Why China Will Collapse...

The Chinese WERE great at controlling the media and how their country was percieved. It seems with the case of Cheng Guangcheng they are loosing the ability to control the script. With people being less afraid of being sent to jail, beaten or killed, and the rise of social media where anyone with a cell phone camera can report an abuse, China is doomed if it continues on its current path...




the-diplomat.com...

China is rising, not failing.

Second.

You act as though anyone gives a damn over there about it. You have to remember that the current generation wasn't indoctrinated with perceived "rights" and so called "freedoms" like many western nations. It is still very much quid pro quo. Anything you see coming out of China that resembles western "freedoms" is not void of being influenced by western thought.

reply to post by travis911


America monitors social media. The CIA is all up in facebook,twitter,youtube,google,sites like ATS....... America also locks up political dissident's like Manning for example.

If anyone is doomed its America not China though. America has unpayable National Debt. America has a weak dollar. America has a poor Credit Rating. America has no solution's. Its all good for China.

Originally posted by travis911
The Chinese WERE great at controlling the media and how their country was percieved. It seems with the case of Cheng Guangcheng they are loosing the ability to control the script. With people being less afraid of being sent to jail, beaten or killed, and the rise of social media where anyone with a cell phone camera can report an abuse, China is doomed if it continues on its current path...

The "Chinese" were great at controlling the media and how their country was perceived ...

You must be daft? brain washed? deluded?

First of all, how YOU perceive China has nothing to do with China ... but everything to do with YOUR media. And, even though China "blocks" certain information on the Internet, they do it openly and everyone knows they do it. Your "believe" your own media tells you the truth ... and despite "continuous" blocks, where you are told "forums" may DAMAGE your computer, you're still sitting on your deluted little chair. Now, how would this "forum" discussion hurt your computer? Heh? taken your meds yet? It is about as plain and simple censorship, as anything can be.

And then you have this new "bomb" threat in the US ... and "oh my god", how convenient. It almost sounds like Usama BIn Ladin just came in to save the US administration, at the last moment. It's Iraq, all over again ... when all else fails, hit the "In Case of Emergency" button ... labelled "TERRORIST". They were losing all over, on this "hardly existant" terrorist threat. But then, an actual terrorist actually showed up with a bomb at an airport ... just in time to save the government, from a total disaster.

And if that doesn't prove, that terrorists are on the governments payroll ... nothing does.

Brainwashing ... BE Afraid, BE VERY Afraid ... ask your government to protect you ... just like you'd ask your local HELLS ANGELS to protect you.

Originally posted by bjarneorn

ask your government to protect you ... just like you'd ask your local HELLS ANGELS to protect you.

edit on 8/5/2012 by bjarneorn because: (no reason given)

Good point but not quite........I trust the H.A. more.

Sorry Uncle Sam, but it's been my experience that Sonny's boys are a better class of people. At least you KNOW where they're coming from. Kinda like China now that I think about it.



Just for the record here........I'm on neither side. It's all about about me, my daughter and love at this point. Everyone else can go fight each other.

reply to post by Taupin Desciple

Sorry Uncle Sam, but it's been my experience that Sonny's boys are a better class of people. At least you KNOW where they're coming from. Kinda like China now that I think about it.

Actually, that's just it. My experience is that China is a far more honest place because people will straight up tell you that you are getting run over like a door mat.

There is something comforting about that, in my opinion.

reply to post by travis911


That's not gonna doom china.

What will doom china will be the situation where there aren't enough women.
With most families only having boys. How long do you think before china has a social revolution?

www.msnbc.msn.com...

There's a huge imbalance that's only going to get worse.

China will collapse because they are in their own Bubble,similar to the Japanese in the 1980's.

reply to post by grey580

What will doom china will be the situation where there aren't enough women.

That wasn't the smartest move. Still trying to figure out what the dads were thinking in that case. Although, great place to promote homosexual and transgender lifestyles now...

Here is a video I saw from Russia Today (Russian News) entitled "World to be dominated by China-US connection".



In it China is still described as still a mystery.

China has some big problems ahead. First they make money by using very low wage labor to sell stuff to the West. The problem becomes as China gains wealth people want more than slave labor wages. So Chine like Japan will have to find a way to transition to modern economy along the lines of the West. The second problem is people in China do think they a gaining freedoms and have every right to them. A place like ATS would never be allowed and eveybody here would be in jail. They just had people arrested for spreading a rumor about a coup over the web. As China becomes more and more global the old regime and the will of the people are going to have to solved with a compromise of some sort. China also had problems with pollution, population, and resources they will also have to solve. Maybe they will make it all work, maybe they will not but, that in no way means they are going to collapse.

