiction, child rape etc. Again, its judgement and evidence of reprobation. It is also the ultimate in God's turning away from a people. Homosexuality is a sign that the Lords wrath and punishment is coming, soon. Secular history proves this - the evidence for sexual immorality was one of the last stages of every great civilisation that disappeared into the annals of history.

Funny, Most civilizations also came crashing down at the same time as rampant corruption, and over population that the "area" could not handle, but of course, they could not possibly be the cause. Close minded people tend to miss these concepts as their pastors and favorite TV evangelists tend to not tell them to think this way, or at all.

reply to post by Pixiefyre

From this point on Jesus instructs us that it is not for us to judge others, in Matthew 7 he refers to the person finding fault in another as a hypocrite, he teaches against condemnation, persecution, and so on. Instead he teaches us to reach out to people, with love, compassion. He does not teach us to avoid sinners, or turn our backs on them. He instructs his followers to follow these teachings and his example, to gently lead those who have not yet accepted him, as he himself lead them, to him and his kingdom.

His instructions to his followers in the New Testament are very clear in regards to their own behavior, their interactions with others including non-believers and sinners, and how they are to share his message amongst others by following his examples.

Based though on the bible as we know it, from a Christian standpoint (New Testament) we know that humans were given free will, that we are not to judge others as we ourselves are not perfect that is only for Christ and his father to judge, and that we were not taught to force others to behave as Christians, whether they believe or not, to shield ourselves from exposure to sin. The bible in fact teaches quite the opposite.

Thank you, you have pointed out the differences between those that are Christian because they try their best to follow Christ's teachings, and those that are "christians" only because that is what they call themselves, and no other reason.

Too many I see posting here, unfortunately, fall into the latter category.

reply to post by wirehead


The anti miscegenation laws were constitutional. I do not understand why they were repealed. They made sense and were good for people. Ask the mulattoes how much they enjoy being like that. They don't and making them is evil and wrong. I know, I made one. And he would much rather be one race instead of two. Black people are extremely racist against half breeds. He has had an awful life. Mostly because his dad is white and his mom is black. I would never have had sex with her had I known she would get pregnant.

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reply to post by Ookie


Ah, so you're against mixed-race marriages and you're against same-sex marriages. Good to know.

By the way, the fact that this poor kid was on the receiving end of racial hatred is not the fault of mixed-race marriages- it is the fault of the poor, ignorant fools who still perpetuate racism. It's kind of mind boggling to me that you can't see that, and place blame where it is properly due.

However, you're essentially denying that your child has any worth as a person and are saying it'd be better if he wasn't born. I think this speaks volumes about the level of humanity you possess.

Originally posted by RyanFromCan

Funny, Most civilizations also came crashing down at the same time as rampant corruption, and over population that the "area" could not handle, but of course, they could not possibly be the cause. Close minded people tend to miss these concepts as their pastors and favorite TV evangelists tend to not tell them to think this way, or at all.

Polical analysis is too haaaaaaard ! Can't we just blame it all on the gays?