Um... If China falls, I kind of think it will have something to do with the old-school Chinese custom of always wanting a boy child rather than a girl, and the fact that there are more than 50% more boys than girls in their country, along with the one-child policy making their population problem even more hard to fix.

China rises. They controlled the world's economy for about 5000 years, and only gave way to the Western World for about the last 500.

Even up to the late 1800's, all the best stuff was innovated by the Chinese, even if they didn't control the economy after the rise of the Spanish empire. Even during Roman, Greek, Persian, Ottoman, and many other empires, the Chinese were way ahead of the curve.

First the Spanish Empire (collapsed), then the British Empire (collapsed), currently the American Empire controlling the world economy (collapse possibly imminent).

China will soon regain their rightful place at the head of the table.

reply to post by Sinny


I would disagree, it's apeing capitalism and they'll reap their own whirlwind.
Things were better before the lima declaration and us opening up our markets to their cheap junk.

Bbunnies,
Where are you pulling the 'They (China) controlled the world's economy for 5,000 years...' from???
Even in pre-history it was likely to of been from the Indo-Sumerian areas that ruled the roost in the west...

Here's the reason WHY China will collapse. If you listen to this gentleman,he will tell you exactly why .

The oil economic war against the Soviet Union worked so well in the 1980s, that this strategy is now being employed against "our other big geopolitical enemy," China, which currently imports more oil than the US, and is much less able to pay for it, he outlined. The thinking in Washington is, it's going to slow things down for China, and could put a crack in their political system, he continued. Other aspects of the economic war the US is waging with China are on the front page of the paper almost every day-- with fights over trade actions, interest rates, and currency levels, he noted.

The whole Chinese business model is based on predatory trade practices, and that's why the world is ganging up on them, Norman said, adding that China is facing large amounts of unemployment and social unrest, and their banks are sitting on huge assets of non-performing loans. Norman estimated that the actual cost of oil is between $10- $20 a barrel, but when US citizens shell out $4 a gallon at the pump, it's collateral damage or the price we pay to engage in an economic rather than physical war with China.

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Um... If China falls, I kind of think it will have something to do with the old-school Chinese custom of always wanting a boy child rather than a girl, and the fact that there are more than 50% more boys than girls in their country, along with the one-child policy making their population problem even more hard to fix.

Please post the source for your ridiculous statement about the sexes in China? I'd like to see the:

and the fact that there are more than 50% more boys than girls in their country,

Here are some numbers for you.

The human sex ratio is of particular interest to anthropologists and demographers. In humans the secondary sex ratio is commonly assumed to be 105 boys to 100 girls (which sometimes is shortened to "a ratio of 105"). In human societies, however, sex ratios at birth may be considerably skewed by factors such as the age of mother at birth[2], and by sex-selective abortion and infanticide. The CIA estimates that the current world wide sex ratio at birth is 107 boys to 100 girls.[3] In 2010, the global sex ratio was 986 females per 1,000 males and trended to reduce to 984 in 2011.

en.wikipedia.org...

You might want to get your Facts Correct,,, In-reference to the One Child Policy.

In 1979, three years after Mao’s death, a one-child policy was introduced to control China’s burgeoning population and reduce the strain on scarce resources. . According to the policy as it was most commonly enforced, a couple was allowed to have one child. If that child turned out be a girl, they were allowed to have a second child. After the second child, they were not allowed to have any more children. In some places though couples were only allowed to have one child regardless of whether it is a boy or a girl. This policy is still in effect today. It is unusual for a family to have two sons.

That's correct every one They could have a second child if the first child was a girl, Mainly this was for the Farmers to assure there was a male child to help work the land.


You'll notice this is a Female Child.

Posters promoting China's one-child policy can be seen all over China. One, with the slogan "China Needs Family Planning" shows a Communist official praising the proud parents of one baby girl. Another one, with the slogan "Late Marriage and Childbirth Are Worthy," shows an old gray-haired woman with a newborn baby. Another reads: “Have Fewer, Better Children to Create Prosperity for the Next Generation.”

Couples are supposed to get a permit before they even conceive a child. To be eligible couples must have a marriage certificates and have their residency permits in order. Women must be at least 20 and men 24.

In 1970 the average woman in China had almost six (5.8) children, now she has about two. The most dramatic changes took place between 1970 and 1980 when the birthrate dropped from 44 per 1000 to 18 per 1,000. Demographers have stated that the ideal birthrate rate for China is 16.7 per 1,000, or 1.7 children per family.

factsanddetails.com...

Is China going to Fold in on itself and collapse? No!
There is a Larger and Growing Middle Class in China like never before. H*LL, They have Hooters in China
The general public can buy a car and not have to issued their living quarters by the Local Government, They can actually buy a modest home.
Sure pay is much lower than here in America but then again, it is much cheaper to live in China.
You could live comfortably in China on $500.00 a month that's about 3000.00 Yuan. More than average middle class in China.
China Fail and Collapse,,, Not in your wildest dreams. Not as long as they continue to plan for the future and that has always been part of China's way of thinking.

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Here's the reason WHY China will collapse. If you listen to this gentleman,he will tell you exactly why .

Wrong,,, You really shouldn't get your world facts from C2C, as much as I like the program ( Much Better With Art In-Charge ) People like this Norman goes on there because He Can!

The oil economic war against the Soviet Union worked so well in the 1980s, that this strategy is now being employed against "our other big geopolitical enemy," China, which currently imports more oil than the US, and is much less able to pay for it, he outlined.

Such Bull S#it.

BEIJING — A $1 trillion oil-fueled trade windfall could not be better timed to help companies move into higher-value products and rebalance the economy in China, the world’s biggest exporter.

Fast-growing countries producing oil and other commodities are taking advantage of the windfall from the recent gains in prices for those commodities, buying about half of the $2 trillion worth of goods sold by China overseas.

YEA, Chinas going Broke!

The whole Chinese business model is based on predatory trade practices, and that's why the world is ganging up on them, Norman said, adding that China is facing large amounts of unemployment and social unrest, and their banks are sitting on huge assets of non-performing loans.

Analysts at the consulting firm GK Dragonomics calculate that the share of domestic value added in processed exports is 30 to 50 percent, while the share is 70 to 90 percent for products with locally made components.

Add together the effect of increasing the amount of domestic value added to exported goods and the new destinations to which China is shipping them, and that could underpin export growth, jobs and wealth creation for another decade.

You read this part I hope: and that could underpin export growth, jobs and wealth creation for another decade

In fact, building up the customer base in oil-exporting countries ensures that China will get back a huge amount of the money it spends every year on fuel. China’s oil bill last year was about $200 billion.

www.nytimes.com...

Originally posted by guohua

Wrong,,, You really shouldn't get your world facts from C2C, as much as I like the program ( Much Better With Art In-Charge ) People like this Norman goes on there because He Can!

Actually,I bought the book,BEFORE listening to him on C2C. Second,if you do not believe The US Government manipulates energy markets to affect Geo-political goals,you clearly are not thinking outside the box,or have NOT followed history. I suggest READING the book. Having Wars not to control the oil,but to control who gets the oil............. Do some digging,you will be surprised.


From the article you posted.......

Still, while analysts at UBS anticipate a $1 trillion lift for global trade from a 14 percent gain in the price of benchmark Brent crude oil from an August 2011 trough, the share that Beijing can expect is unlikely to cause a jump in economic growth.

Prices have also fallen, though the estimates vary widely. Official statistics show a drop of only a few percentage points in major cities, but experts have heard developers offering discounts of up to 40%.

When officials didn't budge, developers finally had to concede. Last summer, they started liquidating their inventories and slashing prices. That prompted recent homebuyers to protest and even riot in Shanghai, Chovanec said. Sales collapsed, dropping close to 20% in the first quarter compared to the year prior, said Nicholas Lardy, senior fellow at the Peter G. Peterson Institute. And there is virtually no growth in housing starts these days.

Banks could also be in trouble because much of their collateral is real estate. And local governments are suffering because they rely on land sales to repay debt and cover up to 40% of their operating budgets. The Chinese economy, however, may feel more of the sting as the housing market slows. Around 10% of economic growth in China last year was directly related to real estate development, so it will be hard for the country to keep up its blistering pace if housing investment cools. By comparison, residential real estate construction in the United States peaked at 6.1% of the economy in 2005.

Will China's real estate bubble burst?